Originally Posted by ijusluvit

As usual, you delight on telling us why the glass is half-empty, or worse. This gratuitous thread with all those hot button words like 'soviet' and 'police state', and your hot button conclusions about the terrible loss of personal liberty could not be farther from what our real world is in 2012.

Instead of making a superficial, out of context commentary your cherished focus, why not recognize the way America is working today, and how remarkably good that is under the circumstances.

It is nothing short of miraculous that there has been no large scale domestic terrorist disaster in eleven years. Law enforcement agencies from coast to coast have recorded hundreds of 'near misses', many stopped only because of vigilance. You don't like vigilance because it means watching and listening, which the bad old authorities should never be able to BEGIN to do without court orders, warrants, etc. We've written lots of laws to protect our precious liberties, most before the requirement of urgent action to effectively combat sophisticated terrorism.

What you completely miss is all the other laws and the recourse we have if our precious liberties are 'violated'. We can complain, like the "T" riders did in Boston, and excesses stop. We can sue, and have our rights upheld, make a big pile of money for our clever lawyer, and a little pile for us! What a great country!!! Law enforcement agencies are obsessed with avoiding complaints and lawsuits. That keeps their 'police state' mentality in check. And when they are really professional and carefully record or video incidents, they expose the perp who hollers "police brutality" pulling the gun and firing off the first dozen rounds.

What you also completely miss is that the power to know everything through vigilance is our greatest protection. We need to have the most well developed information gathering capability possible.

Maybe I can make the big picture simpler for you. Would you rather have someone someone search your bag for 'no apparent reason' as you get on the subway, or spend a few months in the hospital with severe burns from the bomb?

Go ahead, choose. It's another one of your rights.

There seems to be a balance made between security and freedom. They are at odds between one another. Bush and Obama's teams have done fairly well with keeping us relatively safe since 9/11.

I agree with Tartelzac. No attacks on US soil since 9/11/2001. Let's keep up the good work!

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

Your first sentence reinforces your position as a charter member of the "Off-The-Wall Ridiculous Generalizations Club".

Your whole stance on this is just ignorant of reality, in my view.

You seem to think big government can do little wrong.

We'll have to try to save what freedoms we have in spite of you.

Originally Posted by buggyone

I agree with Tartelzac. No attacks on US soil since 9/11/2001. Let's keep up the good work!

Name just one; just one plot foiled by the TSA, and I'll shut up about them.

(hint) I won't be shutting up soon.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Your whole stance on this is just ignorant of reality, in my view.

You seem to think big government can do little wrong.

We'll have to try to save what freedoms we have in spite of you.

I've called you on your sweeping generalizations, for which you have no accurate, rational or factual reply.

What totally disgusts me about you is that in these situations you regularly act like the spoiled child with disparaging remarks about the persons whose ideas don't line up with yours. Your remarks above are simply designed to insult.

TOTV would be far better off without your egotistical grandstanding and ridicule of others.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Name just one; just one plot foiled by the TSA, and I'll shut up about them.

(hint) I won't be shutting up soon.

TSA: Information on Plot to Attack John F. Kennedy Airport

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2009...tsa-passengers

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/12/26/...led-since-911/

http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...-system-worked

None of these just involve the TSA but it looks like they did help in some of them.

This is of interest-- http://www.flyavp.com/safetyandsecuritytips.html

Why We Hate Airport Security | Psychology Today

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

TSA: Information on Plot to Attack John F. Kennedy Airport

Foiled terror plot aboard Northwest Flight 253 sparks strict security rules for air passengers - New York Daily News

Detroit Terror Plot Makes 28 Plots Foiled Since 9/11

30 Terrorist Plots Foiled: How the System Worked

None of these just involve the TSA but it looks like they did help in some of them.

This is of interest-- Safety & Security Tips

Nothing here validates the groping intrusions, and unconstitutional unwarranted searches of the TSA in increasing venues, and that's what I'm referring to. Unsubstantiated giving of credit to the TSA, amongst other agencies in the middle of a paragraph, does not impress me.

I guess I won't be shutting up soon.

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

I've called you on your sweeping generalizations, for which you have no accurate, rational or factual reply.

What totally disgusts me about you is that in these situations you regularly act like the spoiled child with disparaging remarks about the persons whose ideas don't line up with yours. Your remarks above are simply designed to insult.

TOTV would be far better off without your egotistical grandstanding and ridicule of others.

You're not grandstanding here?

Give me a break.

Read your own post above. Nothing I've said is a grotesquely rude as this.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

TSA: Information on Plot to Attack John F. Kennedy Airport

Foiled terror plot aboard Northwest Flight 253 sparks strict security rules for air passengers - New York Daily News

Detroit Terror Plot Makes 28 Plots Foiled Since 9/11

30 Terrorist Plots Foiled: How the System Worked

None of these just involve the TSA but it looks like they did help in some of them.

This is of interest-- Safety & Security Tips

As you note none of these involved the TSA in the slightest. SFO - The San Francisco airport has the most effective and lowest cost screening process of any major airport in the US. Why is it so different? The TSA is not involved and the work is being done by a private security company. When will we finally learn to listen to Peter Drucker who observed, "The only thing the government does well is to wage war."

Originally Posted by RichieLion

You're not grandstanding here?

Give me a break.

Read your own post above. Nothing I've said is a grotesquely rude as this.

The truth sometimes hurts doesn't it richie?

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

The truth sometimes hurts doesn't it richie?

??????????? Do you ever know what you're talking about??

You're even pathetic when you are trying to insult me.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Nothing here validates the groping intrusions, and unconstitutional unwarranted searches of the TSA in increasing venues, and that's what I'm referring to. Unsubstantiated giving of credit to the TSA, amongst other agencies in the middle of a paragraph, does not impress me.

I guess I won't be shutting up soon.

Richie - The groping intrusions may be why Sheila Jackson Lee wants the TSA involved. It may be the only way she will ever be touched by anyone.

Originally Posted by BBQMan

As you note none of these involved the TSA in the slightest. SFO - The San Francisco airport has the most effective and lowest cost screening process of any major airport in the US. Why is it so different? The TSA is not involved and the work is being done by a private security company. When will we finally learn to listen to Peter Drucker who observed, "The only thing the government does well is to wage war."

SFO - San Francisco International Airport - safety & security

The TSA has a contract with this company to provide private security, so I would say they are involved. http://covenantsecurity.com/sfo/

Would like to know where you are getting your statistics about the San Francisco Airport and its "most effective and lowest cost screening process". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Fra...tional_Airport


This is also of interest-- http://www.foxbusiness.com/travel/20...more-airports/

Originally Posted by Jim&Marge

Richie - The groping intrusions may be why Sheila Jackson Lee wants the TSA involved. It may be the only way she will ever be touched by anyone.

And Repubs criticize liberals for not addressing the issue. Just another example of Supidski tactics.