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Old 10-26-2015, 06:03 AM
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Did Bush torture?
Bush did not.
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I'm sure you are MORE (or less) knowledgeable than the committee that hammered Hilary for 11 hours to NO avail!....Give it up.. and get ready for the First Female President
You are obviously ignorant and should refrain from posting until you understand what is being discussed.

No one "hammered Hilary" about her illegal use of an unauthorized server or her mishandling of classified material. That is an investigation being conducted by the FBI. And yes, I do know more than most in congress regarding the State Dept regulations and Federal Law pertaining to handling of classified material. I have briefed and debriefed cleared personnel as well as handled diplomatic pouch, and worked in a vaulted area (SCIF). I do know that she blatantly violated federal law and put national security at risk. Unlike you, I do not worship celebrity politicians, including the president. I took my job very seriously, unlike the casual attitude liberals have with America's national security.
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OK so some are prepared to give her an 'A' for her PERFORMANCE!

What does that have to do with her being a liar, unethical, untrustworthy, self serving, crony politician.

Notice since the grilling she has given up her matron uniforms; lottsa more make up; laughs a lot trying to avoid the cackle; even takeing selfies with the little people. She is now in the fool as many as possible while the media isolates her from ANY negative commentary to get her numbers back up.

It is sorta like cleaning up Charles Manson, put him in a new suit, have him smile a lot, take selfies with everyone and have the media say what a great guy he is.

What do you have? The same Charles Manson!

What do we have? SAme old Clinton!
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Old 10-26-2015, 11:17 AM
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Water boarding IS torture....GW Bush authorized the use of water boarding so

Bush used torture..... Well documented.
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You are obviously ignorant and should refrain from posting until you understand what is being discussed.

No one "hammered Hilary" about her illegal use of an unauthorized server or her mishandling of classified material. That is an investigation being conducted by the FBI. And yes, I do know more than most in congress regarding the State Dept regulations and Federal Law pertaining to handling of classified material. I have briefed and debriefed cleared personnel as well as handled diplomatic pouch, and worked in a vaulted area (SCIF). I do know that she blatantly violated federal law and put national security at risk. Unlike you, I do not worship celebrity politicians, including the president. I took my job very seriously, unlike the casual attitude liberals have with America's national security.
...and we should listen to a Federal employee drone, why? Weren't you slopping at the public trough for your 30 years producing absolutely no product?
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...and we should listen to a Federal employee drone, why? Weren't you slopping at the public trough for your 30 years producing absolutely no product?
Despite your unsubstantiated, non relative personal attack, maybe just maybe because he knows what he is talking about.

And why would you talk in such a disparaging, sleazy way about ALL government workers ?

SO...why should we listen to a person who demonizes a group of people in such an offensive and stupid manner ?
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Water boarding IS torture....GW Bush authorized the use of water boarding so

Bush used torture..... Well documented.
Bush did NOT torture. You asked if Bush tortured anyone. He didn't. And beside, I really don't care. We've been using means of torture throughout history to get information and water boarding was the least harmful of the ones that I know of. And yes, they did torture in Vietnam. And who's war was that? If you think that water boarding is something, then you should see what hatpins under the thumb nail is like, or electric shock from a crank telephone, or throwing one of two prisoners out a helicopter door. But, nice diversion. Liberals will do anything to divert from the topic when it does not bode favorable for them.

Most of America would give just about anything to swap our Obama for a return to Bush. If you don't believe me, check the polls.
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...and we should listen to a Federal employee drone, why? Weren't you slopping at the public trough for your 30 years producing absolutely no product?
Yes, we have seen your "product" as you were flipping them at Burger King and asking "would you like fries with your burger?"
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Bush did NOT torture. You asked if Bush tortured anyone. He didn't. And beside, I really don't care. We've been using means of torture throughout history to get information and water boarding was the least harmful of the ones that I know of. And yes, they did torture in Vietnam. And who's war was that? If you think that water boarding is something, then you should see what hatpins under the thumb nail is like, or electric shock from a crank telephone, or throwing one of two prisoners out a helicopter door. But, nice diversion. Liberals will do anything to divert from the topic when it does not bode favorable for them.

Most of America would give just about anything to swap our Obama for a return to Bush. If you don't believe me, check the polls.
You have lost all credibility....you admit that the Bush Administration used torture during the middle east war. The United States signed at least 2 treaties against torture which we turned around and violated.

You know he tortured but you just don't care....your bad.

If the population wanted to return to the Bush era they would not have elected Obama twice.
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You have lost all credibility....you admit that the Bush Administration used torture during the middle east war. The United States signed at least 2 treaties against torture which we turned around and violated.

You know he tortured but you just don't care....your bad.

If the population wanted to return to the Bush era they would not have elected Obama twice.
I am conflicted on this subject frankly.

It is easy at this time to be all holier than thou about it, and "Monday Morning Quarterback" everything that happened at that time, in those years.

I am shocked as well and certainly do not condone torture.

BUT, I also have recall of how our country felt on Sept 12, 2001. I recall the mood of our country for years after these attacks, and I WILL NEVER LOSE THAT FEELING.

I do, however understand the condemnation of the practices.

I offer two links for everyone to read; In 2014, a report was declassified and the link below is from the NY Times on that report

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/10/wo...port-says.html

NPR also did a report which I attach.....

'Torture Report': A Closer Look At When And What President Bush Knew : The Two-Way : NPR

i think it is one of those issues that will NEVER be black and white...always be gray. Over the years it has become a political football, but interesting that the "football" is only mentioned by the minions on political forums and very seldom mentioned by politicians except in general tones.

I would never object to anyone criticizing nor defending any practices done at that time....I WILL NEVER FORGET HOW I FELT.

In any case, I do not see any substance now, except as a lesson from history.

This country and others violate many many agreements during administrations of both parties and we can only hope that due diligence was used by everyone involved.

Getting involved in this simply leads to analyzing drone strikes, etc.
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Old 10-26-2015, 05:36 PM
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You have lost all credibility....you admit that the Bush Administration used torture during the middle east war. The United States signed at least 2 treaties against torture which we turned around and violated.

You know he tortured but you just don't care....your bad.

If the population wanted to return to the Bush era they would not have elected Obama twice.
Bush did not torture. Perhaps someone did waterboard during his administration, but he didn't. You said he did. He didn't.

Now, as for torture in times of war. It has been going on behind the scenes throughout history. I am writing real slow so that you will be able to read it. Liberals are always protected, like they were by their mommies, and do not think that the world has any bad people in it.

Yes, I would torture a prisoner IF I thought I could save lives by doing so. Sorry if the offends your sensitivities, but that is life in the real world. If you think any other countries adhere to rules of war, then you are very, very naive.

So, get over it. Now, quit trying to divert from the theme of the thread. You do this all the time because you are ignorant of facts and have nothing to contribute to the conversation. In that case, you really should just sit back and read and learn.

Now, repeat after me "would you like fries with your burger?"
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Old 10-26-2015, 05:40 PM
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Water boarding IS torture....GW Bush authorized the use of water boarding so

Bush used torture..... Well documented.
SO???? What's that got to do with Clinton? Why don't you liberals stay on the topic and quit trying to set traps? Or, go back to your video games.
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I am conflicted on this subject frankly.

It is easy at this time to be all holier than thou about it, and "Monday Morning Quarterback" everything that happened at that time, in those years.

I am shocked as well and certainly do not condone torture.

BUT, I also have recall of how our country felt on Sept 12, 2001. I recall the mood of our country for years after these attacks, and I WILL NEVER LOSE THAT FEELING.

I do, however understand the condemnation of the practices.

I offer two links for everyone to read; In 2014, a report was declassified and the link below is from the NY Times on that report

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/10/wo...port-says.html

NPR also did a report which I attach.....

'Torture Report': A Closer Look At When And What President Bush Knew : The Two-Way : NPR

i think it is one of those issues that will NEVER be black and white...always be gray. Over the years it has become a political football, but interesting that the "football" is only mentioned by the minions on political forums and very seldom mentioned by politicians except in general tones.

I would never object to anyone criticizing nor defending any practices done at that time....I WILL NEVER FORGET HOW I FELT.

In any case, I do not see any substance now, except as a lesson from history.

This country and others violate many many agreements during administrations of both parties and we can only hope that due diligence was used by everyone involved.

Getting involved in this simply leads to analyzing drone strikes, etc.
I appreciate your response....I too will never forget that feeling, one of my great nieces, who worked in the WTC, was missing for many hours after attack and my family feared she was gone.

My position on torture is forged by the fact I have family currently in the services, I would not want them to be tortured...when we don't torture at least we have the moral high ground. We have lost that.
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Bush did not torture. Perhaps someone did waterboard during his administration, but he didn't. You said he did. He didn't.

Now, as for torture in times of war. It has been going on behind the scenes throughout history. I am writing real slow so that you will be able to read it. Liberals are always protected, like they were by their mommies, and do not think that the world has any bad people in it.

Yes, I would torture a prisoner IF I thought I could save lives by doing so. Sorry if the offends your sensitivities, but that is life in the real world. If you think any other countries adhere to rules of war, then you are very, very naive.

So, get over it. Now, quit trying to divert from the theme of the thread. You do this all the time because you are ignorant of facts and have nothing to contribute to the conversation. In that case, you really should just sit back and read and learn.

Now, repeat after me "would you like fries with your burger?"
Geezer, you are really out of it right now. Must be that "sun downing" effect with your dementia.

I could never learn facts from the likes of you and your geriatric Gang of Three.

As the head of his administration, Bush did torture people. It happened under his watch. Obama did not personally bin Laden but it happened on his watch.

Ooo, have your nurse change your soiled Depends.
 

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