Originally Posted by Guest

Trump may be bombastic and brash and therefore more obvious, but it's highly unlikely that he is the first morally corrupt President we have ever had. And he certainly wouldn't be the first to attempt to bring down the country and change the democracy for the worse. Look at the last 8 years - and we all survived that!

Honestly the constant whining does nothing but make those who participate look like sore losers. Let's move on unless you have solid evidence and a way to change things. Complaining is going to do nothing and trying to change people's minds is not going to happen.

All Liberals do is Whine. When Obama was President we just sucked it up and went about our lives. Now that their guy isn't in the White House they just get all emotional.

Originally Posted by Guest

OK....I know you believe NOBODY but your hero, but for some beginning reading.....so much that can backup but you do not believe any of it. Only what a man proven to be a compulsive liar tells you. Thread on NOTHING is a good one though

LYING

Trump’s Lies vs. Obama’s - The New York Times

Trump’s Lies vs. Your Brain - POLITICO Magazine

President Trump’s list of false and misleading claims tops 1,000 - The Washington Post

How President Trump's Lies Are Different From Other People's | Psychology Today

ATTACKS ON MEDIA

U.N. Human Rights Chief Condemns Trump’s Attacks on Media - The New York Times

http://thehill.com/policy/internatio...s-is-dangerous

https://www.gq.com/story/trump-tweet...l-consequences

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...fake-news.html

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...e-news-tactics

https://www.thenation.com/article/do...d-wrongheaded/

ATTACKS ON JUSTICE DEPARTMENT

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-hou...ttacks-the-fbi

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b06d1621bacc0a

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opi...102-story.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...icials/549164/

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-hou...ding-dangerous

https://www.today.com/video/donald-t...-1118053955806

When time permits, I will give you the links on money laundering, foundation scam, Trump Univ, mob ties, and just for kicks a few links to his "womanizing". Note nothing is from tge book, you won't read, and most is current although I will try to give you some background on the mob ties in Jersey and the money laundering.

Guess COLDNOMORE was on target....you folks will always and forever pledge to this person in lieu of your country.

Nice bunch of links.

Originally Posted by Guest

Trump may be bombastic and brash and therefore more obvious, but it's highly unlikely that he is the first morally corrupt President we have ever had. And he certainly wouldn't be the first to attempt to bring down the country and change the democracy for the worse. Look at the last 8 years - and we all survived that!

Honestly the constant whining does nothing but make those who participate look like sore losers. Let's move on unless you have solid evidence and a way to change things. Complaining is going to do nothing and trying to change people's minds is not going to happen.

I would be curiouas to who lied more, or made more knowingly false accusations, or demoralized his own FBI and intelligence agencies ?

Who even did all those things.

You think moral as in bedding women. Morals also include a touch with truth, an ability to not make phoney false accusations, an bility to not attack his own country and call them names...all done publicly in full view of the world.

Please..want hear who was even close...even in the same sphere as Trump ?...

IN ONE SINGLE YEAR

Originally Posted by Rockyrd

I would be curiouas to who lied more, or made more knowingly false accusations, or demoralized his own FBI and intelligence agencies ?

Who even did all those things.

You think moral as in bedding women. Morals also include a touch with truth, an ability to not make phoney false accusations, an bility to not attack his own country and call them names...all done publicly in full view of the world.

Please..want hear who was even close...even in the same sphere as Trump ?...

IN ONE SINGLE YEAR

It's the economy STUPID

Originally Posted by Abby10

Trump may be bombastic and brash and therefore more obvious, but it's highly unlikely that he is the first morally corrupt President we have ever had. And he certainly wouldn't be the first to attempt to bring down the country and change the democracy for the worse. Look at the last 8 years - and we all survived that!

Honestly the constant whining does nothing but make those who participate look like sore losers. Let's move on unless you have solid evidence and a way to change things. Complaining is going to do nothing and trying to change people's minds is not going to happen.

Are you truly serious about the underlined above, or is it an attempt to deflect...what I think you know deep down inside?

Having the audacity to compare Obama to Trump in "trying to bring down America"...is beyond the pale.



I will also give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't see this in post #41 and not that you saw it, but avoided answering so as not prove my other assertions in that post correct...so will repeat it and await your response...

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

For you Abby10 - What would Trump have to do, or shown to have done, for him to lose your support and for you to advocate that he be removed from office?

Originally Posted by Guest

Are you truly serious about the underlined above, or is it an attempt to deflect...what I think you know deep down inside?

Having the audacity to compare Obama to Trump in "trying to bring down America"...is beyond the pale.



I will also give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't see this in post #41 and not that you saw it, but avoided answering so as not prove my other assertions in that post correct...so will repeat it and await your response...

Time and time again, you continue to make yourself look like a fool. Stop already.

Originally Posted by Blind Allegiance

It's the economy STUPID

It is encouraging to see that you are publicly acknowledging how strong and robust Obama's economy is continuing.

Thank goodness Obama saved the markets when he took over...and even Trump hasn't been able to screw that up too.

Originally Posted by Guest

I would be curiouas to who lied more, or made more knowingly false accusations, or demoralized his own FBI and intelligence agencies ?

Who even did all those things.

You think moral as in bedding women. Morals also include a touch with truth, an ability to not make phoney false accusations, an bility to not attack his own country and call them names...all done publicly in full view of the world.

Please..want hear who was even close...even in the same sphere as Trump ?...

IN ONE SINGLE YEAR

In reality, Rocky, I think there is a lot we could discuss and do so in a respectful way. I still don't think we would be in agreement on most, but we might understand one another better and why we think as we do. Unfortunately, this forum makes it difficult to do so.

Originally Posted by Abby10

Time and time again, you continue to make yourself look like a fool. Stop already.

So you DID read my post #41, recognized yourself in the people I mentioned...and are purposely choosing not to answer and instead prefer to deflect.

While not quite the direct answer I was hoping for...it's confirmation enough for me (and the other intelligent folks here).

So thanks.

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

It is encouraging to see that you are publicly acknowledging how strong and robust Obama's economy is continuing. [emoji106]

Thank goodness Obama saved the markets when he took over...and even Trump hasn't been able to screw that up too.

True that Obama's gift to terrorism is the gift that keeps on killing Americans long past his Presidency.

And the entire recovery of 2008 thru 2015 was due to George Bush's great policies.

Originally Posted by Guest

All Liberals do is Whine. When Obama was President we just sucked it up and went about our lives. Now that their guy isn't in the White House they just get all emotional.

Women get all emotional...it's what they do. Logic and pragmatism escapes them...they have no concept of them.

Originally Posted by Guest

Are you truly serious about the underlined above, or is it an attempt to deflect...what I think you know deep down inside?

Having the audacity to compare Obama to Trump in "trying to bring down America"...is beyond the pale.



I will also give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't see this in post #41 and not that you saw it, but avoided answering so as not prove my other assertions in that post correct...so will repeat it and await your response...

Yes it IS beyond compare...Obama ensured America went over the edge...America became a minority majority under his watch...he ensured America's destruction.

Originally Posted by Guest

True that Obama's gift to terrorism is the gift that keeps on killing Americans long past his Presidency.

And the entire recovery of 2008 thru 2015 was due to George Bush's great policies.

It was ALL "paid for" through DEBT. We didn't FIX anything...we just made the final outcome worse. We "borrowed" $10 trillion to "fix" the economy. The GOVERNMENT is the economy...without "borrowing" a $ trillion a year...it would ALL collapse.

America IS a dead man walking.

Originally Posted by Guest

Are you truly serious about the underlined above, or is it an attempt to deflect...what I think you know deep down inside?

Having the audacity to compare Obama to Trump in "trying to bring down America"...is beyond the pale.



I will also give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't see this in post #41 and not that you saw it, but avoided answering so as not prove my other assertions in that post correct...so will repeat it and await your response...

I saw her comment and ignored because she has tried to be civil in discourse, but as we get more specific, she is no different than the rest..alt right white nationalist extremists who have put an intolerable, immoral, egoist, with zero moral character.on a lofty pedestal.

To even suggest that OBama, with whom I disagreed with on pretty much all policy, is even close to being as immoral and dishonest as Trump is simply ludicrious. I think my friend from PA was correct in his chaterization, which means Trump has started his own party of white nationalist.

To say in response to lies and false accusations...to attacks on our own country, to having people close to you indicted, to calling the USA intelligence names and an investigation into FOREIGN countries involved in our elections...

" I will have to wait to see"

Is simply bizarre.

Abby, it is impossible for me to talk in any way to someone who thinks that way.

Originally Posted by Guest

In reality, Rocky, I think there is a lot we could discuss and do so in a respectful way. I still don't think we would be in agreement on most, but we might understand one another better and why we think as we do. Unfortunately, this forum makes it difficult to do so.

Understand this...I was hugely Anti OBama and said so publicly on this forum before he was elected the first time, but it was because if his policy and that's it. My inclination that you and the NOTHING crowd hate him for other reasons.

Frankly, I think your attitude and that if those who plague this board, NEVER ABLE TO DEFEND TRUMP..NEVER ABLE TO MAKE ANY LEGIT POINTS ON HIS BEHALF....but to only attack other people as designated by Trump.

His demeaning of war hero's...his phoney patriotism turns my stomach.

I never much speak of the investigation on going, and never ever accused Trump of anything in that regard, but the more I learn, the more I think the worst. For you to say that you will wait until he is convicted is amazing. You are happy to have him take our country into some very dangerous spots.

Originally Posted by Guest

I saw her comment and ignored because she has tried to be civil in discourse, but as we get more specific, she is no different than the rest..alt right white nationalist extremists who have put an intolerable, immoral, egoist, with zero moral character.on a lofty pedestal.

To even suggest that OBama, with whom I disagreed with on pretty much all policy, is even close to being as immoral and dishonest as Trump is simply ludicrious. I think my friend from PA was correct in his chaterization, which means Trump has started his own party of white nationalist.

To say in response to lies and false accusations...to attacks on our own country, to having people close to you indicted, to calling the USA intelligence names and an investigation into FOREIGN countries involved in our elections...

" I will have to wait to see"

Is simply bizarre.

Abby, it is impossible for me to talk in any way to someone who thinks that way.

Originally Posted by Guest

Understand this...I was hugely Anti OBama and said so publicly on this forum before he was elected the first time, but it was because if his policy and that's it. My inclination that you and the NOTHING crowd hate him for other reasons.

Frankly, I think your attitude and that if those who plague this board, NEVER ABLE TO DEFEND TRUMP..NEVER ABLE TO MAKE ANY LEGIT POINTS ON HIS BEHALF....but to only attack other people as designated by Trump.

His demeaning of war hero's...his phoney patriotism turns my stomach.

I never much speak of the investigation on going, and never ever accused Trump of anything in that regard, but the more I learn, the more I think the worst. For you to say that you will wait until he is convicted is amazing. You are happy to have him take our country into some very dangerous spots.

Damn, you like to hear yourself talk..

And not wanting to talk to Abby because of her views? You're what's wrong with this country.. It's your loss Not Abby's.

Originally Posted by Guest

Damn, you like to hear yourself talk..

And not wanting to talk to Abby because of her views? You're what's wrong with this country.. It's your loss Not Abby's.

Tough...my country comes first.

To anyone who supports what is going on in this country, and puts Trump first.

To anyone who tolerates a President who lies, who makes serious felonious accusations, who attacks publicly with no credence the bodies of government and is so mean spirited ...well, tough if you don't like it.

You support it....you then are anti American and I do not want anything to do with you.

He is a draft dodger, who has promoted himself, racism, money laundering, philandering and lying his entire life. He is a phoney, and has never gotten close to doing one thing for this country.

If your view is to turn your back on this proven and credible threat to our country, and want to "wait". No I don't care any more because you and I are on different teams. I served my country in many ways for years, and I don't handle anti American behavior very well.

So....tough