Originally Posted by Guest

If you want to talk about government welfare and the billion of dollars it costs - start talking about farm subsidies!

You will very rarely meet a poor farmer but you will always meet a farmer who claims to be poor.

Be careful, now. Those farmers are Democrats. Democrats always have good reasons for giving your money away.

Originally Posted by Guest

If you want to talk about government welfare and the billion of dollars it costs - start talking about farm subsidies!

You will very rarely meet a poor farmer but you will always meet a farmer who claims to be poor.

That is an interesting subject. Warren Buffett can afford to be a philanthropist with the farm subsidies he applies for and accepts. For gods sake man; I can give away your money too!

Originally Posted by Guest

Great post!!! Then we could talk about Corporate Welfare and Tax evasion!

Think by Numbers » Government Spends More on Corporate Welfare Subsidies than Social Welfare Programs

You would have to be wise enough, talented enough, and hard working enough to own a corporation that made enough income to consider tax evasion first!

I am guessing you are more of a taker than a provider based on your ignorant comment.

Originally Posted by Guest

You would have to be wise enough, talented enough, and hard working enough to own a corporation that made enough income to consider tax evasion first!

I am guessing you are more of a taker than a provider based on your ignorant comment.

I guess that you have never heard of inherited wealth. It takes a real talent to start as president of a corporation. Take a good look at the starting dates of the corporations of well to do families.
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Sometimes the only thing that providers provide is stupidity.

Originally Posted by Guest

Stock up on ammo!

Clinton will be elected president, there is nobody that can stop that. She will be elected by the 52% of voters that are on government assistance (it was 49% in 2013, do the math) and they don't care how many lies she tells, they don't care how many emails she has deleted, they don't care how many classified emails she sent off her personal server, they don't care how many people died in Benghazi, they don't want America to be put back to work...all they care about is "no cuts to their benefits" and she is that!

The ammo will be needed when this country goes bankrupt because it gives away more than it takes in, and because the working people can't afford the non working anymore. When those benefits stop coming; the recipients that have developed a sense of entitlement (some of them have had the last 3 generations of their families on welfare), they will seek to find food and money elsewhere. Get ready for Civil War II.

Go ahead and debate, the old and weak will be the first attacked...stock up on ammo!!

You might be overstating the problem somewhat, but I don't think by much. I also think all hell is going to break loose when government benefits of any kind get reduced due to just plain not be able to borrow or print the money to continue them. There are a lot of people who believe deficiets don't matter and can continue forever, I guess I'm not one of them. If deficiets don't matter why don't we just place barrels of freshly printed money on all street corners and tell people to take just what they deserve, kind of on the honor system. That will help economy, at least many think so.

Originally Posted by Guest

Be careful, now. Those farmers are Democrats. Democrats always have good reasons for giving your money away.

Farmers are Democrats? Tell that to the evangelicals in Iowa who gladly take farm subsidies! Every farmer I have met - and that is a lot - have all been Republicans. And they all love their government subsidies.

Originally Posted by Guest

Keep debating old fool (your Social Security checks will stop when Hillary runs the government into bankrupt).

Love liberal websites...yeah Hillary and Bernie are speaking of taking from the rich and giving to the poor Republicans, LOL.

I might vote for Hillary. Not that my vote will be needed, when she will already have 52% of the country voting for "no cuts in benefits" (all Republicans I guess). Most polls have her at 65% chance to win the presidential election, possibly you want to bet against them?

After the Civil War II; the country will start over and hopefully will be much better than it is now (Obamma, the first half white president, was a bust...Has the Standards and Poor ratings for the US improved?? Was Obammacare a success??) Really, are Hellary, Burn, Crud, and Trump the best people we have to lead this country? That is all we got? Is there nobody better that could garner enough votes to be elected?

You lost the bet! I am Agnostic, so no church for me. I do feel there are good ethics and morals in the Bible, I just do those for myself and not some God.

STOCK UP ON AMMO!

Geez you guys bought out Walmart when Obama was elected!!!! LOL

Originally Posted by Guest

Farmers are Democrats? Tell that to the evangelicals in Iowa who gladly take farm subsidies! Every farmer I have met - and that is a lot - have all been Republicans. And they all love their government subsidies.

Times change. I feel fortunate to have lived through a great period, rapid expansion and technological progress. Tech Progress is a killer. We all read how the middle class has gotten nowhere in recent decades. The fact is, we continue to be more productive, year after year. But all the rewards go to the owner/executive class. It'll only get worse. The pace of Technology is increasing. I worry for my kids, grandkids, and future generations.

Consider autonomous vehicles, they're right around the corner. In a few years you'll call up a ride on your smartphone and the car (maybe a convertible, minivan, or pickup, whatever you ordered) will pull up without a driver! It won't be long after that you'll decide you only need one car, then none. Maybe convert the garage to a workshop. Sounds silly now but folks in the future may wonder why anyone every had tons of steel sitting in a garage 23 hours a day.

"Transportation as a Service" is the future. Manufacturers have to reset, marketing to the Uber's of the world. Truck driver is the #1 job in the country, they're all vulnerable. If individuals don't own cars, what happens to Service Stations, mechanics, parking ramps.... Self-driving cars are only the beginning. What about 3D printing, dark factories, Robotics, on and on. The point is, jobs and the need for human capital is going away. Not a bad thing if we manage it.

I grew up on Sci-fi and reading Popular Mechanics (still no flying cars). I expected we'd be further along now. When I started working I felt fortunate. My Dad worked 7 day, 60+ hour, weeks all his life. I started and fell into the 40 hour work week and expected that was only the beginning. By now we'd all live a life of luxurious leisure (I think that was actually in Popular Mechanics). It didn't happen. Unfortunately, the middle class was exploited and it's really gone the other way. Where I worked, people now work 24/7. Literally, it's an International Corporation and they often have global online meetings, which can be anytime day or night.

Exploiting workers just gets worse. Today. we have people working 40 hours at McDonalds and Walmart and they're eligible for Food Stamps. I guess that's a form of Corporate Welfare.

My concern is that Technology continues to carve out the middle class and we end up with all wealth and power in the hands of a few. Maybe that's the ultimate for Capitalism. The only distinction from Communism is that Communism has all wealth in power with a single dictator.

We need to plan for this future. I think there's only two options. Well, maybe three, we could go full Capitalism, survival of the fittest, and let everyone fend for themselves. I don't see that happening. So, either we provide a basic level of subsistence for all, or we create "Meaningless" jobs so everyone can work.

The solution is clear to me, and many others. Universal Basic Income (sometimes Basic Income Guarantee) is being talked about everywhere (not so much in the US). The ideal implementation would give everyone a check equal to Poverty Level income. As an example, you get a monthly check for $1000 just for being a citizen.

It sounds ridiculous (I can't wait to read the comments). But it's a major step toward that future world I dreamed of as a kid. Instantly, no more poverty. Hundreds of Govt programs go away, Welfare, Food Stamps, Unemployment, Housing Assistance, Student aid, on and on and on. All the people that work in these "industries" will be out of work. Frankly, they aren't doing anything productive for society anyway. They will have to live on Basic Income too. Shut down the computer systems and sell off the real estate.

Basic Income is a win-win all around.The single Mom working multiple jobs will have some options. Maybe more parents can avoid daycare and raise their own kids (that's our future). Young folks could stay in (or go back to) school. I have difficulty identifying negatives. The idea is popping up all over and pilots are planned, Canada, Finland, UK, Scotland, Switzerland,and others.

Instead of falling into the trap of divisive political banter, concentrate on solutions. Google "Basic Income", read a bit and consider the potential. I'd be interested in hearing the negatives.

Originally Posted by Guest

Farmers are Democrats? Tell that to the evangelicals in Iowa who gladly take farm subsidies! Every farmer I have met - and that is a lot - have all been Republicans. And they all love their government subsidies.

Never met a Democrat farmer in Farmersburg, Iowa! All would be for Cruz but he is a foreigner to them. Trump is a billionaire but all they hear is his "Make America Great Again" - even though those farmers have never had it better. They just cannot get over the country is led by a black foreigner.

Originally Posted by Guest

Never met a Democrat farmer in Farmersburg, Iowa! All would be for Cruz but he is a foreigner to them. Trump is a billionaire but all they hear is his "Make America Great Again" - even though those farmers have never had it better. They just cannot get over the country is led by a black foreigner.

Ah yes, the race card. That usually closes any argument when the left has no point it can make.

Originally Posted by Guest

Ah yes, the race card. That usually closes any argument when the left has no point it can make.

Just stating the truth about the closed minded mentality of mid-western small rural towns.

FDR's New Deal, Congress passed the Agriculture Adjustment Act in 1933. (our socialist president)

More than half our farmers do not receive subsidies.

But, in general most farmers lean toward the Republican party.

Food Stamps are part of the Farm Bill.

Originally Posted by Guest

Just stating the truth about the closed minded mentality of mid-western small rural towns.

There's big difference between "truth" and your opinion. Truth is backed up by facts. You opinion is just fool blathering.

Originally Posted by Guest

Just stating the truth about the closed minded mentality of mid-western small rural towns.

And they're happier than all the "enlightened" city folk. Sorry, I'm not open minded either when it comes to certain things...neither should you.