Originally Posted by MLGBT

Twist it all you wish but he/she said that they are paying NO FEDERAL INCOME TAX. That's really not too hard to understand, even if you do insist on twisting it to your agenda. Payroll taxes for SS and Medicare is not included in Federal INCOME taxes in this conversation.

Let me add a little more to it. A family of four making middle income wages of about $50K per year will pay NO Federal Income tax.

Gawd, facts really, really pi$$ you off...don't they?

Originally Posted by Guest

The real ha ha ha is the fact we elect the same 435 house members that spend all this money every two years. We over pay them, inflate their worth much more than it actual is, and give them a level of respect much higher than they earn. I still say a balanced budget with all having some skin in the game is what we need. It is true 47 percent of us do not pay federal income taxes and many get a refund of taxes they didn't pay. Why would that 47% ever vote for any kind of austerity measure?

Yes...we KEEP electing the same old corrupt trash...Ds and Rs...I don't know why, but we as a people, can't seem to stop doing it. We're voting for our own demise. We vote for crooks who steal from us for their friends.

WHAT will you cut? Defense? SS and medicare for people who contributed to society all their lives? Or welfare? Welfare is a cool $trillion a year. Going to what? Hungry violent mouths who hate us because we're better than they are?

They DO pay taxes...everything they buy has been taxed at every level of production. Sometimes half the price of an item is tax. They don't pay income tax because they don't make enough to meet the minimum level to be taxed.

Originally Posted by Guest

Let me help you out here.

That 47% you speak of, doesn't pay 'personal income tax'...but they certainly pay taxes.

IN FACT, they pay a MUCH HIGHER PERCENTAGE of their income to taxes, both federal and state through payroll/Social Security/gas/sales/etc./etc.)...than you probably do.

Forbes Welcome


So please, stop spreading these right-wing lies.

Thank you and deepest regards & wishes.

Yes they do...you are correct. Everyone who shops and buys things pay tax. Utilities charge tax. Pretty much everything is taxed.

BUT they DON'T pay a whole class of taxes...income taxes. Because as I said earlier...they don't make the minimum income to be taxed. They USE tax dollars...they're a net DRAIN on the economy because they don't contribute as mush as those who DO pay income tax...and they're more likely to be using "free" government services and welfare.

You have A fact correct, but you fail to interpret it correctly. YOU are the one being disingenuous and misleading. Implying they pay "equally" as far as paying taxes is concerned, when they do not. They pay SOME taxes...but not as much as a typical white family who IS saddled with paying income tax.

Originally Posted by Guest

Twist it all you wish but he/she said that they are paying NO FEDERAL INCOME TAX. That's really not too hard to understand, even if you do insist on twisting it to your agenda. Payroll taxes for SS and Medicare is not included in Federal INCOME taxes in this conversation.

Let me add a little more to it. A family of four making middle income wages of about $50K per year will pay NO Federal Income tax.

She does twist it. They pay SOME tax but not ALL that a typical white family would. Income tax can be many thousands per year. It's funny how ALL it does is pay the interest on the $20 trillion debt.

Originally Posted by Guest

Gawd, facts really, really pi$$ you off...don't they?

No...your interpreting facts wrong does.

Originally Posted by Guest

Gawd, facts really, really pi$$ you off...don't they?

No, TROLLS amuse me. For a minute there, I thought you might even be interested in an honest discussion. I was mistaken, because you were just attempting to bait someone in to get attention.

Originally Posted by Guest

No, TROLLS amuse me. For a minute there, I thought you might even be interested in an honest discussion. I was mistaken, because you were just attempting to bait someone in to get attention.

Yeah, yeah, I get it.

Posting actual facts and proof to dispute innuendo and lies...is nothing but being a 'troll' in your mind.

You're just gonna have to learn to live with the embarrassment.

Originally Posted by Guest

Yeah, yeah, I get it.

Posting actual facts and proof to dispute innuendo and lies...is nothing but being a 'troll' in your mind.

You're just gonna have to learn to live with the embarrassment.

And when I do it to you...you call me a racist.

Originally Posted by Guest

Gawd, facts really, really pi$$ you off...don't they?

Wrong again (unt!

It is you that has the problem with facts. You seldom provide any fact to back your claims up, you feel your opinion and emoji is all that is needed to substantiate your opinions. When you have been proven wrong, and that has happened many times, you try to twist words around and bully others into submission.

Pathetic...must have been picked on quite a bit growing up...

Originally Posted by Guest

Yeah, yeah, I get it.

Posting actual facts and proof to dispute innuendo and lies...is nothing but being a 'troll' in your mind.

You're just gonna have to learn to live with the embarrassment.

Let me know when you come up with some actual facts. I am interested, if you can get past all your childish petulance. Generally, I try to avoid fighting with females.

Originally Posted by Guest

Let me know when you come up with some actual facts. I am interested, if you can get past all your childish petulance. Generally, I try to avoid fighting with females.

Good idea...how do you argue with "feelings"? They "feel" it should be a certain way...so they believe it IS that way. They'll argue and argue with no logic whatsoever. Sometimes my jaw literally drops when I hear a woman "reason" something out.

I hear NOTHING about our trillions deficit from President elect. I hear a lot about more spending and less taxes for the rich. Go figure.

Originally Posted by Guest

I hear NOTHING about our trillions deficit from President elect. I hear a lot about more spending and less taxes for the rich. Go figure.

Meet the new boss...same as the old boss...I told you this is what would happen. He'll borrow and spend like a mad man...to "fix" things.

Originally Posted by Guest

Explain to me what is bad about cutting totally useless programs that benefits no one except the one who got it passed. We really need to know how shrimp mate (at taxpayer expense)???

Keep jobs for those that are actually already doing the work and eliminate the slackers. Believe me, we had plenty in the government contracted company where I worked. I have seen it first-hand. We had one guy who used to walk around with a paint bucket in his hand all day. Took time out for breaks and lunch. First in line to clock out. Never, ever saw him applying paint to anything! One of our clerks would go through the in basket and take all the easy tasks for herself, leaving the harder jobs for the rest of us. If an emergency job came in, before the supervisor could get it assigned, she magically was in the restroom, hand-delivering finished work, etc. I could go on and on, but you should get the picture by now.

Some like Boeing think that just because it is for the government, that it is an open checkbook. Trump is trying to monitor those checkbooks and rein in the unchecked spending. Why is that a problem?

I worked for the Feds for over 30 years, your examples are not the norm.

Since you say you were a govt contractor or worked for them I can tell you first hand that the government contractors come to work for the fed agency, get trained by the gov workers, then get paid on most cases 2X or 3X the amount for doing the same job, then after a couple years when the contract expires the contractor hikes his prices, is undercut, and the process is repeated. This happened over and over and over, especially in the IT field.

Originally Posted by Guest

Let me help you out here.

That 47% you speak of, doesn't pay 'personal income tax'...but they certainly pay taxes.

IN FACT, they pay a MUCH HIGHER PERCENTAGE of their income to taxes, both federal and state through payroll/Social Security/gas/sales/etc./etc.)...than you probably do.

Forbes Welcome


So please, stop spreading these right-wing lies.

Thank you and deepest regards & wishes.

You are confusing what I wrote. There is a difference between payroll taxes you mention and federal income tax I was speaking to. They are very different. I still say too many voters do not have any skin in the game and could care less about reducing government spending. My guess is an earned income check is more than most of these people pay in social security and medicare combined.

Originally Posted by Guest

You are confusing what I wrote. There is a difference between payroll taxes you mention and federal income tax I was speaking to. They are very different. I still say too many voters do not have any skin in the game and could care less about reducing government spending. My guess is an earned income check is more than most of these people pay in social security and medicare combined.

I didn't "confuse" anything.

I purposely eviscerated your argument.

Of course you only wanted to talk about personal income tax, because it blows the prejudiced, bigoted, narrow-minded and outright wrong narrative...if you include ALL taxes.

Sorry to ruin your day.