Originally Posted by Guest

The solution is clear to me, and many others. Universal Basic Income (sometimes Basic Income Guarantee) is being talked about everywhere (not so much in the US). The ideal implementation would give everyone a check equal to Poverty Level income. As an example, you get a monthly check for $1000 just for being a citizen.

It sounds ridiculous (I can't wait to read the comments). But it's a major step toward that future world I dreamed of as a kid. Instantly, no more poverty.

Basic Income is a win-win all around.The single Mom working multiple jobs will have some options. Maybe more parents can avoid daycare and raise their own kids (that's our future). Young folks could stay in (or go back to) school. I have difficulty identifying negatives.

Here is a big negative = there is no incentive to work in your program. If you provide food and housing to everyone, we will have what we have currently = people that have a sense of entitlement and no ambition to support themselves.

Are you suggesting single moms deserve some kind of pass in life? Were they all raped, beaten by there spouse, abandoned? The ones I know of were too stupid or lazy to practice birth control while having sex (our niece got knocked up in her parents driveway, one of our son's friends has had 3 abortions and 2 kids by 2 different guys), and I have known of a few moms that cheated on their husbands and caused a divorce... Oh you poor things, everyone else should take care of you!

Kids could stay home in school and play video games all night, just think how much they can learn that won't be used to support themselves.

great plan = STOCK UP ON AMMO!

Originally Posted by Guest

There's big difference between "truth" and your opinion. Truth is backed up by facts. You opinion is just fool blathering.

While your opinion is rated what?

Originally Posted by Guest

Stock up on ammo!

Clinton will be elected president, there is nobody that can stop that. She will be elected by the 52% of voters that are on government assistance (it was 49% in 2013, do the math) and they don't care how many lies she tells, they don't care how many emails she has deleted, they don't care how many classified emails she sent off her personal server, they don't care how many people died in Benghazi, they don't want America to be put back to work...all they care about is "no cuts to their benefits" and she is that!

The ammo will be needed when this country goes bankrupt because it gives away more than it takes in, and because the working people can't afford the non working anymore. When those benefits stop coming; the recipients that have developed a sense of entitlement (some of them have had the last 3 generations of their families on welfare), they will seek to find food and money elsewhere. Get ready for Civil War II.

Go ahead and debate, the old and weak will be the first attacked...stock up on ammo!!

fear mongering and stealing a post in lieu of starting your own. Will you man up and admit you were wrong when she does't become president? Thought not. Cowards and trolls are cut from the same cloth....never owning up to their actions...sounds a lot like Hillarity Clinstone.

But all the rewards go to the owner/executive class. It'll only get worse.

Remember the 1968 debate between Buckley-Vidal. Vidal warning that the top 1% own 22% of the countries wealth.

Consider autonomous vehicles, they're right around the corner.
I don't think so for liability reasons not because it isn't possible.

Exploiting workers just gets worse. Today. we have people working 40 hours at McDonalds and Walmart and they're eligible for Food Stamps. I guess that's a form of Corporate Welfare.

We need to plan for this future. I think there's only two options. Well, maybe three, we could go full Capitalism, survival of the fittest, and let everyone fend for themselves. I don't see that happening. So, either we provide a basic level of subsistence for all, or we create "Meaningless" jobs so everyone can work.
or---we provide training for worthwhile jobs in the service industry

The solution is clear to me, Universal Basic Income As an example, you get a monthly check for $1000 just for being a citizen.

Instead of falling into the trap of divisive political banter, concentrate on solutions. Google "Basic Income", read a bit and consider the potential. I'd be interested in hearing the negatives.

I enjoy thinking outside the box. Have you seen manufacturing in China? It's not exactly the WPA but it does provide jobs and training. Remember the manufacturing efforts of "Rosie the Riveter". We need to declare a war on poverty, retool and manufacture products we will use at home.

Trump sells a hat for $25. The American company he uses sells it plain online for $21. He could buy a similar hat from China for $2. I'm not judging. I think there must be a way to get the American price much lower.

I think people will work very hard if there is light at the end of the tunnel. I chance to be wealthy and give your children a wonderful life. Wealthy enough to go on vacations, not so wealthy that you are worth 10,000 times more than most.

Originally Posted by Guest

And they're happier than all the "enlightened" city folk. Sorry, I'm not open minded either when it comes to certain things.

Yes, I agree that a great number of the rural people PLUS you are bigots.

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Farmers are Democrats? Tell that to the evangelicals in Iowa who gladly take farm subsidies! Every farmer I have met - and that is a lot - have all been Republicans. And they all love their government subsidies.

Bs, the majority are democrats. See I can make outrageous statements also!

Originally Posted by Guest

Consider autonomous vehicles, they're right around the corner.
I don't think so for liability reasons not because it isn't possible.

Uber is looking for autonomous cars. GM just invested half a billion in Lyft and a billion for a small self-driving company. Every major manufacturer is working on autonomous cars as quickly as possible. I drove a Tesla with Autopilot. Amazing experience.

or---we provide training for worthwhile jobs in the service industry
Service jobs are disappearing too. Creating jobs is a solution, making them worthwhile is a real challenge. We done really need the human labor so much anymore.

But, what makes work so great anyway. The most fortunate are those that do things they really enjoy, and being paid for it is just an added benefit. The richest country on the planet can easily provide basic needs for everyone. 50 cent of every dollar goes to military, that's a good place to start. Over 2 million people in bases in 80 countries. I think it overkill and only creates problems.

I enjoy thinking outside the box. Have you seen manufacturing in China?
Jobs went overseas to slave labor paid pennies. That actually increased our standard of living. Today we see that work coming back. Not jobs. Just the production, moving closer to the distribution channels. Dark factories, 3D printing, etc. but no jobs.

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I agree that people will work hard to get ahead. That's why I believe that given a basic poverty level income, most would still strive for more. And they'd have the opportunity to negotiate for their labor. Too many are trapped in jobs just to get bare necessities today.

Originally Posted by Guest

I agree that people will work hard to get ahead. That's why I believe that given a basic poverty level income, most would still strive for more. And they'd have the opportunity to negotiate for their labor. Too many are trapped in jobs just to get bare necessities today.

That is ridiculous and naive thinking. If what you said was true, then no one would be on welfare. If you GIVE everyone a poverty level income, then you stagnate the economy. Only the motivated would work.

An example of people choosing not to work once they have a guaranteed income are retirees. There's a hundred thousand examples here in the Villages. I am not saying that they are not motivated, but now that they have secured their income, they no longer need to work for a living. And I do not mean that in a derogatory way. NO, Obama's Utopia is a fairy tale. Same as Bernie's.

Originally Posted by Guest

fear mongering and stealing a post in lieu of starting your own. Will you man up and admit you were wrong when she does't become president? Thought not. Cowards and trolls are cut from the same cloth....never owning up to their actions...sounds a lot like Hillarity Clinstone.

Fear Mongering? Stealing Posts?
Hillary will become president for sure, if not I will "man up" and state I was wrong - no problem. How about when she wins will you remember I told you so?

Thought not? I don't see a lot of evidence of thought in your post...not sure if you noticed everyone on here has the same screen name = "Guest".

STOCK UP ON AMMO!

Originally Posted by Guest

Fear Mongering? Stealing Posts?
Hillary will become president for sure, if not I will "man up" and state I was wrong - no problem. How about when she wins will you remember I told you so?

Thought not? I don't see a lot of evidence of thought in your post...not sure if you noticed everyone on here has the same screen name = "Guest".

STOCK UP ON AMMO!

Ammo won't do you any good if Hillary gets in. She wants to take your guns away.

Originally Posted by Guest

Ammo won't do you any good if Hillary gets in. She wants to take your guns away.

Of course she does, that way I can't defend myself. I wonder if the criminals, that use guns for illicit acts now, will turn in their weapons???

Originally Posted by Guest

Depictions of long bread lines during the Great Depression underscored how desperate many folks were back then. The Great Recession of 2008 version of these bread lines are now much more subtle, their called food stamps.

The number of people receiving food stamps has exceeded 45 million for 56 straight months (cite Department of Agriculture), meaning that an astonishing 14% of Americans are being fed by government. It means that 21.3 % (52.2.million) is one one or more means tested government program. Additionally most of this population also get special tax breaks, incentives or treatment, nanny government's tools for wealth redistribution and Sanders and Clinton advocate for more such social engineering.

Tracking for food stamp participation by the Department of Agriculture began in 1969. Food stamp population participation was 2.87 million people (14%) representing just 1.4% of total population. Statistically food stamp participation has increased 1,470% in 47 years yet the US population has had only a 56% increase.

The Department of Agriculture readily admit that the generous incentive for SNAP associated with both the 2002 and 2008 Farm Acts made benefits easier to secure and more generous.

Again we find Sanders and Clinton engaged in a battle over who will promise the most free stuff. Such promises are unconstitutional and unsustainable. These government welfare programs promote a disincentive to work and require unattainable monetary policy.

The printing/creating of money means more of the national wealth flows to the federal government. We see the same problem because of the FED monetary policies ( QE and low interest) stifling the economy money flow only to Wall Street and the US Treasury.

Government has to stop because its destroying us from within

Personal Best Regards:

You conveniently do not mention the corporate welfare, and all the companies and fatcats moving money offshore to evade taxes. In the future tell the whole story.

Originally Posted by Guest

You conveniently do not mention the corporate welfare, and all the companies and fatcats moving money offshore to evade taxes. In the future tell the whole story.

Who cares what they do with their money? They pay enough taxes so that you don't have to, so quit complaining.

Originally Posted by Guest

Who cares what they do with their money? They pay enough taxes so that you don't have to, so quit complaining.

How do you know what they pay.
"They pay enough taxes so that you don't have to" Tell that to my accountant.

Originally Posted by Guest

How do you know what they pay.
"They pay enough taxes so that you don't have to" Tell that to my accountant.

Oh, so it is a matter of you being jealous of them.