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Old 04-27-2011, 04:21 PM
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In what continues to provide me with much glee, The outraged Democrats who can't believe that a duly elected President would face the disrespect of people who question his veracity about his birthplace as it concerns his qualification to be President.

These are the exact same people who hated, hated, hated GW Bush and wished him dead, or at least impeached or tried for war crimes, on a daily basis. The NY Times conducted a poll in 2006 that showed that MORE THAN HALF OF DEMOCRATS believed that former President Bush was complicit in the World Trade Center attacks. It discreetly decided not too run to far with this story. It generously described these "patriotically inclined" Democrats thusly; Some participants see an American tradition of questioning concentrated power.

The Times has referenced this study just once, fleetingly, in a story about "conspiracy theorists" not once mentioning Democrats and Bush-Haters as the chief advocates.

"Obama is our President; just get over it!!"; yeah Okay, just like you did a few short years ago.

http://www.mrc.org/timeswatch/articl...426104737.aspx
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Old 04-27-2011, 09:27 PM
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..."Obama is our President; just get over it!!"; yeah Okay, just like you did a few short years ago....
Is ANY of this in our collective best interests?
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Old 04-27-2011, 09:57 PM
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Richie -



I will be expecting those congratulatory Yeunglings at Urban Flats in November.

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Old 04-27-2011, 10:10 PM
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Is ANY of this in our collective best interests?
No it's not. It's just that it only seems to matter when the target of the venting is Democrat. I didn't hear any Democrat (not one) calling for decorum in the deplorable treatment of the former President, and so even if others want to forget that, I won't.

A classic oldie:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0[/ame]
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Old 04-28-2011, 06:12 AM
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In what continues to provide me with much glee, The outraged Democrats who can't believe that a duly elected President would face the disrespect of people who question his veracity about his birthplace as it concerns his qualification to be President.

These are the exact same people who hated, hated, hated GW Bush and wished him dead, or at least impeached or tried for war crimes, on a daily basis. The NY Times conducted a poll in 2006 that showed that MORE THAN HALF OF DEMOCRATS believed that former President Bush was complicit in the World Trade Center attacks. It discreetly decided not too run to far with this story. It generously described these "patriotically inclined" Democrats thusly; Some participants see an American tradition of questioning concentrated power.

The Times has referenced this study just once, fleetingly, in a story about "conspiracy theorists" not once mentioning Democrats and Bush-Haters as the chief advocates.

"Obama is our President; just get over it!!"; yeah Okay, just like you did a few short years ago.

http://www.mrc.org/timeswatch/articl...426104737.aspx
The Democrats, in this forum, are often accused of being obsessed with GW Bush...so much so that I make every effort not to reference him or state that I am NOT attacking him. But this post points out how obsessed the Republicans are with GW Bush. This post references a very right wing source and then slants the actual content of that reference. And that saddens me because we have been able to find some common ground in the past. So this is what the poll question asked:

"How likely is it that people in the federal government either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop the attacks because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East?" the poll asked.

A full 22.6% of Democrats said it was "very likely." Another 28.2% called it "somewhat likely.

I see no mention of GW Bush directly in that question. This poll is more a reflection on the Iraq war than on the 9/11 attacks. All the lies the administration spread a justification for the war.

However, yes I did know one Democrat in my circle that fully believed in this theory.

Also your reference didn't mention any of this.....

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/wei...r-polling.aspx

Nor of this....

http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time....ruther-denial/

And as this reference points out....How many of those responded are correctly identifying that GW Bush was briefed about a possible attack when at his ranch?

And for the record....No truther here!!!!
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Old 04-28-2011, 06:36 AM
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The Democrats, in this forum, are often accused of being obsessed with GW Bush...so much so that I make every effort not to reference him or state that I am NOT attacking him. But this post points out how obsessed the Republicans are with GW Bush. This post references a very right wing source and then slants the actual content of that reference. And that saddens me because we have been able to find some common ground in the past. So this is what the poll question asked:

"How likely is it that people in the federal government either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop the attacks because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East?" the poll asked.

A full 22.6% of Democrats said it was "very likely." Another 28.2% called it "somewhat likely.

I see no mention of GW Bush directly in that question. This poll is more a reflection on the Iraq war than on the 9/11 attacks. All the lies the administration spread a justification for the war.

However, yes I did know one Democrat in my circle that fully believed in this theory.

Also your reference didn't mention any of this.....

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/wei...r-polling.aspx

Nor of this....

http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time....ruther-denial/

And as this reference points out....How many of those responded are correctly identifying that GW Bush was briefed about a possible attack when at his ranch?

And for the record....No truther here!!!!
Now that is an intelligent post. There is nothing like all of the information. How refreshing. ... don't you just hate it when that happens when you're trying to make a point?


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Old 04-28-2011, 08:52 AM
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The Democrats, in this forum, are often accused of being obsessed with GW Bush...so much so that I make every effort not to reference him or state that I am NOT attacking him. But this post points out how obsessed the Republicans are with GW Bush.
This only points out how I feel about this. I do not speak for Republicans. I'm the one who is going to slap "Bush Derangement Syndrome" in the face of liberals every time I'm told I, or any one else, needs to be more respectful to the current President.

I never once heard anyone calling for Liberals to be more respectful of GW Bush, ever. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. When I see Liberals beings respectful, say to Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, Newt Gringrich, etc., etc., maybe (maybe) I will start being a little more respectful to this progressive, socialist, anti-American greatness President.

I know my style, when it comes to this subject, is not popular with Liberals, and not popular with Republicans who just want to get along now so that we talk about the important issues. But, I won't be deterred in any forum, written or verbal, in letting Liberals off the hook for their onerous and deplorable conduct when it came to the former President. A disrespect and hatred that continues to this very day.

So I will continue to convey similar respect for this President as Liberals give the former. I still think I'm more respectful, actually, because unlike liberals I'll never call for the death of this President.
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Old 04-28-2011, 10:09 AM
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... I'm the one who is going to slap "Bush Derangement Syndrome" in the face of liberals every time I'm told I, or any one else, needs to be more respectful to the current President....
Yep, and if there are millions and millions more on both sides of the political landscape that continue to do the same thing, we'll successfully distract our elected representatives from doing real work for the people. Then when the country goes down the tubes, we can continue the argument regarding which President really caused it to happen.

If anyone sees any value in continuing "slapping one another in the face", I'd surely like to hear the affirmative argument.
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Old 04-28-2011, 10:37 AM
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Yep, and if there are millions and millions more on both sides of the political landscape that continue to do the same thing, we'll successfully distract our elected representatives from doing real work for the people. Then when the country goes down the tubes, we can continue the argument regarding which President really caused it to happen.

If anyone sees any value in continuing "slapping one another in the face", I'd surely like to hear the affirmative argument.
I understand completely what you're saying and I do not disagree. All I'm saying is I won't be first. When I hear Liberals express their shame for the inexcusable treatment of the former President, I might listen.

I'm totally involved with the current state of the nation and speak to issues that concern me whenever motivated to. But I'll never let Liberals off the hook especially when it comes to this subject, even if it draws the ire of Moderates who'd like a more "civilized" debate. I won't play into the hands of Liberals who only hold "the bible" when it suits them.
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Old 04-28-2011, 10:38 AM
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At some point we the people will wake up and set aside the need for R or D microscopic minutia picking and focus on what is happening to America as a result of not focusing on the issue(s) before us.

Just remember in the future equivilent of our pasts breadlines, there will be no requirement to validate whether one has an R or D after their name. Ours will hit home when the financial crisis affects each personally. As the coming energy crisis affects each of our lives. Yes even here in TV bubble we will suffer as well or more because we are so dependent on the money being there....the fuel being there....the groceries/water/etc being there. If you have been here when there is the threat of a hurricane you know what I mean by panic clearing of the retailers shelves. And that is for a temporary incident. What will the demeanor here be when there is no known solution or visible end to the crisis.


None of the above will matter whether one has a D or an R. And there are some of us who will not have to worry about the above as most of us will be moving on to a better place. But our children and grand children and their kin will definitely have these terrible experiences to deal with.

Aren't we lucky for now anyway, that most of what we do in our lives every single day doesn't require for us to know or care whether there is an R or a D after ones name.

Maybe we can hope for the lessor of the future crises to occur first to aid in waking us up!!!

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Old 04-28-2011, 11:03 AM
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Yes, Bush should express shame for that sneer he always had on his face. Bush said he did not care about polls on the negative ratings that were given him. Do you realize that Bush had an approval rating lower than Jimmy Carter when he left office?

In fact, President Obama has an approval rating HIGHER than your hero (and B film actor) Ronnie Reagan for the same point and time in office. 43% vs 42%.
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:16 AM
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This only points out how I feel about this. I do not speak for Republicans. I'm the one who is going to slap "Bush Derangement Syndrome" in the face of liberals every time I'm told I, or any one else, needs to be more respectful to the current President.

I never once heard anyone calling for Liberals to be more respectful of GW Bush, ever. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. When I see Liberals beings respectful, say to Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, Newt Gringrich, etc., etc., maybe (maybe) I will start being a little more respectful to this progressive, socialist, anti-American greatness President.

I know my style, when it comes to this subject, is not popular with Liberals, and not popular with Republicans who just want to get along now so that we talk about the important issues. But, I won't be deterred in any forum, written or verbal, in letting Liberals off the hook for their onerous and deplorable conduct when it came to the former President. A disrespect and hatred that continues to this very day.

So I will continue to convey similar respect for this President as Liberals give the former. I still think I'm more respectful, actually, because unlike liberals I'll never call for the death of this President.
Um... Richie, do we need to check your birth certificate?





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Old 04-28-2011, 11:26 AM
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I still think I'm more respectful, actually, because unlike liberals I'll never call for the death of this President.
Hey, Ritchie - We liberals prayed every day for Bush's safety because if anything happened to him, we would have been stuck with Prez Cheney. OMG, talk about out of the frying pan and into the fires of hell!!!!
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Old 04-28-2011, 12:25 PM
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Great answer, Nitakk. 100% true, too.
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Old 04-28-2011, 12:44 PM
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Has anybody seen this.

The tech is quite revealing.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJfdKClbH4[/ame]

What difference does it make? Well for one, everything he has done to this country can be undone.

Also, Libs, please explain to me, why this president has spent millions of dollars, and had a team of lawyers, working to NOT release his Birth Certificate....Not a Certificate of Live Birth. Is he that big of a fool, or does he think that the American people are that big of fools.

Just asking.
 

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