Originally Posted by Xavier

I remember it well. Coming from a small college town in Pennsylvania where Catholics were a minority, it was never an issue until that election. Walking with my life-long friends to a Science Fair at the college, my friends started spieling out the hatred that they heard from their parents at home. As a teenager it really shocked me and brought a realization how narrow minded and hateful people can be to make whatever they support look better by making someone or something look worse. It happens here in this forum a lot.

In this same small town we had no blacks or any people of color. When I went into the Navy at 17 years old, I soon found out what real hatred and bigotry was. It remains today in many ways. It sometimes is masked a little better. I'm just saying.....

Xavier

I lived in a small town in Northern New Jersey....

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

True or not...you tell me.

"The Arabic school textbooks which show children how to chop off hands and feet under Sharia law"


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1heYbocXk
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...haria-law.html

So doesn't the Bible say these things:

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Cologal,

Try as one might, you cannot reason with bigotry - and that is exactly what most of this is - just plain ignorance and bigotry.

We could go all the way back to when the cave man dragged his woman around by the hair.

What matters is what is the situation today? Aren't we glad some species of the human race have eveolved to the point we no longer do what was done in days of old in practice or in religious records.

Other members of the human race have "elected" not to evolve from past practice or religious records. And that is fine......... as long as their mission is not to take over other entities/lives of others. And I am not stating that any one or another does or does not. Simply that it exists.

btk

Originally Posted by billethkid

We could go all the way back to when the cave man dragged his woman around by the hair.

What matters is what is the situation today? Aren't we glad some species of the human race have evolved to the point we no longer do what was done in days of old in practice or in religious records.

Other members of the human race have "elected" not to evolve from past practice or religious records. And that is fine......... as long as their mission is not to take over other entities/lives of others. And I am not stating that any one or another does or does not. Simply that it exists.

btk

Thanks for the comment as it is a part of my point. The other part is that religion is practiced by man and as we are human sometimes we can we led astray. Anything taken to an extreme leads to trouble.

Originally Posted by cologal

So doesn't the Bible say these things:

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Are you Christian? I can't imagine any Christian believing that the things you say are being taught, or have been taught for the past several hundred years or so.

I've lived as a Christian for 62 years now and have never in all my education and instruction or religious retreat been instructed in the antiquated views you mention. Were you taught these things?

You try to hard to equate ancient Christian beliefs that have been discarded by modern Christianity with the present day call for slaughter of infidels, particularly Jews, that the Islamic religion demands of it's adherents as we speak.

I wish I knew the value of this self-hating rhetoric.

Fervent and faithful followers of the tenets of modern day Islam are guilty of the murder of at least 39 Christians and the maiming of many more in the bombing attacks of a Catholic Church on Christianity's holiest day of the year in Nigeria.

Need I say more?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20111226/D9RS4CC00.html

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Are you Christian? I can't imagine any Christian believing that the things you say are being taught, or have been taught for the past several hundred years or so.

I've lived as a Christian for 62 years now and have never in all my education and instruction or religious retreat been instructed in the antiquated views you mention. Were you taught these things?

You try to hard to equate ancient Christian beliefs that have been discarded by modern Christianity with the present day call for slaughter of infidels, particularly Jews, that the Islamic religion demands of it's adherents as we speak.

I wish I knew the value of this self-hating rhetoric.

Richie....

Do they exist in the Bible...yes they do and parts of the old testament are still being used today against minorities. I can still see the signs about mixing the tribes in the school desegregation protests in the 60's. How about the bible being used against homosexuals. All of that is in the last 62 years.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Fervent and faithful followers of the tenets of modern day Islam are guilty of the murder of at least 39 Christians and the maiming of many more in the bombing attacks of a Catholic Church on Christianity's holiest day of the year in Nigeria.

Need I say more?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20111226/D9RS4CC00.html

Back at ya....

http://atheistoasis.wordpress.com/20...ms-in-nigeria/

Originally Posted by cologal

I lived in a small town in Northern New Jersey....

I do not recall Catholics being accused of murder, chopping off of heads or killing those who did not believe in the Pope during the Kennedy run for President !!!! Whether in this country or not.

Originally Posted by cologal

Back at ya....

http://atheistoasis.wordpress.com/20...ms-in-nigeria/

I have to admit I've never seen this story and am surprised that Christians are hitting back at Islamists. I don't condone the killing of innocents which is very typical of Islamists and in this isolated case of Christians acting likewise. (Yes, "isolated") It is not the Christian way to seek revenge this way.

It's on your own conscience to continue to equate modern day Christian teachings with modern day Islamist teachings. I think it rather sad.

Originally Posted by cologal

So doesn't the Bible say these things:

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

You have quoted the Old Testament... The laws in the Old Testament were given to show us that no one can live by the Law and show us our need for someone to take our place in the punishment. That is why Jesus came. He fullfilled the Law and took our punishment. In exchange, He give us the gift of eternal life, that we could never achieve, through obedience to the Law, on our own.
Please quote the New Testament where you see promotion of literal punishments for sin/breaking the law. Doubt you will find it as it is pure good news and mercy.
Can you find this kind of unconditional love, mercy and grace in exchange for just punishment in the Quaran?

it seems to me that all religions are used by MAN to promote violence against non-believers and Christianity is no different. I really do not think that God was real happy with the crusades the Spanish Inquisition or the slaughter of native Americans in the name of converting the pagans to the true religion. I think the same can be said of the Islamic God,dont think he is too happy either . I guess what I'm saying is once humans get involved we will find a way to screw up what should be a simple exercise in belief.

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

You have quoted the Old Testament... The laws in the Old Testament were given to show us that no one can live by the Law and show us our need for someone to take our place in the punishment. That is why Jesus came. He fullfilled the Law and took our punishment. In exchange, He give us the gift of eternal life, that we could never achieve, through obedience to the Law, on our own.
Please quote the New Testament where you see promotion of literal punishments for sin/breaking the law. Doubt you will find it as it is pure good news and mercy.
Can you find this kind of unconditional love, mercy and grace in exchange for just punishment in the Quaran?

I have need read the Koran so I cannot comment. I respect your beliefs as I also respect the faiths of others. It is why I get upset when I say Happy Holidays and get accused of taking Christ out of Christmas...I have Jewish friends as well.

Originally Posted by waynet

it seems to me that all religions are used by MAN to promote violence against non-believers and Christianity is no different. I really do not think that God was real happy with the crusades the Spanish Inquisition or the slaughter of native Americans in the name of converting the pagans to the true religion. I think the same can be said of the Islamic God,dont think he is too happy either . I guess what I'm saying is once humans get involved we will find a way to screw up what should be a simple exercise in belief.