about the short comings of our past president....and in the spirit of fairness know so little about their seemingly, can say no wrong and obviously has done no wrong (in their eyes anyway).

Time will tell. Just like NBC proudly reporting last night that Obama's approval rating is still 60% considering the hard times the country is in and my favorite considering what he inherited.
What was completely omitted was the fact his approval rating has in fact dropped from 65% to the heralded 60%!

Now just how hypocritical is that? Partisan wagon circling at it's media driven best!!!!!!!!!!!!

A better indicator may be how the rest of the worlds leaders view the new POTUS...so far not doing to well....yeah I know it is only 5 weeks....give him a chance.....uh-huh!!!!

BTK

Originally Posted by RCT

I would doubt if Bush would even be capable of writing his autobiography, even with the help of a good writer, because, so much of his permanent record was squashed, that it wouldn't be a realistic story. Just another example of a wealthy, powerful daddy that squashed his son's criminal record so he could go on and reach his "Peter Principle " status.

First of all, not sure how a thread about the current President becomes another bash Bush thread. Obviously you dont read well when you IGNORE those saying he had culpability.....AND

I will assume that since that is ALL you talk about that you condone the action of congress a few years ago, and the pressure by Clinton to insure home loans to poor people !!!!!!!

This is not a defense of G W Bush nor has anyone done anything close to it thus I am not sure of where youare going UNLESS you do condone those who were complicit in causing our current dilemma or are simply a party person !

Originally Posted by billy2fish

Where oh where are the good old moderate republicans, such as Christian Herter,former Gov.sec. of state,under sec. of state and congressman.George Romney gov. of Michigan. Charles Persy former US Senator from Illinois. Nelson Rockefeller 4 time Gov.NY and former Vice President. John Volpe former Gov.Ma. and Ambassador to Italy. And although most dem. and independents wont admit it Richard Nixon he had his faults but he opened the door to China and we no longer had to look at the Russians and China together as a threat.Then the Christen right got pandered to,and who do we end up with,yep george w bush he bought the Texas rangers then took tax payer money to buy land for a stadium,bought an oil company couldn't find any oil in Texas then sold all his stock in the company shortly after that the company went bankrupt and lets not forget the Hollywood slasher B movie he produced and you right wingers never had a problem with him oh excuse me never had a problem until he bankrupted the whole country.You never had a problem with the biggest thief ever in politics cheney.The Christen right is not your power base the blue collar worker is and as Paul Harvey always said and now the rest of the story.

Another bash Bush !!! The local Dem party must be busy....blame Bush and ignore anyone else culpable and not matter the subject, make sure you bring up and blame Bush !!! TOP flight !!!

HAVE YOU HEARD EVEN ONE PERSON ON HERE DEFENDING BUSH ? But your obvious ingnorance of facts insures a free ride for those who directly and overtly did the damage !

Originally Posted by chelsea24

Well, I'd like to be a fly on the wall if President Obama did show up at your door and you turned down the money! That's what all the naysayers should do.... DON'T TAKE THE MONEY! TURN DOWN ANY BENEFITS TO YOU!

hmmmmmm.... Now where did I hear "out of fear clinging to their guns and Bible." Now that's a sentence I wouldn't have apologized for because it's absolutely true.

C24....Are you aware of the many "strings" attached to states taking any of this money ????? Do you support those "strings" ?

Originally Posted by Bucco

Another bash Bush !!! The local Dem party must be busy....blame Bush and ignore anyone else culpable and not matter the subject, make sure you bring up and blame Bush !!! TOP flight !!!

HAVE YOU HEARD EVEN ONE PERSON ON HERE DEFENDING BUSH ? But your obvious ingnorance of facts insures a free ride for those who directly and overtly did the damage !

First of all I am not a democrat,nor am I a Republican. I like to call them like I see them. bush bash????? only with a baseball bat and hurt him real bad like he hurt me and millions of others if you don't like my opinion of him thats your right just like I don't like your opinion of Obama. Thanks bucco now you got my wife ****ed off at me with the bash bush with a bat remark.Sorry baby It's just idle talk,sorry baby I promise not to say it again.

Just curious, how did Bush hurt you?

Originally Posted by billy2fish

First of all I am not a democrat,nor am I a Republican. I like to call them like I see them. bush bash????? only with a baseball bat and hurt him real bad like he hurt me and millions of others if you don't like my opinion of him thats your right just like I don't like your opinion of Obama. Thanks bucco now you got my wife ****ed off at me with the bash bush with a bat remark.Sorry baby It's just idle talk,sorry baby I promise not to say it again.

Sort of a strange post here ! We got the point that you dont like George Bush quite some time ago and that you want to hurt him.

I never said you couldnt or shouldnt have that opinion and simply asked you if you excuse all the others involved...pretty simple stuff !!!!

You never seem to talk about the subject...ONLY GEORGE BUSH !!!!

Originally Posted by RCT

Bush shreded our constitution also, by going into a war illegally, by wiretapping, illegally. I might agree with you about some of Obamas ideals not being right, but don't forget about this C student named W that got to be president because of his family wealth and power.

Boy you got that right. And to the rest of you - "McCain LOST". Get over it.

Originally Posted by Taj44

Boy you got that right. And to the rest of you - "McCain LOST". Get over it.

I was over the election the next day or sooner.

Are you saying we need to give President Obama blind loyalty with no criticism allowed ?

Went to war illegally??? How did you arrive at that conclusion or is it just more mindless Bush bashing totally ignoring the facts.

The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists (Pub.L. 107-40, 115 Stat. 224, enacted September 18, 2001), one of two resolutions commonly known as "AUMF" (the other being "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002"), was a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress on September 18, 2001, authorizing the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the attacks on September 11, 2001. The authorization granted the President the authority to use all "necessary and appropriate force" against those whom he determined "planned, authorized, committed or aided" the September 11th attacks, or who harbored said persons or groups. The AUMF was signed by President George W. Bush on September 18, 2001.

The Iraq Resolution or the Iraq War Resolution (formally the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002,[1]) is a joint resolution (i.e., a law) passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing the Iraq War.

Illegal wire tapping too? Let's get back to reality or at least close to it shall we?

The USA PATRIOT Act, commonly known as the PATRIOT Act, is a statute enacted by the United States Government that President George W. Bush signed into law on October 26, 2001. The contrived acronym stands for Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001 (Public Law Pub.L. 107-56).

The Act increases the ability of law enforcement agencies to search telephone, e-mail communications, medical, financial, and other records; eases restrictions on foreign intelligence gathering within the United States; expands the Secretary of the Treasury’s authority to regulate financial transactions, particularly those involving foreign individuals and entities; and enhances the discretion of law enforcement and immigration authorities in detaining and deporting immigrants suspected of terrorism-related acts. The act also expands the definition of terrorism to include domestic terrorism, thus enlarging the number of activities to which the USA PATRIOT Act’s expanded law enforcement powers can be applied.

The Act was passed by wide margins in both houses of Congress and was supported by members of both the Republican and Democratic parties.

Originally Posted by dklassen

Went to war illegally??? How did you arrive at that conclusion or is it just more mindless Bush bashing totally ignoring the facts.

The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists (Pub.L. 107-40, 115 Stat. 224, enacted September 18, 2001), one of two resolutions commonly known as "AUMF" (the other being "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002"), was a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress on September 18, 2001, authorizing the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the attacks on September 11, 2001. The authorization granted the President the authority to use all "necessary and appropriate force" against those whom he determined "planned, authorized, committed or aided" the September 11th attacks, or who harbored said persons or groups. The AUMF was signed by President George W. Bush on September 18, 2001.

The Iraq Resolution or the Iraq War Resolution (formally the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002,[1]) is a joint resolution (i.e., a law) passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing the Iraq War.

There is a measurable segment of the population which wants to blame George Bush for everything from it raining (or not raining) to the next eclipse of the sun. That's their choice.

Anywhere from 4 to 8 years from now there will be another measurable segment of the population which will blame Barack Obama for everything from Mt. Redoubt's quirkiness to the demise of the Pontiac brand. That's just the way of things.

The "change" bandwagon requires constant referral of the previous administration in order to reinforce the "change" moniker.

No matter what the current administration does, it's successes will be heralded by its congregation as heroic acts of recovery, while its failures were due to "we didn't realize how bad the previous administration left things." It's a great situation for a glib politician.

However, this week's hero often becomes next week's villain. It usually happens when the congregation's ox gets gored somewhere along the way, as it inevitably does. It always happens when the "system" starts dipping into the pockets of the congregation instead of others during the furtherance of the "system's" agenda.

All the Bush bashing and sorts doesn't really bother me but when some folks start spouting illegal war blah blah blah, it's just liberal propaganda not even based in reality, not to mention how it disrespects our troops.

it gets increasingly old and shallow when all some have as a reference point is Bush's term. The continual harping NEVER adds value to any of the discussions.
I can only conclude it is a page from the party/Congressional hand book, that recommends red herring filled catharsis to sway discussions and progress from the real subject.

I await the first discussion of substance that is not dragged into a polarized, partisan, opposition, Bush bash.

Productive discussions contain more than just party line adherence...more than what is read in the papers....and certainly more than what is learned from the network news .

One can only hope.

BTK

Originally Posted by billy2fish

Gee sure wish I had listened to you guys.The troika of Bush Chaney and bumsfeld bankrupted the country and should be given a fair trial and then executed.The man needs to be given a FAIR chance and if he fails then vote him out. close to 50% of 50 years of savings has evaporated under their policies.So people get real and get behind OUR president and grow up and stop crying. We are all Americans and tired of being screwed by both sides of the aisle.

Give him a chance.... He is making changes...... reversing a lot of BUSH last minute changes for his rich cronies... Just think where we would be right now if BUSH was still in office OMG!!!!!!!!