Originally Posted by Guest

You people are fools if you think that wearing an American flag pin on your clothing or flag labels on your underwear, or waving flags on your golf cart somehow makes you more patriotic. Patriotism is not about the symbols it's about the actions, specifically devotion to one's homeland.

Dear Guest: I believe its both. Many of us display the American Flag to symbolize our patriotism Note the number of flags displayed on 4th of July, Labor Day, Flag Day, etc

Which brings me to the Confederate Flag and people's right . Many Americans are not aware that the guys who fought on the southern side during the civil War were legally consider American Veterans and were entitled to VA benefits, etc.

But along comes those meely mouthed trigger warning micro aggressive types intent on re-writing history to their liking

I display my flag proudly because I am grateful and proud to be an American

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Originally Posted by Guest

"Making a general comment that liberals are generally pacifists and cowards is what I say"

That statement is total nonsense. The wars from Vietnam on less than 2% of the nations population served in the Armed Services. Due to the draft, the majority of the people that fought the Vietnam war were blacks, and whites that didn't go to college. How many blacks are conservative Republicans?

Less than 18% now in the Senate, and House served in the Armed Services. How many members on Senate, and House wear the American flag on their chests? It is almost a dress requirement. How many of our representatives would send their children into battle? It is perfectly fine to send someone else child into harms way. The term for this is chicken hawks.

Where did you get the idea that Hillary is totally disregards national security? She is not a Rand Paul. She is described as a hawk. I don't like Hillary, but sticking this nonsense on her is beyond stupid.

When the hell are you thick headed Republicans going to get it through your skull that the American public is tired of war? Giving Americans what they wanted means Obama hates this country only in the world of far right wing nuts does this take hold. "W" signed an agreement to leave Iraq. Obama lived up to that agreement. If he didn't, the US signature on any agreement is worthless.

Obama, and Hillary have their faults, but hating the US isn't one of them. You want to talking about hating Americans let's talk about cutting social programs that help the poor, or getting rid of Obamacare, that cancels health insurance for millions of Americans. If all you want to gut social programs, then take your American flag and shove it up your ass.

Dear Guest:

Your comments fit the progressive profile in that 1) progressive ignore the limits of nature. No one likes war but unfortunately some do and when they initiate a nation has to respond. 2) progressives over reach with their entitlement programs and civil rights issue that end up trampling on everyone civil rights 3) life is unfair and anything and everything you attempt a) won't change it b) ends up doing m ore harm 4) far too many progressives are aficionadoes of political delusion and hence the reason Obama, Reid, Pelosi Hillary & Bill Clinton and a socialist like Bernie Sanders thrive

I wish it were not so but there is a glimmer of hope because what I am reading/hearing now is that many Democrats will not vote Democrat in 2016

Finally I believe based on your posts that you are a caring American and hence i respect our ideological differences

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Originally Posted by Guest

This has nothing to do with ""eminent domain" get your facts straight when you post. Your post shows you are un-American, your views are fascist.

Dear Guest: You use derogatory language when you post which tells me that you are an angry progressive and that you are an angry progressive suffering from political delusions. Responding in such a manner clearly indicates you do not belong on this forum. If you are a troll the same still applies

Do you know who the Hammonds are? What the Bureau of Land Management is doing in those western states is interfering with their ability to ranch( land use) etc it has everything to do with eminent domain.

So 1) tell me what this dispute is all about? 2) explain to me why you refer to me as un-American? 3) why I am a fascist?

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I am done with this thread.

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First off, I have no problem with anyone that wishes to proudly display the American flag in an attempt to show their patriotism. In my opinion, that is better than the ones that burn the flag or spit at us when we came back from Vietnam. That said, I have more respect for those that quietly served their country, not feeling the necessity to "prove" to anyone that they are patriotic. My wife wants me to put up the flag for every occasion, and I do. But, I served in Vietnam, then returned to service when the Persian Gulf heated up and served in Desert Storm. Then I was in Iraq in 2003 for Iraqi Freedom. NO, I do not need recognition. I just wanted to give my basis for commenting on the patriotism debate. The point is that the poster that said "patriotism is not about symbols but about actions and devotion" (paraphrased) has a very good idea about what it's all about. I am very happy to see folks proudly display their American flag. It's much, much better than what we dealt with in the late sixties when we returned home to a scornful populace. But, on the other hand don't think that waving a flag is a substitute for serving and sacrificing for your country. They are two entirely separate things. Serving your country is also willingly sacrificing for your country. You have heard the joke about the conversation between a pig and the chicken, right? The chicken points to billboard showing advertising an egg and bacon breakfast and says, "look at what I contribute to the breakfast." upon which the pig points to the bacon and says "you are involved but I am totally committed." I do NOT say this in order to disparage those that wish to contribute to patriotism. I am only saying that they should not beat their chest and brag about how brave they are for displaying the flag, when we have others on here that have willingly lost or given up part of their souls for their country to give them that right or privilege. It's not a debate as to who is the most patriotic, it's about sharing the liberty and freedom together. It's about feeling good and proud to be an American. It's about knowing that we are the best example of Freedom in the World.

I wasn't going to enter the patriotism, flag fray but some recent posts have tipped me to do so.

Like so many other subjects posted on this forum each to his own interpretation and then re-stating what they think they heard or read between the lines or just re-manufacture to suit their purpose....that is what I observe in this discussion.

There just seems to be a need for one upmanship on far too many discussions.
There needs to be more respect for another's position, opinion, feelings, observations, likes, dislikes, etc without having to put down all if they happen to differ from one or another.

All that is needed is the respect of the others rights to make their statement of how the see or want to see life.

To me the school yard style bantoring, childish bickering, name calling, aggrivating, disrespectful of others discourse is exercising free speech without a doubt. But has devolved to total lack of respect with repetitive disparaging of others views.

To try to scale the degree of patriotism based only on who served or didn't or those who fly the flag or don't or brag out loud or don't adds no value what so ever to the real subject of value.......we are all Americans.....we are all different......but no less Americans.....let's continue to hope and pray we remain the majority........

So how about cutting the BS of mine is bigger than yours and I am a better American than you and stand up as a group as we do when we are out together face to face in public and not anonymously riding the keyboard.

There will come a time in our future when the ONLY important American are the remaining ones to your left or to your right. Survival will sort us out very quickly and diminish the petty BS differences!

There is my two cents on the issue.....I have my body armor on!

Originally Posted by Guest

Dear Guest: I believe its both. Many of us display the American Flag to symbolize our patriotism Note the number of flags displayed on 4th of July, Labor Day, Flag Day, etc

Which brings me to the Confederate Flag and people's right . Many Americans are not aware that the guys who fought on the southern side during the civil War were legally consider American Veterans and were entitled to VA benefits, etc.

But along comes those meely mouthed trigger warning micro aggressive types intent on re-writing history to their liking

I display my flag proudly because I am grateful and proud to be an American

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When you use "But along comes those meely mouthed trigger warning micro aggressive types intent on re-writing history to their liking" it shows your ignorance. Try to post in a respectful way.

Originally Posted by Guest

I am done with this thread.

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Of course I hit a nerve. didn't I?

Originally Posted by Guest

Of course I hit a nerve. didn't I?

Originally Posted by Guest

I volunteer at the Cornerstone Hospice. It is not a joking matter.

The rantings are very often caused bu dementia and alcoholism.

It is not a joking matter. Maybe you should have fired the first shot. You're the one that suggested that I was in hospice care due to dementia, and alcoholism.

For the record, I haven't had a mixed drink, since the late 70's. I bought a twelve pack of beer, and it lasted in two years.

Originally Posted by Guest

I wasn't going to enter the patriotism, flag fray but some recent posts have tipped me to do so.

Like so many other subjects posted on this forum each to his own interpretation and then re-stating what they think they heard or read between the lines or just re-manufacture to suit their purpose....that is what I observe in this discussion.

There just seems to be a need for one upmanship on far too many discussions.
There needs to be more respect for another's position, opinion, feelings, observations, likes, dislikes, etc without having to put down all if they happen to differ from one or another.

All that is needed is the respect of the others rights to make their statement of how the see or want to see life.

To me the school yard style bantoring, childish bickering, name calling, aggrivating, disrespectful of others discourse is exercising free speech without a doubt. But has devolved to total lack of respect with repetitive disparaging of others views.

To try to scale the degree of patriotism based only on who served or didn't or those who fly the flag or don't or brag out loud or don't adds no value what so ever to the real subject of value.......we are all Americans.....we are all different......but no less Americans.....let's continue to hope and pray we remain the majority........

So how about cutting the BS of mine is bigger than yours and I am a better American than you and stand up as a group as we do when we are out together face to face in public and not anonymously riding the keyboard.

There will come a time in our future when the ONLY important American are the remaining ones to your left or to your right. Survival will sort us out very quickly and diminish the petty BS differences!

There is my two cents on the issue.....I have my body armor on!

You don't need any body armor. What you have written in this post is right on target. The problem is it will go in one ear and right out the other.

The problem will go away until people like me leave. I am a moderate Independent, but in the eyes of people here I am a left wing liberal. The far right has taken over the Republican party, and this board. Compromise is a swear word. Even listening to someone else that doesn't agree with you is a sign of weakness.

The far right seems to have a bigger problem with the center/right members of their party than they do with Democrats. The entire political system now sucks. That anger is reflected here, and will not go away with rational thought.

Originally Posted by Guest

Dear Guest:

Your comments fit the progressive profile in that 1) progressive ignore the limits of nature. No one likes war but unfortunately some do and when they initiate a nation has to respond. 2) progressives over reach with their entitlement programs and civil rights issue that end up trampling on everyone civil rights 3) life is unfair and anything and everything you attempt a) won't change it b) ends up doing m ore harm 4) far too many progressives are aficionadoes of political delusion and hence the reason Obama, Reid, Pelosi Hillary & Bill Clinton and a socialist like Bernie Sanders thrive

I wish it were not so but there is a glimmer of hope because what I am reading/hearing now is that many Democrats will not vote Democrat in 2016

Finally I believe based on your posts that you are a caring American and hence i respect our ideological differences

Personal Best Regards:

Don't leave this thread just yet. I do appreciate your post. This the first time someone here showed me any respect for any of my views. This was shock, and awe in its finest sense.

Let's talk about war, and destroying ISIS. There has been plenty of talk about America leading from behind in addressing ISIS in Syria, and Iraq. Who is at the forefront in attacking ISIS Russia, and Iran? The only way countries are going to follow us is if we put 100,000 - 200,000 ground troops in there. You are not going defeat ISIS from the air. What lead are we suppose to take, when countries in that area won't follow unless we are there in great numbers? Isn't what most of the Republicans candidates are suggesting, we are already doing?

Where is the overreach in the social programs with Obamacare being the exception? We have gone away from welfare moms, since the 80's. The great recession caused the large increase in the food stamp program. Was the food stamp program changed under Obama? The child tax credit was initiated by "W". I could be wrong here. The 99 week unemployment program was made necessary by the depth of the great recession, and unemployment has gone back to the 52(?) weeks.

One of the Republican suggestions for the food stamp program is to give the money to each state, and each state will administer the program. Given what happened with Obamacare, no one in their right mind would let that happen.

As far as civil rights, the blacks got a black president. Rightly or wrongly, they expected a lot from him. There is no way that he could satisfy them. These groups like Black Lives Matter don't want to become equal. They want to become more equal. They should be ignored.

Bill Clinton's presidency wasn't all that bad. He did balance the budget. The Democrats are running away from him in the same way Republicans are running away from Reagan. As far as Hillary is concerned, she is running on her husbands name. If it wasn't for him, nobody would know who she is.

Reid, and Pelosi exist as leaders of their branches of government due to their how long they have been in Washington. Reid will be gone soon, and the House will be controlled by the Republicans until the next census, and maybe a changed in the manner in each district is drawn up. Gerrymandering has to stop, or at least curtailed.

Originally Posted by Guest

You don't need any body armor. What you have written in this post is right on target. The problem is it will go in one ear and right out the other.

The problem will go away until people like me leave. I am a moderate Independent, but in the eyes of people here I am a left wing liberal. The far right has taken over the Republican party, and this board. Compromise is a swear word. Even listening to someone else that doesn't agree with you is a sign of weakness.

The far right seems to have a bigger problem with the center/right members of their party than they do with Democrats. The entire political system now sucks. That anger is reflected here, and will not go away with rational thought.

The problem does not exist in the "far right" on here. The problem is the supposed moderates saying they are conservative, when in reality they are just RINOs. The so-called Independents are just liberals that are trying to camouflage the fact that they are left. Most Republicans today are not "far right" but have just had enough of the left wing bullying attempt, where liberals accuse conservatives of being at war with women, war against the poor, in the rich's pocket, racists, gay bigots and religious fanatics. When the reality of it is that they are just plain ole Christian conservatives maintaining the same old morality they have always had, but had up until now, keep their mouths shut. Just because liberals have been running roughshod all over the constitution in the past decade or so, does not mean that anyone that opposes them is a far right radical. But, make believe you are average and normal all you want, and watch America go European. And I say European as a slur intentionally. It is you liberals and so-called moderates that have changed the norm with the media tool. We conservatives have remained stable and patriotic, while you have made a big to do about regressing to European socialism and calling it being progressive. It is you that have changed American morality by insisting that the Bible is fiction and that God is a myth. It is you liberals that have tried to convince our children that being homosexual is normal, that abortions are not sinful, that drugs should be legalized, and that vulgarity is common place. Don't blame America's downfall on the conservatives.
If my opinion is deemed evil to you, then I wonder what you base your opinion on. It certainly isn't anything American.

The Constitution allows for protesting! Freedom of speech! Have they harmed anyone? Killed anyone? Blown up anyone? That answer is NO! They're not on Wall Street impeding traffic etc. So, what's your REAL complaint? An Informed Conservative.

Originally Posted by Guest

The Constitution allows for protesting! Freedom of speech! Have they harmed anyone? Killed anyone? Blown up anyone? That answer is NO! They're not on Wall Street impeding traffic etc. So, what's your REAL complaint? An Informed Conservative.

They don't have a clue, so that's why it will take them a very long time to come up with a proper answer....diversion. Perhaps they will remind us of something off the wall that Bush said, or that Billy Graham said. But, it won't be related to the subject, I guarantee.