Originally Posted by Bucco

Obama's budget was voted down by Democrats as well as Republicans each year....he has not received a yes vote on any of them !!!

He of course blames someone else but it is all by design...he does not want a budget...how can you have a budget and then spend what you want ?

It is the job of Congress to pass a budget.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

It is the job of Congress to pass a budget.

Last senate vote and I think for the past 3 years...98-0 !!!!!

THAT by the way is the vote on the OBAMA SUBMITTED BUDGET !!!

THAT by the way in the DEMOCRATIC controlled Senate !!!!!

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

It is the job of Congress to pass a budget.

Right now Congress could not and would not compromise on the color of the hearse in a one car funeral. There was a time when there were enough "moderates" on both sides to carry the day. Not so any more.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Paul Ryan, Ayn Rand Fan, Brings Writer's Philosophy To Presidential Stage

WHY is this an issue and we seem to be not allowed to discuss the teachings that our President was exposed to and flaunted ????

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

It is the job of Congress to pass a budget.

Do you suppose if the President doesn't like what is being proposed by the oppoisition that he would approach his Party and suggest they stand pat?

Originally Posted by Bucco

WHY is this an issue and we seem to be not allowed to discuss the teachings that our President was exposed to and flaunted ????

That really is the heart of the matter.

Originally Posted by Bucco

WHY is this an issue and we seem to be not allowed to discuss the teachings that our President was exposed to and flaunted ????

When though? Paul Ryan seemed to be passsing out Ayn Rand's books as Christmas presents not very long ago. Barack Obama's questionable passions with others do not seem to be that recent. http://americanvaluesnetwork.org/aynrandvsjesus/ http://swampland.time.com/2011/06/03...-rand-problem/

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

When though? Paul Ryan seemed to be passsing out Ayn Rand's books as Christmas presents not very long ago. Barach Obama's questionable passions with others do not seem to be that recent.

You are kidding right ? Almost every word and action is right out of the Organizer handbook and the left wing rhetoric he flaunted in Chicago and the teachings of all those folks back then.

HOWEVER,should you mention this...well, let me see...

You are a racist

Why bring up that stuff, what difference does it make now

He cant do all that...he has a congress to control him

Prove it

Who cares about Alinsky (although Obama TAUGHT his doctrine...didnt just pass out books)

These are just a few that have been thrown at me.....Ryan likes one of the largest selling books ever and Obama TEACHES the philosohy of the most radical leftist ever and you cannot see any difference ?

I don't understand this demonizing agenda against the studies of Ayn Rand.

It seems to me that there's a brilliance around the works of Ayn Rand that cannot be denied.

Tal, can you tell me in your own words, not a link, but your own beliefs and thoughts, what you think Ayn Rand's fictional book Atlas Shrugred is all about and why you see it as negative?

IIRC, (could be wrong, I'm not as sharp as I once was-LOL), didn't Ayn Rand move to this country from Russia to escape Socialism?

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I don't understand this demonizing agenda against the studies of Ayn Rand.

It seems to me that there's a brilliance around the works of Ayn Rand that cannot be denied.

Exactly. What do people think her writing and philosophy is about?

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I don't understand this demonizing agenda against the studies of Ayn Rand.

It seems to me that there's a brilliance around the works of Ayn Rand that cannot be denied.

Of course.

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Tal, can you tell me in your own words, not a link, but your own beliefs and thoughts, what you think Ayn Rand's fictional book Atlas Shrugred is all about and why you see it as negative?

Atlas Shrugged. I probably read this book 30 years ago. It sort of rings a bell. Ayn Rand's philosophy is set out more in two nonfiction books-- The Virtue of Selfishness and Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology . Her philosophy is called Objectivism and sounds like she just does away with about 3000 years of very sophisticated philosophical debates by getting rid of God, the soul, free will, etc. by taking a very commonsensical approach. What's in the world are objects. People interact with objects during their existence. What is most important to the single person is his or her economic survival. The state is supposed to leave people alone while they pursue their economic interests. Not even sure why Ayn Rand needs a state in her philosophy.

What man is supposed to enjoy is art. She seems to see art as the only thing that human's should worship. There's no afterlife, no God, etc. in the work of Ayn Rand that I can see. No real morals, no real ethics. Rand's ethics are just that we should leave one another alone so that each can pursue his or her own economic interests. If another person uses violence to prevent someone else from pursuing his or her economic interest, then you can use violence in turn.

Abortions are fine in Rand's philosophy because a fetus is not a person striving for an economic interest. There is no God in Rand's work, no soul of a person so there is no argument coming from there that a fetus might have a soul.

I may be missing something though in Ayn Rand's work. I have two B.A.s and one of these was in Philosophy. We never studied Ayn Rand as I cannot remember anyone seeing her as a serious philosopher. I studied Plato, Aristotle, St. Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Descartes, Hobbes, Newton, Locke, Burke, Hume, Berkeley, Kant, Hegel, Marx, Pierce, James, Freud, Popper, Wittgenstein, Kuhn, etc.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Atlas Shrugged. I probably read this book 30 years ago. It sort of rings a bell. Ayn Rand's philosophy is set out more in two nonfiction books-- The Virtue of Selfishness and Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology . Her philosophy is called Objectivism and sounds like she just does away with about 3000 years of very sophisticated philosophical debates by getting rid of God, the soul, free will, etc. by taking a very commonsensical approach. What's in the world are objects. People interact with objects during their existence. What is most important to the single person is his or her economic survival. The state is supposed to leave people alone while they pursue their economic interests. Not even sure why Ayn Rand needs a state in her philosophy.

What man is supposed to enjoy is art. She seems to see art as the only thing that human's should worship. There's no afterlife, no God, etc. in the work of Ayn Rand that I can see. No real morals, no real ethics. Rand's ethics are just that we should leave one another alone so that each can pursue his or her own economic interests. If another person uses violence to prevent someone else from pursuing his or her economic interest, then you can use violence in turn.

Abortions are fine in Rand's philosophy because a fetus is not a person striving for an economic interest. There is no God in Rand's work, no soul of a person so there is no argument coming from there that a fetus might have a soul.

I may be missing something though in Ayn Rand's work. I have two B.A.s and one of these was in Philosophy. We never studied Ayn Rand as I cannot remember anyone seeing her as a serious philosopher. I studied Plato, Aristotle, St. Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Descartes, Hobbes, Newton, Locke, Burke, Hume, Berkeley, Kant, Hegel, Marx, Pierce, James, Freud, Popper, Wittgenstein, Kuhn, etc.

Taltarzac72...YOU began this thread on Ayn Rand for a reason and I, for one, do not understand why. It "appears" to me that it is simply another way of demeaning the Republican candidate, in this case for VP.

Should I begin a thread titled "Saul Alinsky" I would be met with great anger and would be asked what that has to do with anything even though the President actually TAUGHT the Alinsky philosophy and how to implement those things.

You can begin any thread you want, but it is just not clear to me WHY you began this thread..as I said it is not just that Ryan likes the book because if that were the case, I wouldnt have scars from discussing the Presidents involvement with "Rules for Radicals" by Alinsky.

You even admit in this last post that you have not read Ayn Rand in 30 years.

I am just at a loss as to what was your motive here !

Thanks for listening !