Chacharcha,
I think we agree. I was against the war from the begining too.

I would love to see peace in the world. :bigthumbsup:

I know you are right that we can't just pull out of Iraq. I also know that both parties have a part in getting into this war. But I pray it will end soon and God Bless all our soldiers.
I wish the people of wealth and power and governments(Bush) would think very hard before sending anybody's child into war. Some wars have been worth fighting...but I sure don't think this one was! >

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> BUSH'S RESIGNATION SPEECH
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> The following 'speech' was written recently by an ordinary Maineiac [a resident of the People's Republic of Maine]. While satirical in nature, all satire must have a basis in fact to be effective. This is an excellent piece by a person who does not write for a living.
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> The speech George W. Bush might give:
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> Normally, I start these things out by saying 'My Fellow Americans.' Not doing it this time. If the polls are any indication, I don't know who more than half of you are anymore. I do know something terrible has happened, and that you're really not fellow Americans any longer.
> I'll cut right to the chase here: I quit. Now before anyone gets all in a lather about me quitting to avoid impeachment, or to avoid prosecution or something, let me assure you: There's been no breaking of laws or impeachable offenses in this office.
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> The reason I'm quitting is simple. I'm fed up with you people. I'm fed up because you have no understanding of what's really going on in the world. Or of what's going on in this once-great nation of ours. And the majority of you are too damned lazy to do your homework and figure it out.
> Let's start local. You've been sold a bill of goods by politicians and the news media. Polls show that the majority of you think the economy is in the tank. And that's despite record numbers of homeowners, including record numbers of MINORITY homeowners. And while we're mentioning minorities, I'll point out that minority business ownership is at an all-time high. Our unemployment rate is as low as it ever was during the Clinton administration. I've mentioned all those things before, but it doesn't seem to have sunk in.
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> Despite the shock to our economy of 9/11, the stock market has rebounded to record levels and more Americans than ever are participating in these markets. Meanwhile, all you can do is whine about gas prices, and most of you are too damn stupid to realize that gas prices are high because there's increased demand in other parts of the world, and because a small handful of noisy idiots are more worried about polar bears and beachfront property than your economic security.
> We face real threats in the world. Don't give me this 'blood for oil' thing. If I were trading blood for oil I would've already seized Iraq's oil fields and let the rest of the country go to hell. And don't give me this 'Bush Lied; People Died' crap either. If I were the liar you morons take me for, I could've easily had chemical weapons planted in Iraq so they could be 'discovered.' Instead, I owned up to the fact that the intelligence was faulty.
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> Let me remind you that the rest of the world thought Saddam had the goods, same as me. Let me also remind you that regime change in Iraq was official US policy before I came into office. Some guy named 'Clinton' established that policy. Bet you didn't know that, did you? Now some of you morons are considering another and more evil Clinton for president !!!! Go figure that one!! She wants to take your kids away and let the 'Whole Village' raise them! i.e. governmental indoctrination .. Look this one up you dumb asses!
> The rest of you morons want to be led by a junior senator with no understanding of foreign policy or economics, and this nitwit says we should attack Pakistan, a nucular ally. And then he wants to go to Iran and make peace with a terrorist who says he's going to destroy us. While he's doing that, he wants to give Iraq to al Qaeda, Afghanistan to the Taliban, Israel to the Palestinians, and your money to the IRS so the government can give welfare to illegal aliens, who he will make into citizens, so they can vote to reelect him. He also thinks it's okay for Iran to have nucular weapons, and we should stop our foreign aid to Israel. Did you sleep through high school?
> You idiots need to understand that we face a unique enemy. Back during the cold war, there were two major competing political and economic models squaring off. We won that war, but we did so because fundamentally, the Communists wanted to survive, just as we do. We were simply able to out spend and out-tech them.
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> That's not the case this time. The soldiers of our new enemy don't care if they survive. In fact, they want to die. That'd be fine, as long as they weren't also committed to taking as many of you with them as they can. But they are. They want to kill you, and the bastards are all over the globe.
> You should be grateful that they haven't gotten any more of us here in the United States since September 11. But you're not. That's because you've got no idea how hard a small number of intelligence, military, law enforcement, and homeland security people have worked to make sure of that. When this whole mess started, I warned you that this would be a long and difficult fight. I'm disappointed how many of you people think a long and difficult fight amounts to a single season of 'Survivor.'
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> Instead, you've grown impatient. You're incapable of seeing things through the long lens of history, the way our enemies do. You think that wars should last a few months, a few years, tops.
> Making matters worse, you actively support those who help the enemy. Every time you buy the New York Times, every time you send a donation to a cut-and-run Democrat's political campaign, well, dang it, you might just as well FedEx a grenade launcher to a Jihadist. It amounts to the same thing.
> In this day and age, it's easy enough to find the truth. It's all over the Internet. It just isn't on the pages of the New York Times, USA Today, or on NBC News. But even if it were, I doubt you'd be any smarter. Most of you would rather watch American Idol or Dancing with Stars.
> I could say more about your expectations that the government will always be there to bail you out, even if you're too stupid to leave a city that's below sea level and has a hurricane approaching.
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> I could say more about your insane belief that government, not your own wallet, is where the money comes from. But I've come to the conclusion that were I to do so, it would sail right over your heads.
> So I quit. I'm going back to Crawford. I've got an energy-efficient house down there (Al Gore could only dream) and the capability to be fully self-sufficient for years. No one ever heard of Crawford before I got elected, and as soon as I'm done here pretty much no one will ever hear of it again. Maybe I'll be lucky enough to die of old age before the last pillars of America fall.
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> Oh, and by the way, Cheney's quitting too. That means Pelosi is your new President. You asked for it. Watch what she does carefully, because I still have a glimmer of hope that there are just enough of you remaining who are smart enough to turn this thing around in 2008.
> So that's it. God bless what's left of America.
> Some of you know what I mean. The rest of you, kiss off.
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> PS - You might want to start learning Farsi, and buy a Koran.
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Any one who votes or even talks about the election should read this.

ldj1938, that was one great post. Now that was Bush bashing with a twist :bigthumbsup:

the resignation speech was a great post. i wish i knew how to cut and paste. it brought tears to my eyes because it is so right on....i fear most of us WOULD rather watch american idol than think about the important issues before us. please, please, please let us pray and meditate carefully before pulling that lever in the voting booth!

That is a great post. Also about the 2000 election, Geroge W. Bush won. When you count the undervotes (hanging chad) and overvotes (a punch and a write in) most media looking at it since 2000 have concluded that Bush won.

You're wrong. I can guarantee you that.

Let's see, Does anyone really think Bush is doing a good job?

In the end, as good as we got from Pres. Kennedy, Johnson, Roosevelt and Carter.

This always seems to boil down to a debate as to which party provides the better Executive Branch leadership. For my money, it's a coin-flip.

If we use military killed/wounded in action as a yardstick (a darned lousy one to me, but it keeps coming up), the Democratic presidents have an insurmountable lead in this category, by a ratio too obscene to publish.

If we use national debt accumulated/terminated, the Republican presidents don't score well at all.

If we look at who robs from the middle class and distributes it to everyone else, both parties are fairly equal, even though they go about it in different ways.

So, let's see what the next herd of appointees hiding behind the vote-getter's britches provide us.

Oh, please don't use President Kennedy and George Bush in the same breath.

Originally Posted by chelsea24

Oh, please don't use President Kennedy and George Bush in the same breath.

In the 34 months John F. Kennedy was president:

1) we entered Vietnam in force;
2) relations with the USSR dipped, and the Berlin Wall was built;
3) covert actions to depose of Fidel Castro backfired, and the Bay of Pigs disaster occurred;
4) the number of nuclear ICBMs was increased from 63 to 424 (the "Bomb" era was now on us);
5) his Secretary of Defense (Robert McNamara) agreed to various defense sweetheart deals, one of which being the infamous M-16 rifle (fielded too early, resulting in battlefield deaths);
6) created the Food Stamp program (which is still a mess); and
7) brought nepotism to new heights with the appointment of his brother as Attorney General.

Yep, he did "accomplish" more in his 34 months than Pres. Bush did in eight years...

Originally Posted by SteveZ

In the 34 months John F. Kennedy was president:

Steve, how dare you criticize St. John of Hyannis Port :yikes:.

Like so many in the mid 60's, I was taught that only Oswald kept JFK from being one of the greats of all time, the logical addition to Mt. Rushmore. It wasn't until much later when one could see so many of his actions in retrospect and in perspective that one could accurately take a measure of the man, and for Kennedy that is still dangerous business. An interesting aspect of the JFK regime was the election of 1962. Kennedy and Co had decided that they'd go after Democrats they considered soft and build a Congress that would rubber stamp anything the administration wanted. They sent Bobby and other member of the Irish Mafia out during primary season to nail specific Senators and Congressman. Kennedy overestimated his reach, his "enemies" won, and basically he couldn't pass gas in the new Congress. It took LBJ's carrot and stick approach to get all the "Kennedy" bills passed in the early days of his administration. Yes, JFK brought in a new tone to government, and might have done some great things, though there's little evidence, but factually he didn't do Diddley (RIP, Bo.).

But, you still can't treat JFK or any of the Kennedys as even human. From Lloyd Bentsen to the myriad hosannas piled on Teddy during his recent illness, from the near canonization of JFK Jr. to the ultra forgiving and adulatory attitude toward other 2nd generation members of the clan, the Kennedys are above and beyond objective analysis.

Of the presidents of the 60's, only JFK is admired, even adored today. LBJ, who actually carried out so many of Kennedy's wishes and built his Great Society (for which he likely should be condemned but which was and is the dream of liberal Democrats) is blamed by the 60's liberals for Vietnam and belittled and condemned. Milhous opened relations with China and established detente with the USSR, attempted to create national health care, did created the EPA and OSHA, and initiated SALT yet will always be condemned to his own circle of hell because of Watergate. Sometimes objectivity and balance take a long time to reach.

Ironically, all of the latest rhetoric regarding Sen. Obama possibly having Sen. Clinton as the #2 on the Democratic ticket reminds me of the Kennedy-Johnson ticket - two guys who had a great distaste for each other, but the DNC made this political marriage so that Northern and Southern votes could be gotten. It did not matter that the two of them never did work together on anything - and VP Johnson was exiled from all of the inner sanctum activities.

It clearly demonstrated that getting the party's puppets elected is more important to the Party's National Committees than anything being accomplished by the "winners" for the nation post-election.

Yes i think Bush is doing a good job But more rides are needed Oh i thought you were talking about Bush Gardens Sorry i take it back

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