Originally Posted by Guest

Dear Guests:

Let's begin with the premise that the proper word for taxes, the "t"word connotes "theft" Why is any politician is permitted to steal your earnings?

And early on when America found a bona fide reason to tax it was associated with state government. How did it come to pass that the federal government claimed its right to any % of our income with the added insult of spending our money as they deemed fit? In other words why do taxes (revenue flow to the central government from the states

We have become so accustom to this Byzantine taxing scam that it actually appears normal to us evidently because it is often left unchallenged. I am certain that a portion of the population rich or poor feel an entitlement for this very reason

We cannot have a constructive discussion in this nation until we rediscover our history and the intent of our founders concerning the relationship
between citizen and government

Personal Best Regards:

"Theft"? We basically have what Bernie Sanders calls Democratic Socialism. The Govt needs revenue to provide for society as a whole. The first is military, first because it's 50% of every dollar (way too much). Govt needs to provide for people what they can't do for themselves. Social programs, like Police & Fire service, roads, bridges, infrastructure, garbage collection and sewer systems.

We need more Socialism. The perfect example is healthcare. We are the only developed country that doesn't provide it for all (never mind that the Constitution states "Provide for the General Welfare"). People "think" they like our system, even though we pay at least twice what anyone else pays. They "think" they like it because they don't Need it. But wait till you have an accident, contract a dreaded disease or something.

Let me warn you. If you have kids, or grandkids, and they hit on bad times, prepare to dig deep. Our system is breaking down and the younger folks live day-to-day now (no pension, minimal benefits, difficult to save). Should someone get cancer, lose their job, and their health coverage along with it, you'll be hitting that retirement savings to help out. Cancer drugs can be $100,000/yr. Nowhere else is this a problem. My seasonal Canadian neighbors make certain they are in Canada for 183 days a year. Must be nice.

Originally Posted by Guest

Wealth envy is a very unbecoming appearance. Corporations get tax breaks, and that is OK with me. Otherwise, since we have the world's highest corporate tax rate, they move overseas. Not the only reason, but one of them. It is very disingenuous to parrot the thoughts of those that try to control your vote by demonizing the wealthy. If not for the wealthy, we would not have the decent lifestyle we enjoy. I do not care how rich someone gets, as long as they do it honestly. Taking the tax breaks provided by the government is honestly. Even the supreme court has stated that no one should pay more taxes than required by law. No only do the rich pay most of the tax revenues taken in by the government, but they also pay a lot of sales taxes. They purchase expensive goods, including jewelry, cars, boats, vacations, and other types of rich lifestyle expenses. Not only do they pay taxes, sales taxes, but they also pay for labor. And the cost of the goods they purchase pays for jobs. Poor people do not hire employees. So, if you take away from the rich, they will either go elsewhere or not hire new employees. Then the economy tanks. I realize that I have put this simply, but sometimes it seems like you are having a conversation with the simple.

It always amazes me to observe those that are hypnotized by a wealthy person that assures you that the rich are evil. I bet they laugh so hard that they have trouble sleeping at night.

Well, this is kinda rambling. But I wanted to point out that there's a major difference between someone that produces, from someone that simply leeches. #1 Bill Gates created an empire. There's no way anyone can say he didn't build Microsoft. His wealth derives from what he created and grew into a mega corporation. Alternatively, the typical corporate executive is part of a clique of wealthy executive bigwigs. They did little more than bounce around in board rooms and executive tete-e-tetes.

And, trickle-down is a pipe dream.

Originally Posted by Guest

Well, this is kinda rambling. But I wanted to point out that there's a major difference between someone that produces, from someone that simply leeches. #1 Bill Gates created an empire. There's no way anyone can say he didn't build Microsoft. His wealth derives from what he created and grew into a mega corporation. Alternatively, the typical corporate executive is part of a clique of wealthy executive bigwigs. They did little more than bounce around in board rooms and executive tete-e-tetes.

And, trickle-down is a pipe dream.

Like I said, wealth envy is unbecoming. It makes people like you very ugly.

Yes, trickle-down is a pipe dream to your type. I bet you had no problem with Hillary getting paid six hundred grand for a speech. You get paid what someone feels you are worth. If you are not worth minimum wages, then I can see how you would whine like a child.

Originally Posted by Guest

"Theft"? We basically have what Bernie Sanders calls Democratic Socialism. The Govt needs revenue to provide for society as a whole. The first is military, first because it's 50% of every dollar (way too much). Govt needs to provide for people what they can't do for themselves. Social programs, like Police & Fire service, roads, bridges, infrastructure, garbage collection and sewer systems.

We need more Socialism. The perfect example is healthcare. We are the only developed country that doesn't provide it for all (never mind that the Constitution states "Provide for the General Welfare"). People "think" they like our system, even though we pay at least twice what anyone else pays. They "think" they like it because they don't Need it. But wait till you have an accident, contract a dreaded disease or something.

Let me warn you. If you have kids, or grandkids, and they hit on bad times, prepare to dig deep. Our system is breaking down and the younger folks live day-to-day now (no pension, minimal benefits, difficult to save). Should someone get cancer, lose their job, and their health coverage along with it, you'll be hitting that retirement savings to help out. Cancer drugs can be $100,000/yr. Nowhere else is this a problem. My seasonal Canadian neighbors make certain they are in Canada for 183 days a year. Must be nice.

Dear Guest:

All you speak of can be rationally handled. However that's not what politicians do. what politicians do are raise and/or create more taxes and print money because they know if they throw dollars at a problem it is returned in votes. It doesn't matter that those dollars are going down a rabbit hole. Heck politician are so gifted they can invent a reason to create a rabbit hole because it is for the common good.

Americans have become so accustom to politician reaching into their pockets they believe its normal

Yes there are people who need a hand up but not a continual hand out its almost criminal to allow a well able bodied person to become a ward of the state.

I think back to some of the people I worked with that had serious disabilities but determined to make their own way. A blind woman who worked in word processing with the aid of voice activation , the guy in a wheel chair that worked in our legal office, the woman who spine was so curved she literally was looking downward at the ground...I could go on.

Take any business model and where there is money to be had someone is going to find a way to abuse it be it welfare, insurance, the lottery, etc some people simply believe they are entitled. some people simply believe that work is for suckers. Politicians don't differentiate because well a votes a vote.

I am also against corporate welfare such as the EX IM program, tax credits for solar, wind etc because the government is picking winners and losers based on vote getting or other such quid pro quo arrangements.

Corruption is a cancer and its prevalent in our nation today because most of our politicians are either immoral or spineless

I have long ago stopped buying what they are trying to sell us

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

What? Didn't the gun owners say that about Obama? Yes you did and no guns were taken away. Gun owners bought more and more ammo during the Obama administration but the American people were NOT safer!

Colorado Springs, my home town in a state with open carry suffered 2 mass shootings in less than a month.

Tell me again how more guns will make things better?

I did not say Obamma wanted to take my guns...But I did stock up on Ammo as I realized after visiting his campaign website and saw a person had to click a tab for info, their choices were: "African Americans for Obamma, LGBT for Obamma, Hispanics and Latinos for Obamma, Caucasians for Obamma and etc. Why was is not just Americans for Obamma??? Because he is a racist and divider? He certainly has not brought the country together, how many race related issues are reported on the news a night?

Did anyone in your hometown that was shot in the mass shootings have a gun? If so, did they shoot back? If not, obviously 1 more gun could have made the difference.

You could take all the guns away with law, and the nut jobs will still be mass murdering. They could drive an RV thru the entry at the mall and speed down the corridor killing many as they go...want to take away RV's? The gun did not make them nutjobs, the gun did not encourage them to do a mass shooting - The media did!

The media portraits these nutjobs as villains and gives the event mass coverage, their 15 minutes of fame after hiding in the shadows of their lives for so long. Finally people take notice of them and fear them, they are "villains"! What would happen if the media portrayed them as the cowards they are for shooting unarmed people that had no warning? Would the nutjob want to go out as a coward? I am betting he would rather be a villain. Stop blaming the gun and thank the media for giving him the encouragement.

Originally Posted by Guest

"Theft"? We basically have what Bernie Sanders calls Democratic Socialism. The Govt needs revenue to provide for society as a whole. The first is military, first because it's 50% of every dollar (way too much). Govt needs to provide for people what they can't do for themselves. Social programs, like Police & Fire service, roads, bridges, infrastructure, garbage collection and sewer systems.

We need more Socialism. The perfect example is healthcare. We are the only developed country that doesn't provide it for all (never mind that the Constitution states "Provide for the General Welfare"). People "think" they like our system, even though we pay at least twice what anyone else pays. They "think" they like it because they don't Need it. But wait till you have an accident, contract a dreaded disease or something.

Let me warn you. If you have kids, or grandkids, and they hit on bad times, prepare to dig deep. Our system is breaking down and the younger folks live day-to-day now (no pension, minimal benefits, difficult to save). Should someone get cancer, lose their job, and their health coverage along with it, you'll be hitting that retirement savings to help out. Cancer drugs can be $100,000/yr. Nowhere else is this a problem. My seasonal Canadian neighbors make certain they are in Canada for 183 days a year. Must be nice.

Great post, lol

Yeah, they should only spend 33% of every dollar on military (not way too much) to keep us safe. Besides it would be nice to have all those service people out looking for jobs!

Yeah, we need Socialism. Just look how many people from countries that have it would rather be in the USA (Mexico for instance). Bernie's net worth is a whopping $300,000 and he has not passed a law in the 26 years he has been in congress, if anyone would know what we need it would be that under achiever.

Yeah, I am sure your neighbors told you about the long wait times for healthcare in Canada. Nothing like knowing your daughter has a tumor growing in her brain and they will operate to remove it 3 years from now...great system.

Originally Posted by Guest

Great post, lol

Yeah, they should only spend 33% of every dollar on military (not way too much) to keep us safe. Besides it would be nice to have all those service people out looking for jobs!

Yeah, we need Socialism. Just look how many people from countries that have it would rather be in the USA (Mexico for instance). Bernie's net worth is a whopping $300,000 and he has not passed a law in the 26 years he has been in congress, if anyone would know what we need it would be that under achiever.

Yeah, I am sure your neighbors told you about the long wait times for healthcare in Canada. Nothing like knowing your daughter has a tumor growing in her brain and they will operate to remove it 3 years from now...great system.

Oh, and don't forget to include the fact that in socialist countries, if you are old, you may not be deemed worthy of surgery. If you are no longer productive, you get a lower quality of health care. Hopefully, you do not have to stand in line waiting until you are then too old to warrant that level of treatment. Obama campaigned saying the same thing. He said that maybe that old lady doesn't really need a hip replacement, just give her a pill. Socialism is only for those that are capable of producing for the elite. And of course, those that produce must give up most of their earnings to support it.

Originally Posted by Guest

Great post, lol

Yeah, they should only spend 33% of every dollar on military (not way too much) to keep us safe. Besides it would be nice to have all those service people out looking for jobs!

Yeah, we need Socialism. Just look how many people from countries that have it would rather be in the USA (Mexico for instance). Bernie's net worth is a whopping $300,000 and he has not passed a law in the 26 years he has been in congress, if anyone would know what we need it would be that under achiever.

Yeah, I am sure your neighbors told you about the long wait times for healthcare in Canada. Nothing like knowing your daughter has a tumor growing in her brain and they will operate to remove it 3 years from now...great system.

The democrats who are following Bernie are not doing so because they like Bernie. They are party loyal and he is the only option they think they have to the criminal Clinton.

The opposition keeps talking how all the different groups will martial upon Clinton propelling her to an annointment of her queenship.

They are making one big mistake. They think that all those democrats who are for Bernie will automatically throw into supporting Clinton. Yes there will be some, but an unknown number will then switch to what ever the opposition to Clinton is available.

Argue and name calling is not going to change that fact. What we do not know and the dems hope upon hope is that so many do not shift their vote to knock the queen to be off her perch. And that they should be concerned about.

If any of the Clinton supporters have evidence of any kind demonstrating how much of the Nernie supporters will fall for Clinton, we anxiously await such.

Originally Posted by Guest

The democrats who are following Bernie are not doing so because they like Bernie. They are party loyal and he is the only option they think they have to the criminal Clinton.

The opposition keeps talking how all the different groups will martial upon Clinton propelling her to an annointment of her queenship.

They are making one big mistake. They think that all those democrats who are for Bernie will automatically throw into supporting Clinton. Yes there will be some, but an unknown number will then switch to what ever the opposition to Clinton is available.

Argue and name calling is not going to change that fact. What we do not know and the dems hope upon hope is that so many do not shift their vote to knock the queen to be off her perch. And that they should be concerned about.

If any of the Clinton supporters have evidence of any kind demonstrating how much of the Nernie supporters will fall for Clinton, we anxiously await such.

A valid point.

The DNC is so scared that Hillary can't pull it off, and also scared that she might pull it off, that they are trying to sabotage Trumps run at the presidency. But, the RNC is doing that also. No one likes their choices and now it is too late because thanks to Obama, everyone is mad and in a hurry to get the establishment out of D.C. November is sure to be chaos.

Originally Posted by Guest

Well, this is kinda rambling. But I wanted to point out that there's a major difference between someone that produces, from someone that simply leeches. #1 Bill Gates created an empire. There's no way anyone can say he didn't build Microsoft. His wealth derives from what he created and grew into a mega corporation. Alternatively, the typical corporate executive is part of a clique of wealthy executive bigwigs. They did little more than bounce around in board rooms and executive tete-e-tetes.

And, trickle-down is a pipe dream.

I see Gates and Jobs as a high tech version [visionary?] of the Gillette trick. "We'll give you the razor but you have to buy the blades from us." That's the profit.

Jobs gave you the software and overcharged you for the PC. Gates let someone else give you the PC and charged for the software to make it work. Just imagine if the guy who built the mouse trap gave it away but owned the rights to cheese.

I think the wealthiest person or family in the world deserves to be the Fleming family. At least for now. That's another problem that your kids will need to figure out to survive.

Originally Posted by Guest

A valid point.

The DNC is so scared that Hillary can't pull it off, and also scared that she might pull it off, that they are trying to sabotage Trumps run at the presidency. But, the RNC is doing that also. No one likes their choices and now it is too late because thanks to Obama, everyone is mad and in a hurry to get the establishment out of D.C. November is sure to be chaos.

The RNC is fighting to maintain cronyism and politics as usual as well as assure their sponsors, supporters, special interest and minority groups that their benfits will continue.

The establishment R or D or non American interests needs an enema.......