While doing a bit of research for my previous post, I ran across something else that kinda turned my stomach.

I was looking for something appropriate to respond to the link about a muslim killing 5 family members because they didn't convert. I ran across plenty of articles about Christian serial killers..

Then I found this page: WARNING - it's not pleasant. No graphic images or anything like that - it's a forum so it's just words.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=28839

This is an example of Christianity that turns my stomach. My wife is sleeping right now but I've talked to her about those types of preachers and she, who is VERY Christian, doesn't care for them in the least.

The gist of the thread is how Jeffrey Dahmer is in heaven. The very first line above a picture of Dahmer in an orange prison suit is:

"In Memory of our Loving Christian Brother
Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer
1960 - 1994"

The author is Reverend Jim Osbourne, "True Christian Televangelist", "Director of Fundraising and Tithing" and his avatar has next to it "On the lookout for wife #6".

I don't know what was scarier - this guy or "Nobar King's" response:

Rev. Jim, I find it difficult to accept Jeffery Dahmer into the brotherhood of True Christians, but if you say that he's OK, I'll believe you. We Christians need to stick together in order to maintain the strength of our faith.

Of course, Rev. Jim gave no proof of Dahmer's cellblock conversion.

He says Dahmer was no longer gay in prison and that he attended Bible study. You know, 'officially' gay sex doesn't happen in prisons but everyone from a warden to Tim Allen will tell you otherwise.

Here's another quote from Iowa's Reverend Jim later in the thread:

All of Dahmer's victims were unsaved trash. While what he did in itself was wrong, we can console ourselves by knowing he was removing homosexuals from society. Don't forget also that most of his victims were godless negroes or budda-worshipping chinks.

You ask about people who justify murdering abortion clinic bombers or praise abortion doctor assasins? THIS guy is one of them.

I'm tempted to say thank god most Christians are NOT like this!!! I mean, no matter how much I might disagree with some of the members on this board, I don't think *ANY* of them are at the lunacy level of this guy. Not even CLOSE.

But, for those of you arch-conservatives who wonder why some are afraid of Christianity or mistrustful? THIS guy is certainly an example.

Difference is that Christianity's official doctrines do not support what these so called Christians did. Islam has conversion or death as a major doctrine. Read the Quaran...

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

Difference is that Christianity's official doctrines do not support what these so called Christians did. Islam has conversion or death as a major doctrine. Read the Quaran...

Exactly right.

Have either of you read the entire Koran or are you taking someone's viewpoint of a portion as your standing? It probably needs to be completely read and studied before making a blanket statement.

Remember the Old Testament of the Bible had God being a vengeful force and the New Testament has God being a merciful being.

Remember also some of the things done in Christian's names. There was the Spanish Inquisition where you either had to convert to Catholicism or be tortured to death. The Crusades are another example. The religious (Christian) intolerance in the early colonies in America where supposed witches were drowned or burned. St. Joan of Orleans was burned as a witch in the name of Christianity.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Have either of you read the entire Koran or are you taking someone's viewpoint of a portion as your standing? It probably needs to be completely read and studied before making a blanket statement.

Remember the Old Testament of the Bible had God being a vengeful force and the New Testament has God being a merciful being.

Remember also some of the things done in Christian's names. There was the Spanish Inquisition where you either had to convert to Catholicism or be tortured to death. The Crusades are another example. The religious (Christian) intolerance in the early colonies in America where supposed witches were drowned or burned. St. Joan of Orleans was burned as a witch in the name of Christianity.

We're living in the present, Buggy. Save your history lesson for another thread. In the world of the present Katz is exactly right. Islam preaches death to unbelievers, in the present. Christianity does not, but preaches to love your enemies. Come to the present, Buggy.

While I have not read the either Bible or the Quaran in their entirety, I have read most of both...Why wouldn't I? How else would one make an informed choice to follow or not? I also would hesitate to speak about something that I had not learned about. The message of the Bible is grace and mercy and freedom to choose/or not choose God's love. The message in the Quaran is submission or death, conversion or death, you get the idea. Islam means "voluntary submission to Allah" but knowing the alternative, I am not sure how voluntary that submission is...
Richielion says it best=Islam preaches death to unbelievers, in the present. Christianity does not, but preaches to love your enemies.

I for one have read the Koran completely several times. It is what it is and Muslims are what they are. Good Muslims if they follow the Koran and the several hadith which I've also read, feel compelled by their God who by the way it's supposed to be a God of Abraham to convert us to Islam or kill us.

They believe that to die while killing a Jew will get into heaven with great rewards of milk honey and black-eyed virgins. 72 of them nonetheless.

It is not the average lousy Moslem that we need to fear is the "good Muslim"that scares the hell out of me.

Just some thoughts

Originally Posted by CMANN

I for one have read the Koran completely several times. It is what it is and Muslims are what they are. Good Muslims if they follow the Koran and the several hadith which I've also read, feel compelled by their God who by the way it's supposed to be a God of Abraham to convert us to Islam or kill us.

They believe that to die while killing a Jew will get into heaven with great rewards of milk honey and black-eyed virgins. 72 of them nonetheless.

It is not the average lousy Moslem that we need to fear is the "good Muslim"that scares the hell out of me.

Just some thoughts

In the mind of a true Muslim:::::::
If you select FREEDOM OF RELIGION YOU DIE
If you practice FREEDOM OF SPEACH YOU DIE
If you are a WOMEN and not submissive YOU DIE

Wake up America.

Katx, Richie: You *are* aware that it's many of St. Paul's writings that so-called Christians use to justify their hate and violence, yes?

There's a bumper sticker out there that I rather like.

"I love Jesus too - it's some of his fan club that scares me".

Originally Posted by The Villager II

In the mind of a true Muslim:::::::
If you select FREEDOM OF RELIGION YOU DIE
If you practice FREEDOM OF SPEACH YOU DIE
If you are a WOMEN and not submissive YOU DIE

Wake up America.

Odd how no Muslim I've ever met espoused those views.

Originally Posted by djplong

Katx, Richie: You *are* aware that it's many of St. Paul's writings that so-called Christians use to justify their hate and violence, yes?

Are you referring to the writings of St. Paul, Paul the Apostle before his coversion to Christianity or after?

Originally Posted by djplong

Odd how no Muslim I've ever met espoused those views.

Interesting how your initial reaction to seemingly all these conversations concerning Christianity and Islam, is to challenge the Christian, but defend the Islamist teachings.

Do you or do you not agree that the current teachings of Christianity do not demand the conversion of, or death of if refused, adherence to it's edicts as the current and present teachings of Islam?

You have Muslim friends who say they wouldn't kill you even though their practiced religion teaches it? How nice; who else do they speak for?

Sorry, Richie, I know my reaction makes it look that way.

Yes, of course there are Islamic teachers inculcating hatred.

There are also so-called Christians doing the same thing.

Of course it's simple reality to note that the percentage of Islamists doing that (compared to the general population) is much higher than Christians.

It is also my OPINION that Islam is about 700 years behind Chistianity in 'maturing' - and by that I mean 'growing up' and doing things like policing their own. Christianity got a head start, if you take my meaning. 700 years ago, Christianity bore little resemblance to what is known and accepted today.

I'll be honest and admit I have no Musling *friends*, though I worked with many up until a few years ago and have one or two workplace acquaintences here.

That being said, the only person who said he wanted to kill my ex-wife on religious grounds was a Christian who ran a Christian BBS (called The Nor'Easter) in Londonderry NH back in the early 1990s. She has received no such threats from any Muslim. He quotes the Biblical passage "Thou Shalt Not Suffer A Witch To Live" (Exodus 22:18)

I *really* wish I was making that up.

Just to be sure - I'm not defending Islamist teachings. I'm defending the majority of Muslims (at least in this country) who do not practice said teachings.

I'm curious, what would the (seemingly) anti-Muslim among you do to/with the 6+ million Muslims in the U.S.? What would you hope to see happen to these people?

...and to just tack on to Old Coach Ed's post - what would you propose doing if a sizable bloc (let's say 2,000) Muslims bought land adjacent to The Villages on 466A, built homes, built an Islamic school, and a good sized mosque? They then decide to come to Lake Sumter Landing just about every night for the evening entertainment as a group. How welcome would you make them feel?