Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

To all you Libs that have never been in combat, remember what General Patton said:

"War is not about dying for your country, it making the other SOB die for his."

The winners will write the history books, the losers will get to read them.

Wow!

Now where did I put my "Village People Greatest Hits" cd?

I needs to hear me some "Macho Man".

Campaign Ad Shows Allen West Punching Women In The Face

I hate these kinds of ads but what are we going to do about it. The campaign planners use these because they work. These kinds of ads have been around for decades on TV and centuries in other places. You probably would have seen something like this in the campaigns of people like John Adams and Abraham Lincoln. Does not mean that John Adams or Abraham Lincoln actually approved these ads.


http://articles.cnn.com/2008-08-22/l...n?_s=PM:LIVING

"Things got ugly fast. Jefferson's camp accused President Adams of having a 'hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.'" from the above linked cnn article.

Alan West was fined $15,000 for his actions and told to resign from the Army to avoid a court-martial which would have sent him to prison.

as per usual, nothing unexpected.

btk

Originally Posted by buggyone

Alan West was fined $15,000 for his actions and told to resign from the Army to avoid a court-martial which would have sent him to prison.

That's inaccurate. Col. West's unorthodox action which possibly saved the lives of his men from a reported planned ambush, were ultimately referred to an Article 15 proceeding rather than court-martial, at which West was fined $5,000.

I'm guessing you place less value on the lives of Col. West's men as opposed to the "discomfort" of an enemy combatant?

Second guessing Col. West's actions in the situation he was in, by someone who couldn't begin to comprehend the situation is a little ridiculous IMHO.

The military did what it had to do and that was to "slap" Col. West's hand. 95 members of Congress signed a letter sent to the Secretary of the Army supporting Col. West.

David Horowitz, in online publication FrontPage Magazine, named West its 2003 Man of the Year, for "valuing his own troops' lives over the mental well being and self-esteem of an Iraqi terrorist"

Bravo.

Allen West (R-FL) Brags about Torturing Iraqi Policeman | Crooks and Liars

These are hardly heroic actions of West.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Allen West (R-FL) Brags about Torturing Iraqi Policeman | Crooks and Liars

These are hardly heroic actions of West.

I, for one, never called them heroic. But I in all humility would not deign to judge Col. West with this much hindsight, and little true understanding of the position he was in at the time of his handling of this enemy combatant/terrorist.

I think those that do are far from fair minded.

This fella West's never ending whinning is bringing a tear to me eye.....

Here is West's (and all the other Cons) REAL problem;


ElectoralVote

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Campaign Ad Shows Allen West Punching Women In The Face

I hate these kinds of ads but what are we going to do about it. The campaign planners use these because they work. These kinds of ads have been around for decades on TV and centuries in other places. You probably would have seen something like this in the campaigns of people like John Adams and Abraham Lincoln. Does not mean that John Adams or Abraham Lincoln actually approved these ads.

Founding Fathers' dirty campaign - CNN

"Things got ugly fast. Jefferson's camp accused President Adams of having a 'hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.'" from the above linked cnn article.

Yeah. Why would we expect the candidate to call off his dogs when he did nothing about "new black panther" thugs thumping a nightstick while standing in front of voters at the door of their polling place in Phila. in 2008.

Originally Posted by coralway

This fella West's never ending whinning is bringing a tear to me eye.....

Here is West's (and all the other Cons) REAL problem;


ElectoralVote

Fortunately, most will not give up ethics for votes !

Electoral votes are secondary in my opinion. Having some self pride is much more important.

Originally Posted by Rags123

Fortunately, most will not give up ethics for votes !

Electoral votes are secondary in my opinion. Having some self pride is much more important.

You apparently forgot that electoral votes are what counts in a Presidential election. He who has the most electoral votes wins! By the way, I believe that is also in the US Constitution.

"The voters are likely to be disappointed. Romney is not going to gamble on Rubio, who is largely unvetted on the national stage. Also, during his campaign for the Senate, he said his parents fled Castro to come to America and freedom. Only it turns out they came several years before Castro came to power in Cuba. The Democrats will have a field day with this if Rubio is the nominee." That is from electoralvote.com just in case anyone was going to gripe that I had made that up.

Originally Posted by buggyone

You apparently forgot that electoral votes are what counts in a Presidential election. He who has the most electoral votes wins! By the way, I believe that is also in the US Constitution.

"The voters are likely to be disappointed. Romney is not going to gamble on Rubio, who is largely unvetted on the national stage. Also, during his campaign for the Senate, he said his parents fled Castro to come to America and freedom. Only it turns out they came several years before Castro came to power in Cuba. The Democrats will have a field day with this if Rubio is the nominee." That is from electoralvote.com just in case anyone was going to gripe that I had made that up.

This thread is not about electoral votes...it is about negative ads. This post is way off subject

The post to which you are replying is making the point that these ads reflect that more important than personal ethics is the votes.

Originally Posted by buggyone

You apparently forgot that electoral votes are what counts in a Presidential election. He who has the most electoral votes wins! By the way, I believe that is also in the US Constitution.

"The voters are likely to be disappointed. Romney is not going to gamble on Rubio, who is largely unvetted on the national stage. Also, during his campaign for the Senate, he said his parents fled Castro to come to America and freedom. Only it turns out they came several years before Castro came to power in Cuba. The Democrats will have a field day with this if Rubio is the nominee." That is from electoral vote.com just in case anyone was going to gripe that I had made that up.

When I say Buggyone, that I think you are a brilliant defender of American rights and way of life, I hope I don't sound patronizing, but You seem to have the wisdom and mental strength to defend your political position and ignore the uncalled for ridicule with such class. I salute you Buggyone an pray you never leave this forum.

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

When I say Buggyone, that I think you are a brilliant defender of American rights and way of life, I hope I don't sound patronizing, but You seem to have the wisdom and mental strength to defend your political position and ignore the uncalled for ridicule with such class. I salute you Buggyone an pray you never leave this forum.

Thank you very much. I do not intend on leaving the forum. The forum needs some clear thinking people like you, me, DaleMN, Coralway and some others instead of the fogged-up viewpoints of trogladites to the Fox darlings such as Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Thank you very much. I do not intend on leaving the forum. The forum needs some clear thinking people like you, me, DaleMN, Coralway and some others instead of the fogged-up viewpoints of trogladites to the Fox darlings such as Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity.

WOW, less than 50 words and you put the earth back on its proper axis.