I did not want to include this in my post but what I found in the original post was "confirmation bias". In the original post posters were admonished not to bring religion into the conversation. I did not and will re-address that issue shortly.

However by virtue of the fact that the original post asked religion not to be included in opinions clearly denotes that references to God's/Bible's word has no validity. Ergo, if you are one of those church going obedient to Ten Commandment types your opinion is flawed, your opinion is dismissed because you believe in fairy tales....or something to that effect.

Recognizing that bias was implanted in the original post my references were from a historical prospective. Regardless of whether you believe in God, Bible, religion, etc the bible certainly can be viewed, once again, from a historical point of view from the people living during those times. Whether in the old testament or new throughout the ages men/women recording events of their time made it clear that homosexuality was frowned upon and found to be of deviate behavior.

I am not inclined to teach my grandchildren that homosexuality is an OK thing when every fiber of my body tells me it is against nature and no one has to even bring God's word into the conversation just simply compare the physical anatomy of man and woman and you can recognize the complementary nature of the sexes Whether that difference was an act of God or an act of nature is a personal choice but that significant and wonderful difference is a fact that cannot be dismissed.

Respectively submitted

Originally Posted by rubicon

I did not want to include this in my post but what I found in the original post was "confirmation bias". In the original post posters were admonished not to bring religion into the conversation. I did not and will re-address that issue shortly.

However by virtue of the fact that the original post asked religion not to be included in opinions clearly denotes that references to God's/Bible's word has no validity. Ergo, if you are one of those church going obedient to Ten Commandment types your opinion is flawed, your opinion is dismissed because you believe in fairy tales....or something to that effect.

Recognizing that bias was implanted in the original post my references were from a historical prospective. Regardless of whether you believe in God, Bible, religion, etc the bible certainly can be viewed, once again, from a historical point of view from the people living during those times. Whether in the old testament or new throughout the ages men/women recording events of their time made it clear that homosexuality was frowned upon and found to be of deviate behavior.

I am not inclined to teach my grandchildren that homosexuality is an OK thing when every fiber of my body tells me it is against nature and no one has to even bring God's word into the conversation just simply compare the physical anatomy of man and woman and you can recognize the complementary nature of the sexes Whether that difference was an act of God or an act of nature is personal choice but that significant and wonderful difference is a fact that cannot be dismissed.

Respectively submitted

EXCELLENT post !!!

Still praying for everyone....

My Oh My. Such intolerance and bigotry.


I will pray for the intolerant to find it in their heart to love thy neighbor.

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

My Oh My. Such intolerance and bigotry.


I will pray for the intolerant to find it in their heart to love thy neighbor.

Praying for your soul and salvation...

Do the posters on here believe that a civil wedding performed by a judge or a justice of the peace between two straight people (man and woman) is a real marriage or does it have to be performed in a church to be a real marriage?

As far as I know, every state recognizes a civil wedding as a real marriage for all legal rights. This has NOTHING to do with a church.

Why not allow a gay or lesbian couple the same legal rights as a straight couple for civil weddings?

Originally Posted by tucson

Praying for your soul and salvation...

LOL I'll drink to that.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Do the posters on here believe that a civil wedding performed by a judge or a justice of the peace between two straight people (man and woman) is a real marriage or does it have to be performed in a church to be a real marriage?

As far as I know, every state recognizes a civil wedding as a real marriage for all legal rights. This has NOTHING to do with a church.

Why not allow a gay or lesbian couple the same legal rights as a straight couple for civil weddings?

Probably depends on the religion/culture/ethnicity of the people getting married whether or not you need a church wedding.

The US Constitution's Freedom of Religion clause should protect churches from having to perform weddings that do not agree with their various doctrines. There are various churches that perform gay wedding ceremonies.

Originally Posted by tucson

Praying for your soul and salvation...

No bigotry here such religious intolerance...we all should pray to our own gods for salvation.

Originally Posted by cologal

No bigotry here such religious intolerance...we all should pray to our own gods for salvation.

Speaking of bigotry.

Black couple denied wedding in Mississippi : Multicultural Beat

Well well well you knew it was coming. I expressed it in my original post that "bigotry" would be introduced when someone expressed an opinion in opposition. This country is idealogically ,widely divided, so that not only is there not much that opponents agree upon ,disagreement signals a reason for resentment , insult and much disdain.

Originally Posted by rubicon

Well well well you knew it was coming. I expressed it in my original post that "bigotry" would be introduced when someone expressed an opinion in opposition. This country is ideologically ,widely divided, so that not only is there not much that opponents agree upon ,disagreement signals a reason for resentment , insult and much disdain.

As, I think, you are addressing my post. If you think that bigotry was out of line how about the religious intolerance of praying for our souls....abit those of us who oppossed their postition?

I do see opposition to gay civil unions as bigotry...just my opinion.

Originally Posted by cologal

As, I think, you are addressing my post. If you think that bigotry was out of line how about the religious intolerance of praying for our souls....abit those of us who oppossed their postition?

I do see opposition to gay civil unions as bigotry...just my opinion.

Yea, the praying for my salvation from who knows who made me laugh. One you should not joke about that and I also see it as bigotry when it comes to opposition to Gay Union of any kind. Theres nothing like the holier than tho attitude.

Originally Posted by cologal

As, I think, you are addressing my post. If you think that bigotry was out of line how about the religious intolerance of praying for our souls....abit those of us who oppossed their postition?

I do see opposition to gay civil unions as bigotry...just my opinion.

cologal: I was not addressing your post and if my last post left you with that impression then I do feel badly about it. My reference to the bigotry issue was intended as a general comment based simply on the number of posts I counted with the word "bigot, bigotry in them. What is it about our society today that if one is in disagreement there is a need to label them "a bigot" "a racist", etc. One can be against same sex activity and the same sex agenda which by the way is purposely be pushed by the liberal factions in our country, and not be bigoted. But in an effort to stop pushing back by oppponents the liberal left resorts to calling opponents bigots as they disingeniously did against Chick fil A

I am personally opposed to the practice of "menage a trois'" considering it being deviate behavior as well as child pedophiles and promiscuity would you also call me bigoted here.

The liberals on this thread cried intolerence yet those who shared a religious view were ridiculed and mocked.

Should I embrace those groups that are demanding the legitimacy of men-boy relationships. Where does society draw the line?

One reason some posters cited religion/God is because of their deep seated belief in the traditional family as a unit (father, mother, children) and the concept of traditional family is set deep in religion.

I hope this has explained any misconceptions about my intent in the previous post.

Personal Best Regards"

Originally Posted by tucson

The One and Only True God The Father of Jesus Christ who came to earth to save all of mankind from their sins. (you're talking about the false god's) Read the what the Bible says re; homosexuality. Lev.18:22-24 , Lev.20:13, Lev.22:18,24

OK let's look at Leviticus. Your quote is there!
Homosexuality is an abomination to God. 18:22

Oh Oh, what do we do with this?...
Children who curse their parents, adulterers, and homosexuals must be killed. 20:9-12


And the rest of the gory details:

God kills Aaron's sons for offering "strange fire before the Lord." 10:1-2
Hares are unclean since they chew the cud. 11:6
Bats are just unclean birds. 11:13,19
Four-legged birds are an abomination to God. 11:20
Insects have four legs. 11:21, 23
Baby girls are twice as dirty as baby boys. 12:1-8
Menstruating women are unclean to God. 15:19-30
Don't look at any naked menstruating women. 18:19
Don't mix seeds when sowing a field or wear a garment with mixed fibers. 19:19
If you have sex with a slave woman, you must then scourge her. 19:20
Don't round the corners of your head or mar the corners of your beard. 19:27
Woman with "familiar spirits" must be stoned to death. 20:27
The unchaste daughters of priests must be burnt to death. 21:9
Handicapped people must not approach the altar. 21:16-23
God's 14th Killing:
A man curses and blasphemes while disputing with another man. Moses asks God what to do about it. God says that the whole community must stone him to death. "And the children of Israel did as the Lord and Moses commanded." 24:10-23
God's instructions for buying slaves. 25:45-46
"Ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it." 26:16
God will "send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children." 26:22
"And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat." 26:29
God places a dollar value on human life; women are worth less (50 - 60%) than men. 27:3-7


Yikkes!