Originally Posted by njbchbum

thanks for the response, bbqman. can you tell me what law it is that protects the public emloyee from being released at will. appreciate it.

Civil Servants (Federal) were initially provided protection under the Pendleton Civil Service Reform Act of 1883 that initially protected only 10% of Federal Employees. However, by 1896 the vast majority of non-military Federal jobs were under Civil Service. This was reinforced by the Hatch Act of 1939 that prohibited using Federal Employees in the Executive branch from Further reinforcement came about in 1978 when the Merit System Protection Board was established.

If you want to know the total job protection provided by these acts, ask yourself the question, “When was the last time you knew of a Federal civil servant being fired for anything other than criminal activity?” Incompetence and laziness are not reasons for termination.

Originally Posted by buggyone

BBQMan,

You did an outstanding job on research on this topic. Yes, I know of the AFGE building and of their seminars in Las Vegas and elsewhere. I know John Gage and he is a good person - tough but good.

I do stand by my statement that Federal unions are necessary for employee's rights in just about every area of employment. The unions can be a pain in the rear for managers at times but it is a watchdog role for the union.

No, I could not find any source that you might have copied from. That was my mistake and I apologize publically for it. The reason I said the article was from somewhere you copied was that it was so well writtten. You are an excellent writer. Accept my apology.

Your gracious apology is cheerfully accepted. As I noted earlier, I was surprised by this since I have come to know you via these boards as an intelligent and considerate man.

Democrap? I like that word.

Originally Posted by CMANN

Democrap? I like that word.

I like the word, "Dumbpublican".

Right to Work States | National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation

This may not be up-to-date. It shows the right to work states in the US.

If you want to know the total job protection provided by these acts, ask yourself the question, “When was the last time you knew of a Federal civil servant being fired for anything other than criminal activity?” Incompetence and laziness are not reasons for termination.


At my time in the Dept of Veterans Affairs in Washington DC, there were quite a few that were terminated for incompetence and laziness every year. They ranged all the way from GS-3 mail clerks to GS-15 managers.

Originally Posted by BBQMan

Civil Servants (Federal) were initially provided protection under the Pendleton Civil Service Reform Act of 1883 that initially protected only 10% of Federal Employees. However, by 1896 the vast majority of non-military Federal jobs were under Civil Service. This was reinforced by the Hatch Act of 1939 that prohibited using Federal Employees in the Executive branch from Further reinforcement came about in 1978 when the Merit System Protection Board was established.

If you want to know the total job protection provided by these acts, ask yourself the question, “When was the last time you knew of a Federal civil servant being fired for anything other than criminal activity?” Incompetence and laziness are not reasons for termination.

bbqman - so that protects the fed emps from being fired at will - does the same protection apply to state/local emps? if not, then state, county, muni emps could still be released - without cause or with trumped up charges after any change in administration? i know that in nj, we public sector emps had no such protection EXCEPT for that provided by union contract.

thanx again for your info.