Originally Posted by Guest

The insurance company had been giving me an 80% discount and realized their mistake just when Obammacare was enacted...I said I was healthy, I said I had health insurance since I was 18, I said I have spoken to others that had the same issue...And your thought is I was not paying enough to begin with??

Really?

I have accused you of being dumber than a box of rocks...I stand by that accusation. You are an annoying idiot that can not read and comprehend. Now everyone (including myself) makes mistakes on here from time to time, but you are one mistake after another. It is a wonder an idiot like you lived to be old enough to enroll in medicare.

Now tell me how you really feel.

Originally Posted by Guest

LOL? Why is that funny to you??

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Where did I say funny? Just like trump make things up.

Perhaps folks shouldn't have a "right" to $1 million of other people's money.
Besides which, the ACA never addressed the cost of healthcare. Only who was going to pay for it, and billions of dollars for crap like new streetlights.

Originally Posted by Guest

Perhaps folks shouldn't have a "right" to $1 million of other people's money.
Besides which, the ACA never addressed the cost of healthcare. Only who was going to pay for it, and billions of dollars for crap like new streetlights.

You mean the streetlights that those same minority poor people stole the copper wire from?

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I just wonder why a Healthcare bill has tax breaks for the rich hidden in it?

Originally Posted by Guest

I just wonder why a Healthcare bill has tax breaks for the rich hidden in it?

Because they wrote it? Or more accurately...had someone write it for them...the people who WORK for them...our lawmakers...our Congressmen.

Originally Posted by dimwitdave

Where did I say funny? Just like trump make things up.

Hey window licker, LOL stands for Laugh Out Loud. People LAUGH OUT LOUD to things they consider FUNNY.

Why do you think a delay in the new Healthcare program is funny??


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AARP, a group that advocates for senior citizens and other older Americans, shares her concern. The organization sent a letter to Congress yesterday saying the proposed bill would "dramatically increase health care costs for Americans aged 50-64."

Many seniors could face a significant increase in health care premiums, since insurance companies will be allowed to charge seniors five times as much as for younger people for a comparable plan. Under the current Affordable Care Act (ACA), insurers are limited to charging three times as much. The tax credits proposed in the AHCA, which would be dispensed mainly on the basis of age and income, would be smaller for older Americans compared with under the ACA, making insurance even more expensive for them.

"Taken together, premiums for older adults could increase by as much as $3,600 for a 55-year-old earning $25,000 a year, $7,000 for a 64-year-old earning $25,000 a year and up to $8,400 for a 64-year-old earning $15,000 a year," AARP said in its letter. The group said a typical senior seeking insurance on a state exchange has an annual income under $25,000.

Originally Posted by Guest

Here's a little nugget from the Bible for all you good Christian right wingers to ponder:

Matthew 25:35-40English Standard Version (ESV)

"35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,[a] you did it to me.’"

Need more? Here are some more:

What Does the Bible Say About Helping Those In Need?

No, I don't expect this to change your mind about helping each other, because your money and your political party are far more important to you than Christianity or humanity.

The Bible also says that if you don't work you don't eat.

There's a big difference between helping people who are temporarily in a bind and work hard to get out of it, or those who are permanently disabled or elderly and supporting a large percentage of the population who are just too lazy or under educated or irresponsible.

Originally Posted by Guest

AARP, a group that advocates for senior citizens and other older Americans, shares her concern. The organization sent a letter to Congress yesterday saying the proposed bill would "dramatically increase health care costs for Americans aged 50-64."

Many seniors could face a significant increase in health care premiums, since insurance companies will be allowed to charge seniors five times as much as for younger people for a comparable plan. Under the current Affordable Care Act (ACA), insurers are limited to charging three times as much. The tax credits proposed in the AHCA, which would be dispensed mainly on the basis of age and income, would be smaller for older Americans compared with under the ACA, making insurance even more expensive for them.

"Taken together, premiums for older adults could increase by as much as $3,600 for a 55-year-old earning $25,000 a year, $7,000 for a 64-year-old earning $25,000 a year and up to $8,400 for a 64-year-old earning $15,000 a year," AARP said in its letter. The group said a typical senior seeking insurance on a state exchange has an annual income under $25,000.

How much has the cost of healthcare gone up? The cost of an operation is higher now...an office visit costs more. EVERY part of healthcare costs more now than when we started making insurance payments. People use an average of $1 million in healthcare costs in a lifetime. That's 80 years, 960 monthly payments, of over $1000.

You could buy a car with very low payments in the 1960s...you can't get a NEW car today for that same payment because cars cost more today. Same with health insurance...the cost of healthcare has skyrocketed, the premiums must too.

Obamacare, subsidizing 50 million poor people, IS causing YOUR premiums to go up even more. You're getting the normal price inflation PLUS picking up a $ multi-billion albatross around your neck. We decided to support them...now we're stuck with ever increasing costs.

Should we all provide healthcare for everyone with NO responsibility on their part? They can be obese and slovenly, participate in dangerous activities...and WE pay 100% of their healthcare? The POOR, living on foodstamps and subsidized housing...ISN'T paying a cent for healthcare...we are.

It comes down to cost...CAN society afford to cover everyone, many for free, when it costs over $1000 a month per person?

Originally Posted by Guest

The Bible also says that if you don't work you don't eat.

There's a big difference between helping people who are temporarily in a bind and work hard to get out of it, or those who are permanently disabled or elderly and supporting a large percentage of the population who are just too lazy or under educated or irresponsible.

Or the REAL reason...another species. INCAPABLE of thriving in a modern society.

WHY are THEY...ALWAYS...at the very bottom socially? Financially? Intellectually?

Because they are NOT us...

Originally Posted by Guest

How much has the cost of healthcare gone up? The cost of an operation is higher now...an office visit costs more. EVERY part of healthcare costs more now than when we started making insurance payments. People use an average of $1 million in healthcare costs in a lifetime. That's 80 years, 960 monthly payments, of over $1000.

You could buy a car with very low payments in the 1960s...you can't get a NEW car today for that same payment because cars cost more today. Same with health insurance...the cost of healthcare has skyrocketed, the premiums must too.

Obamacare, subsidizing 50 million poor people, IS causing YOUR premiums to go up even more. You're getting the normal price inflation PLUS picking up a $ multi-billion albatross around your neck. We decided to support them...now we're stuck with ever increasing costs.

Should we all provide healthcare for everyone with NO responsibility on their part? They can be obese and slovenly, participate in dangerous activities...and WE pay 100% of their healthcare? The POOR, living on foodstamps and subsidized housing...ISN'T paying a cent for healthcare...we are.

It comes down to cost...CAN society afford to cover everyone, many for free, when it costs over $1000 a month per person?

Although a little blunt I believe you have captured the problem quite well. Now for the forum, how do we constructively address it.

Originally Posted by Guest

Bye Bye Obammacare, Good riddance!! My healthcare went from $750 a month to $1300 a month...I don't want to provide healthcare for the lazy!!

The problem cannot be solved because we want care but want someone else to pay for it.

There is so much information out there but it always comes from someone with a vested interest.

We refuse to deny medical care to anyone whether they are a citizen or not, whether they have insurance or not, whether they can prove the ability to pay or not. You only need insurance if you have assets to protect. Thus, if you have nothing no atty will go after you because even if he/she wins there is nothing to collect.

Our system is simply crazy. I was covered by AETNA when we first moved to the villages. The cost for two of us was 12,000 per year for two years till we could get onto medicare. I had considered self insuring it but..............
I spent four days in the villages hospital. The bill was 50,000. Aetna paid the bill in full at 20,000. If, I did not have insurance it would have cost me 50.000. As it was insurance the bill was paid for 20,000.
If, they would have billed me the 20,000 that AETNA would pay them, self insuring would be a viable option. Like any other business, those who pay also pay for those who do not pay-THEFT OF SERVICE.

With either insurance or the government paying for 80% of the medical care in the US-there is no reason to consider cost or other alternative, less expensive, alternatives.

I've read that lawsuits add 30% to the cost of medical care. We've done nothing to reduce this. Most people think the doctor, the hospital etc have deep pockets. If, a person is injured, even if they caused the injury themselves a jury will likely give them a huge reward. The atty and the accused know this so they will usually settle rather than go though a trial. Those awards are added into the high cost we pay for medical care.

The answer?????????????????????
For lawsuits-perhaps, a blind review by other doctors would work? Preventing huge awards because the injured party was young, personable, or reminded a juror of themselves or a family member.

For those that are irresponsible and do not have the ability to pay, WE WON'T BUT PERHAPS WE SHOULD SIMPLY DENY CARE.

Originally Posted by Guest

The problem cannot be solved because we want care but want someone else to pay for it.

There is so much information out there but it always comes from someone with a vested interest.

We refuse to deny medical care to anyone whether they are a citizen or not, whether they have insurance or not, whether they can prove the ability to pay or not. You only need insurance if you have assets to protect. Thus, if you have nothing no atty will go after you because even if he/she wins there is nothing to collect.

Our system is simply crazy. I was covered by AETNA when we first moved to the villages. The cost for two of us was 12,000 per year for two years till we could get onto medicare. I had considered self insuring it but..............
I spent four days in the villages hospital. The bill was 50,000. Aetna paid the bill in full at 20,000. If, I did not have insurance it would have cost me 50.000. As it was insurance the bill was paid for 20,000.
If, they would have billed me the 20,000 that AETNA would pay them, self insuring would be a viable option. Like any other business, those who pay also pay for those who do not pay-THEFT OF SERVICE.

With either insurance or the government paying for 80% of the medical care in the US-there is no reason to consider cost or other alternative, less expensive, alternatives.

I've read that lawsuits add 30% to the cost of medical care. We've done nothing to reduce this. Most people think the doctor, the hospital etc have deep pockets. If, a person is injured, even if they caused the injury themselves a jury will likely give them a huge reward. The atty and the accused know this so they will usually settle rather than go though a trial. Those awards are added into the high cost we pay for medical care.

The answer?????????????????????
For lawsuits-perhaps, a blind review by other doctors would work? Preventing huge awards because the injured party was young, personable, or reminded a juror of themselves or a family member.

For those that are irresponsible and do not have the ability to pay, WE WON'T BUT PERHAPS WE SHOULD SIMPLY DENY CARE.

Sue...we've disagreed in the past..but you're spot on.

Now...how are you going to break the news to the minorities? Half of them will receive no care. Medicaid goes away.

It MUST be done. We can't afford to give EVERYONE $10,000 a year in "free" healthcare insurance.

Originally Posted by Guest

Sue...we've disagreed in the past..but you're spot on.

Now...how are you going to break the news to the minorities? Half of them will receive no care. Medicaid goes away.

It MUST be done. We can't afford to give EVERYONE $10,000 a year in "free" healthcare insurance.

But that is exactly what Obamacare expects us to do.

Much complaining and gnashing of teeth occurs about the long waits at ER's across the country. When I asked them at TVRH why they could not just send the actual non-emergency patients via the shuttle or tell them to go over to The Villages Urgent Care, they said that it is because they have to treat patients regardless of whether they pay; they cannot be refused treatment at the ER. Urgent Care facilities can and do.