Originally Posted by Guest

It's all a sham paid for by over a $1 trillion every year.

Do you know HOW they get the unemployment numbers? They "supposedly" randomly call households and ask them about employment. Really? You take a "poll" and that becomes the official number? Talk about a license to lie! "I called some people and this is what they said"...really?

It's all a sham, the worlds economies are teetering on the brink, and .gov and the media tell the sheeple that everything is peachy and getting better.

We ARE lucky we haven't been invaded yet, it's coming, "diversity" will eventually destroy this place too.

I missed your last sentence. Invaded by who. Are you talking about the Villages, or the entire country? If minorities can afford living in The Villages, what the hell is the problem. They worked their entire lives, and saved for retirement, and we want to shut them out, because of the color of their skin? If you are talking about the US, you can't be serious. We are outspending the next seven countries combined, and this isn't enough to guarantee that we won't be invaded.

How is any country going to amass enough forces, and their invasion forces go undetected by our country on their way here? We can't stop a nuclear attack, but the country attacking us with nuclear bombs will disappear from the face of the earth with our response.

Originally Posted by Guest

I missed your last sentence. Invaded by who. Are you talking about the Villages, or the entire country? If minorities can afford living in The Villages, what the hell is the problem. They worked their entire lives, and saved for retirement, and we want to shut them out, because of the color of their skin? If you are talking about the US, you can't be serious. We are outspending the next seven countries combined, and this isn't enough to guarantee that we won't be invaded.

How is any country going to amass enough forces, and their invasion forces go undetected by our country on their way here? We can't stop a nuclear attack, but the country attacking us with nuclear bombs will disappear from the face of the earth with our response.

Unfortunately, liberals are starving our military and we are now making do with antiquated weaponry. Our fighter jets are 20 years old, and when the DOD says it needs upgrading, the liberals ask WHY. We are surviving in an aggressive world only on bluster, reputation and bluff. But, now Russia is starting to call our bluff and we respond how? With serious wording? With unembarrassed weak suggestions of threat? With "can't we all just get along?" If you want a free country, then you absolutely NEED/ have to have a very strong Defense. You can argue all you wish about how we have been in unneeded wars, but the fact is that you are criticizing while living a lavish lifestyle in a FREE country. AND that is due to a strong Defense. You can only bluff for so long before someone will call your bluff. Other leaders realized this and understood the need to show force when necessary to keep our country secure. Now, we have folks that have no experience and no understand of REAL history, just liberal PC history attempting to manage our great nation. But, you'll learn soon enough. Right now, Putin is kicking sand in our faces. Reagan would never have allowed Russian fighter planes to buzz our combat ships. I wonder what Putin has in store next, possibly another invasion of one of our allies that we promised to defend? Will we make excuses for not defending them AGAIN? How long will it be before the hammer and sickle are returned to the NEW Soviet Union? And liberals say, so what? Who cares? It's not paranoid when it's happening.

Liberals talk a lot and blame America
Conservatives ACT and blame the enemy. And many times, liberals seem like the enemy.

Originally Posted by Guest

I am not the person that accused you of sun downing. However, you have gone a little overboard.

Concerning the national debt increasing a trillion a year, take a look at the who the government is borrowing from. Who Owns the US National Debt? How Much Is Owed?
A lot of the debt is left pocket/ right pocket. You borrow from your left pocket, and put it in you right.

You are giving the impression that unemployment is solely determined by the calling 60,000 household. Calling the 60,000 is to determine how many have either stopped looking for work, or can't find work after their unemployment has run out. This number is added to the number of people on unemployment. Do you know a better way to determine how many people have left the workforce? If you do, give them a call, because they state that this is the best way to determine the number of people that have left the work force.

Define influx. When the better educated minority move into a neighborhood, the neighborhood doesn't go into the crapper. If they can afford the housing price, the only color that matters is green. Minorities are moving into blue collar neighborhoods. They might not be improving the neighborhood, but there are a lot that aren't bringing the neighborhood down. Blue color workers are a lot more tolerant than the people in the high priced neighborhood with their noses stuck high in the air.

Could there be another recession sometime soon? Sure, but it won't be as deep as the last one. Trump is threating to place tariffs on countries like China, and Mexico. If China's economy is teetering, what do you think a tariff on their manufactured products would do? He is almost guaranteeing a world wide recession.

The sun will go down, but sure as hell it will come right back the next day.

Here's the debt clock: U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Total over $19 trillion. $161,000 per taxpayer, $59,000 per man woman and child, $500 billion deficit. It's more than moving from one pocket to another. It's repeatedly taking out loans and credit cards to pay the other loans and credit cards AND to keep living an unsustainable existence.

My point on unemployment is...it's just a big guess...and it's wide open for fraud.

Influx. You just defined the death of many formerly wonderful neighborhoods, towns, cities, etc. That's how it STARTS, the "wealthier minorities", then the standards go lower and lower as more and more move in until it becomes a shell of its former self. Why do you want to destroy such a nice place as this? At least the highfalutin neighborhoods survive! The blue collar ones turn into ghettos.

You have no clue about the worlds economies and finance...do you? You're a lamb surrounded by wolves.

Originally Posted by Guest

Unfortunately, liberals are starving our military and we are now making do with antiquated weaponry. Our fighter jets are 20 years old, and when the DOD says it needs upgrading, the liberals ask WHY. We are surviving in an aggressive world only on bluster, reputation and bluff. But, now Russia is starting to call our bluff and we respond how? With serious wording? With unembarrassed weak suggestions of threat? With "can't we all just get along?" If you want a free country, then you absolutely NEED/ have to have a very strong Defense. You can argue all you wish about how we have been in unneeded wars, but the fact is that you are criticizing while living a lavish lifestyle in a FREE country. AND that is due to a strong Defense. You can only bluff for so long before someone will call your bluff. Other leaders realized this and understood the need to show force when necessary to keep our country secure. Now, we have folks that have no experience and no understand of REAL history, just liberal PC history attempting to manage our great nation. But, you'll learn soon enough. Right now, Putin is kicking sand in our faces. Reagan would never have allowed Russian fighter planes to buzz our combat ships. I wonder what Putin has in store next, possibly another invasion of one of our allies that we promised to defend? Will we make excuses for not defending them AGAIN? How long will it be before the hammer and sickle are returned to the NEW Soviet Union? And liberals say, so what? Who cares? It's not paranoid when it's happening.

Liberals talk a lot and blame America
Conservatives ACT and blame the enemy. And many times, liberals seem like the enemy.

Budget cuts leaving Marine Corps aircraft grounded | Fox News

Originally Posted by Guest

I am not the person that accused you of sun downing. However, you have gone a little overboard.

Concerning the national debt increasing a trillion a year, take a look at the who the government is borrowing from. Who Owns the US National Debt? How Much Is Owed?
A lot of the debt is left pocket/ right pocket. You borrow from your left pocket, and put it in you right.

You are giving the impression that unemployment is solely determined by the calling 60,000 household. Calling the 60,000 is to determine how many have either stopped looking for work, or can't find work after their unemployment has run out. This number is added to the number of people on unemployment. Do you know a better way to determine how many people have left the workforce? If you do, give them a call, because they state that this is the best way to determine the number of people that have left the work force.

Define influx. When the better educated minority move into a neighborhood, the neighborhood doesn't go into the crapper. If they can afford the housing price, the only color that matters is green. Minorities are moving into blue collar neighborhoods. They might not be improving the neighborhood, but there are a lot that aren't bringing the neighborhood down. Blue color workers are a lot more tolerant than the people in the high priced neighborhood with their noses stuck high in the air.

Could there be another recession sometime soon? Sure, but it won't be as deep as the last one. Trump is threating to place tariffs on countries like China, and Mexico. If China's economy is teetering, what do you think a tariff on their manufactured products would do? He is almost guaranteeing a world wide recession.

The sun will go down, but sure as hell it will come right back the next day.

No my uninformed friend the National Debt -- is not a simple " left pocket to right pocket shift " as you say and no doubt learned on some simple site such as " The Nation " or " The Huffington Post ".
The money actually leaves the pants and never comes back . It goes out of " the pants pockets " and spent on various and sundry Federal programs and handed off to many countries which hate the USA .
You say the debt is " ours " and no one can get hurt . Who do you think is funding the debt ? Try this out independent pension funds , insurance companies , money market funds , bond funds and also a number of foreign governments such as China and Saudi Arabia .
You don`t think that these individuals and institutions and foreign governments are never going to want to get paid back ?
I am sure that you have a great deal more education and experience in these matters than I do . So would you please educate me on how this works .
I only have a BS in Economics , an MBA in Finance , a Masters in Accounting and a 35 year career in Commercial Banking . Apparently I did not attend the right schools or work for institutions which really understood how fiscal policy actually works ---- make that hasen`t worked since about 1964 .

Originally Posted by Guest

It's all a sham paid for by over a $1 trillion every year.

Do you know HOW they get the unemployment numbers? They "supposedly" randomly call households and ask them about employment. Really? You take a "poll" and that becomes the official number? Talk about a license to lie! "I called some people and this is what they said"...really?

It's all a sham, the worlds economies are teetering on the brink, and .gov and the media tell the sheeple that everything is peachy and getting better.

We ARE lucky we haven't been invaded yet, it's coming, "diversity" will eventually destroy this place too.

Rocker. Screwball.

Originally Posted by Guest

No my uninformed friend the National Debt -- is not a simple " left pocket to right pocket shift " as you say and no doubt learned on some simple site such as " The Nation " or " The Huffington Post ".
The money actually leaves the pants and never comes back . It goes out of " the pants pockets " and spent on various and sundry Federal programs and handed off to many countries which hate the USA .
You say the debt is " ours " and no one can get hurt . Who do you think is funding the debt ? Try this out independent pension funds , insurance companies , money market funds , bond funds and also a number of foreign governments such as China and Saudi Arabia .
You don`t think that these individuals and institutions and foreign governments are never going to want to get paid back ?
I am sure that you have a great deal more education and experience in these matters than I do . So would you please educate me on how this works .
I only have a BS in Economics , an MBA in Finance , a Masters in Accounting and a 35 year career in Commercial Banking . Apparently I did not attend the right schools or work for institutions which really understood how fiscal policy actually works ---- make that hasen`t worked since about 1964 .

I have never watched the Nation or read the Huffington Post. With all your degrees, please tell me where I said the ENTIRE national debt was left pocket/right pocket. I put up the debt by major entity. You skipped right over the US government agencies, and went right to the other entities/countries.

China could do a number on our economy by calling in the debt. The threat is always there. They could also nationalize all our countries businesses making products there. What is their goal? What good would it do cripple one of their larger customers? Trump wants to put large tariffs on them. He has a ton of degrees also. He brags about them every day. Maybe you should talk to him about the backlash China could inflict on us by calling in the debt we owe to them.

Attached is the budget deficit=/surplus by year. History of Deficits and Surpluses In The United States

Here is the national debt by year. National Debt by Year: Compared to GDP, and Major Events

If you had a surplus in the Clinton years, and "W's" early years, why did the national debt increase?

Could it be that they are two different entities? That all the national debt doesn't come from federal spending. That can't be the case. We only have one pocket.

Originally Posted by Guest

No my uninformed friend the National Debt -- is not a simple " left pocket to right pocket shift " as you say and no doubt learned on some simple site such as " The Nation " or " The Huffington Post ".
The money actually leaves the pants and never comes back . It goes out of " the pants pockets " and spent on various and sundry Federal programs and handed off to many countries which hate the USA .
You say the debt is " ours " and no one can get hurt . Who do you think is funding the debt ? Try this out independent pension funds , insurance companies , money market funds , bond funds and also a number of foreign governments such as China and Saudi Arabia .
You don`t think that these individuals and institutions and foreign governments are never going to want to get paid back ?
I am sure that you have a great deal more education and experience in these matters than I do . So would you please educate me on how this works .
I only have a BS in Economics , an MBA in Finance , a Masters in Accounting and a 35 year career in Commercial Banking . Apparently I did not attend the right schools or work for institutions which really understood how fiscal policy actually works ---- make that hasen`t worked since about 1964 .

Ok, Mr. Education, please show me where I said "the debt is " ours " and no one can get hurt". Please show me! You put words in my mouth so you can go off on a tirade. Is that what they taught you in school? I guess I am lucky that you missed the class on taking words out of context, and beating the person that said them on the head with them. I guess that was a course in Politics one, and you had no desire to be a politician. To bad in the current state of politics, you would fit right in.

Originally Posted by Guest

China could do a number on our economy by calling in the debt. The threat is always there. They could also nationalize all our countries businesses making products there. What is their goal? What good would it do cripple one of their larger customers? Trump wants to put large tariffs on them. He has a ton of degrees also. He brags about them every day. Maybe you should talk to him about the backlash China could inflict on us by calling in the debt we owe to them.

China isn't going to "call in the debt". They're holding bonds. Why do the uninformed comment?

When you owe someone over a $ trillion, it's their problem as much as yours.

We gave China paper, they gave us stuff. Who go the better deal?

They "call in" a $ trillion in debt, we tell them to come and take it. There's a war and they don't get paid anyway. You think the Chinese are going to come over here and take over? More guns than people in America, good luck with that.

For the most part, we're in agreement...but not with China. The "powers that be" the truly wealthy aren't going to give it up to Chinamen. China is being used more than it's using others. The Chinese are outsiders.

Originally Posted by Guest

China isn't going to "call in the debt". They're holding bonds. Why do the uninformed comment?

When you owe someone over a $ trillion, it's their problem as much as yours.

We gave China paper, they gave us stuff. Who go the better deal?

They "call in" a $ trillion in debt, we tell them to come and take it. There's a war and they don't get paid anyway. You think the Chinese are going to come over here and take over? More guns than people in America, good luck with that.

For the most part, we're in agreement...but not with China. The "powers that be" the truly wealthy aren't going to give it up to Chinamen. China is being used more than it's using others. The Chinese are outsiders.

Bonds can be cash or sold before their due date. China has recently sold some of their US Treasuries. China Sells U.S. Treasuries to Support

China has bought US Treasuries to keep the value of the currency down. This makes their products cheaper, and our more expensive. We know what they are doing, and we keep on letting them do it. Who is the fool?

If China calls in the debt, we can either raise taxes to pay them, or just print money, and cause the return of inflation. War is not an option.

Trump solution of placing a high tariff is just noise to get votes from the uninformed.

Originally Posted by Guest

China has bought US Treasuries to keep the value of the currency down. This makes their products cheaper, and our more expensive. We know what they are doing, and we keep on letting them do it. Who is the fool?

If China calls in the debt, we can either raise taxes to pay them, or just print money, and cause the return of inflation. War is not an option.

China bought US treasuries because they were TOLD to buy US treasuries if they wanted to play with the big boys. That is our hold over them. When someone owes you a $ trillion, you don't want anything happening to them, China won't attack. All the "big players" have stakes in each other. It keeps the petty squabbling to a minimum, keeps it from getting out of hand.

China won't sell their treasuries. Just like Saudi Arabia won't sell it's treasuries if the courts decide to blame them for their role in 9-11. It's MAD, mutually assured destruction. The world financial markets would implode if they sell. Nobody in power wants to see the world implode. That's WHY they manipulate everything, blow bubbles, reduce interest rates, etc.

The US would implode if interest rates went up. Do you know what the interest paid on $20 trillion ($20,000,000,000,000) is? Lets say the interest rate is 2.4% https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/...16/2016_02.htm We're paying $ 480 billion ($480,000,000,000) now, if interest rates went up to 6%, where they SHOULD be, they'd be paying $1.2 trillion ($1,200,000,000,000) a year in interest. They artificially keep rates low so they can make the minimum interest payment, the underlying debt just gets rolled over into new debt and never paid. The whole think is a scam.

War is ALWAYS an option when they want it. It changes the entire debt structure, old debts extinguished, new debts owed. It also gets rid of a lot of young men, doing wonders for the unemployment rate when things need to be rebuilt.

Originally Posted by Guest

China isn't going to "call in the debt". They're holding bonds. Why do the uninformed comment?

When you owe someone over a $ trillion, it's their problem as much as yours.

We gave China paper, they gave us stuff. Who go the better deal?

They "call in" a $ trillion in debt, we tell them to come and take it. There's a war and they don't get paid anyway. You think the Chinese are going to come over here and take over? More guns than people in America, good luck with that.

For the most part, we're in agreement...but not with China. The "powers that be" the truly wealthy aren't going to give it up to Chinamen. China is being used more than it's using others. The Chinese are outsiders.

You are soooooo far out of the park that I could not even begin to try to explain everything that is incorrect in your tirade .
So let me go back to your initial statements and ask that you educate me :
Please explain exactly what Ms. Clinton accomplished in her 8+ years as a US Senator . And in her time as Sec. of State .
Also please share with us why you feel that she is best qualified to deal with Iran , North Korea , Mr. Putin and World Wide Jihad .

Originally Posted by Guest

China bought US treasuries because they were TOLD to buy US treasuries if they wanted to play with the big boys. That is our hold over them. When someone owes you a $ trillion, you don't want anything happening to them, China won't attack. All the "big players" have stakes in each other. It keeps the petty squabbling to a minimum, keeps it from getting out of hand.

China won't sell their treasuries. Just like Saudi Arabia won't sell it's treasuries if the courts decide to blame them for their role in 9-11. It's MAD, mutually assured destruction. The world financial markets would implode if they sell. Nobody in power wants to see the world implode. That's WHY they manipulate everything, blow bubbles, reduce interest rates, etc.

The US would implode if interest rates went up. Do you know what the interest paid on $20 trillion ($20,000,000,000,000) is? Lets say the interest rate is 2.4% https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/...16/2016_02.htm We're paying $ 480 billion ($480,000,000,000) now, if interest rates went up to 6%, where they SHOULD be, they'd be paying $1.2 trillion ($1,200,000,000,000) a year in interest. They artificially keep rates low so they can make the minimum interest payment, the underlying debt just gets rolled over into new debt and never paid. The whole think is a scam.

War is ALWAYS an option when they want it. It changes the entire debt structure, old debts extinguished, new debts owed. It also gets rid of a lot of young men, doing wonders for the unemployment rate when things need to be rebuilt.

Who told China to buy US treasuries? Japan owns the second most treasury bonds. It must be them, because Japan and China are close buddies.

If foreign entities are buying treasuries in large amounts to screw around with the value of US dollars, why are we letting them do it?

Tax reform that brings in more money, and couple this with a balanced budget is the answer. Everyone that is anyone knows this. Why isn't it being done? We know what the answer to that is too. Our elected officials won't bite the hand that feeds them. which is major corporations, and the 1%.

Corporations complain about our high corporate tax rate, which is funny since they aren't paying federal income tax. Here is just a few 10 Corporate Tax Dodgers You Should Know About | BillMoyers.com

Over Two-Thirds Of Corporations Pay No Federal Corporate Income Tax

Originally Posted by Guest

Who told China to buy US treasuries? Japan owns the second most treasury bonds. It must be them, because Japan and China are close buddies.

If foreign entities are buying treasuries in large amounts to screw around with the value of US dollars, why are we letting them do it?

Tax reform that brings in more money, and couple this with a balanced budget is the answer. Everyone that is anyone knows this. Why isn't it being done? We know what the answer to that is too. Our elected officials won't bite the hand that feeds them. which is major corporations, and the 1%.

Corporations complain about our high corporate tax rate, which is funny since they aren't paying federal income tax. Here is just a few 10 Corporate Tax Dodgers You Should Know About | BillMoyers.com

Over Two-Thirds Of Corporations Pay No Federal Corporate Income Tax

Who told China to buy US treasuries to join the club? We did. The World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, the Bank of International Settlements.

Japan holds a lot because of WWII, part of the agreement. Saudi Arabia does too, because WE developed their oil fields, part of the deal. We got petrodollars too...free money out of the ground!

We, the Fed, determine the rates and the value of the dollar, not some piddly country smaller than many states. China is being used for it's cheap labor. China isn't "really" in the big boys club, wrong race. They're being played too.

More taxes? You mean $1.2 trillion in new taxes? That's what we borrow every year. That's $3500 in new taxes for EVERY man woman and child, a family of 4 would pay $14,000 in new taxes every year.

Let that sink into your head, EVERY year, the government borrowing is making a family of fours share $14,000. Each family of 4 would have to pay $14,000 more a year to balance the budget. Government pays half a $ trillion a year in interest payments ($500,000,000,000). Interest rates are artificially low due to printed money to keep the debt interest serviceable.

You ARE right about one thing, the corporations DO run everything...and I do mean everything.

Corporations don't pay tax, their customers do. Raise their tax, the price goes up. You pay more. Nothing is free. You gonna add that to the $14,000 for balancing the budget? This whole recovery is fake, it's the result of spending almost $10 trillion, going $10 trillion deeper in debt.

Originally Posted by Guest

Who told China to buy US treasuries to join the club? We did. The World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, the Bank of International Settlements.

Japan holds a lot because of WWII, part of the agreement. Saudi Arabia does too, because WE developed their oil fields, part of the deal. We got petrodollars too...free money out of the ground!

We, the Fed, determine the rates and the value of the dollar, not some piddly country smaller than many states. China is being used for it's cheap labor. China isn't "really" in the big boys club, wrong race. They're being played too.

More taxes? You mean $1.2 trillion in new taxes? That's what we borrow every year. That's $3500 in new taxes for EVERY man woman and child, a family of 4 would pay $14,000 in new taxes every year.



Let that sink into your head, EVERY year, the government borrowing is making a family of fours share $14,000. Each family of 4 would have to pay $14,000 more a year to balance the budget. Government pays half a $ trillion a year in interest payments ($500,000,000,000). Interest rates are artificially low due to printed money to keep the debt interest serviceable.

You ARE right about one thing, the corporations DO run everything...and I do mean everything.

Corporations don't pay tax, their customers do. Raise their tax, the price goes up. You pay more. Nothing is free. You gonna add that to the $14,000 for balancing the budget? This whole recovery is fake, it's the result of spending almost $10 trillion, going $10 trillion deeper in debt.

PETRODOLLARS are US dollars which have left the US and are held in the accounts of OPEC Nations ------ we don`t " get " petrodollars from the ground " what to H are you talking about !!

China and Japan are not " Buddies " they HATE one another and have for hundreds of years .
So you and your " buddies " and their spouses actually Vote and many more with the same lack of information . God Save Us !