Let me make myself clear. The Democrats in Congress during the last eight years are definitely not holier than thou. They may not have been the majority party for much of the last eight years, but they were quietly complicit in letting happen what has happened. When history examines what happened to the governance of the United States during the first decade of this century, the vast majority of all members of Congress will be recorded as presiding over maybe the most damaging period of governance in our country's history.

Kahuna, or anyone who knows

Sticking with the thread topic....I am hearing two things this morning, and not sure of the veracity of either but would love to have some either credible link that it is true or not...

1. Sen Reid ASKED THAT Sen McCain come back on Wednesday then reversed his field and spent the last few days attacking him for coming back. Wondering if true how much Sen Obama had to do with that !

2. Pelosi wants unaminity in whatever decision FOR POLITICAL REASONS.. she feels that passing something without the backing of the Republicans would be not be good politically for the Democrats !

Again, just read stuff and wondering if anyone had heard the same things ! I thinkthey are telling if true

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

...The Democrats in Congress during the last eight years are definitely not holier than thou...

Neither are the Republicans. However, what we all should be ashamed of is that SO MANY of these illustrious two-year-per-term leaders have spent well over 20 years in Congress. They did not become dumb recently, nor incompetent recently, nor self-serving recently, nor hawk I-will-change-things recently.

They got us into this mess because we let them by re-electing them in spite of themselves. I would love to totally blame Congress, but if we are dumb enough to send them back again-and-again as our spokespersons, in spite of their performance, then we get what we deserve - laws and oversight by the incompetent on behalf of us fools.

This year, anyone on my ballot who has had more than two terms in office will not get my vote, no matter what party they belong to. A clean slate is the ONLY way there will be any substantive change, because Congress is the only place where things can be changed.

They call the President and staff an administration because they administer. Administering is running what you got with what you get. Administrators don't have change authority. So, regardless of slogans by either campaign, if you want change, then replace the congresspersons as they control the lawmaking, money and oversight.

Stevez for President

Originally Posted by Bucco

KAHUANA...I am surprised and dissapointed by your blatant disregard for facts in your original post. Sen McCain has welcomed and asked for IMMEDIATELY upon Sen Obama receiving the nomination that there be town hall meetings where citizens could ask questions of each of them and not the stupid structured stuff we usually get. Sen Obama did not want that.

I do not find fault with supporting one candidate or another but to even suggest what you said in the opening is reckless and just flat not true !

What is everyone so fixed on these town hall meetings? McCain is an opportunist! He originally wanted these meetings when he couldn't get enough people to his campaign stops. Senator Obama refused and I don't blame him a bit. Why should McCain ride into big crowds on Obama's coattails? So then McCain trots out Palin to gather a crowd and that worked for about two weeks. Now that she's shown herself for what she really is, the people are dwindling again. If they gather, it's for no more than a P.T. Barnum side show attraction. Will you please start thinking! This country is going right down the tubes if McCain's elected.

Mahmūd Ahmadinejād stated at the UN that the American Empire is crumbling. Guess what! It is! And until many of you face it, we can't fix it!
McCain will only lead us into Iran. Guaranteed.

Originally Posted by chelsea24

What is everyone so fixed on these town hall meetings? McCain is an opportunist! He originally wanted these meetings when he couldn't get enough people to his campaign stops. Senator Obama refused and I don't blame him a bit. Why should McCain ride into big crowds on Obama's coattails? So then McCain trots out Palin to gather a crowd and that worked for about two weeks. Now that she's shown herself for what she really is, the people are dwindling again. If they gather, it's for no more than a P.T. Barnum side show attraction. Will you please start thinking! This country is going right down the tubes if McCain's elected.

Mahmūd Ahmadinejād stated at the UN that the American Empire is crumbling. Guess what! It is! And until many of you face it, we can't fix it!
McCain will only lead us into Iran. Guaranteed.

First of all, I could not DISagree with you more on the debate/forum issue. How you KNOW what Sen McCain thought is powerful stuff. Why would anyone want a structured debate with reporters who are looking for a story instead of citizens asking questions about what they feel is important (with a backdrop of reporters also)....WHY ?

I TOTALLY AGREE with you on the American Empire crumbling...we are weak totally and, here, TO ME, is what this election is about. Do we survive with SOCIALISM which has ALWAYS failed ? USSR crumbled because of socialism and it appears it will happen here they way we are going. Russia is coming back now...in Iran building them a defense system..in South America.. And just saw Rev Jessie Jackson is back picketing on the bail out....wait....an Obama presidency will be full of Rev Jackson, ACLU, etc making sure that our "reputation throughout the world" is not sullied !!!!!

Our reputation throughout the world is already sullied. Mark my words, this country cannot withstand 4 more years of a Bush administration and that's exactly what you'll get with McCain, possibly worse.

BTW, Jesse Jackson and Obama are not on the same page. Didn't you see the infamous "open mic" clip?

Originally Posted by chelsea24

Our reputation throughout the world is already sullied. Mark my words, this country cannot withstand 4 more years of a Bush administration and that's exactly what you'll get with McCain, possibly worse.

BTW, Jesse Jackson and Obama are not on the same page. Didn't you see the infamous "open mic" clip?

This constant linkage of McCain to Bush is so out of place. So what if he voted 90% of the time along with the rest of the Republicans. Under that criteria ALL Members of Congress who are registered Republicans are "continuation of Bush," and that is rubbish.

Where Pres. bush got into hot water is he stopped being a conservative Republican a long time ago and acted according to the Democratic Party philosophy - goverment is too small, so let's make it bigger and all problems will go away!

What you see with the Bush administration is exactly what you can expect from an Obama/Biden regime - government getting bigger, costs of government going up, and the taxpayer get lip service while having his/her pocket picked clean.

It's amazing that most of Democrats in Congress and the Bush administration all want this taxpayer-shafting bailout, and the most of the Republicans and Independents are saying how rotten a deal it is.