No I did not vote for him. Glad you agree that there is fraud that has not yet been fixed. And yes I am on Medicare. You might not have read my previous response in which I simply asked that gov't fix what they already controlled before they expanded it and made the problems worse.

Originally Posted by Hancle704

No I did not vote for him. Glad you agree that there is fraud that has not yet been fixed. And yes I am on Medicare. You might not have read my previous response in which I simply asked that gov't fix what they already controlled before they expanded it and made the problems worse.

There is a lot of fraud in the Medicare system - that is well known. Glad you did not vote for Scott, too. The Columbia/HCA consortium got caught for their fraud and was fined over $2 Billion dollars - and Scott said he did not know anything about it - and the Dumpublicans of Florida believed him and voted him into office as Goobernator of Florida.

Concerning the "thousands of Federal employees hired to manage the new healthcare", I do not know how many will be hired but it is putting people to work (creating jobs). That is helping the economy by taking people off of unemployment and having them pay taxes. Sounds good to me. Federal employees are hard workers for the most part. I was one for 36 years.

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

You chastised buggy for saying limbaugh hoped Obama would fail - "not the truth, you heard this......where?". He has said that numerous times, and it doesn't matter what you or anyone else interprets as the meaning. from his own website: Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails - The Rush Limbaugh Show

OK, I guess it's my interpretation of what I thought Buggy was saying is the problem here.

It it's simply that Rush L. want's Obama to fail. I agree 100%, and hope Obama fails miserably. I hope he fails and goes back into the undocumented life, with all his records from birth to present sealed, that he lived (I guess) before.

I guess I was taking it that Buggy said Rush wanted America to fail under Obama so that he would be defeated come November. I just had that conversation with someone in person, but I don't know if it was Buggy.

So, let me now openly join Rush Limbaugh and unequivocally say that I hope with all my heart that Barack Obama fails miserably in his bid to change the face of my country. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Hancle704

Yes I am on Medicare. I have paying a Medicare premium for years and despite what has been paid in it will be going broke unless? What, it gets expanded? in 2009, I wrote to the White House and my elected representitives asking that they fix what government already controlled before they expanded the program. I mentioned that Medicare provided a wheelchair for a family member who broke an ankle. The total payment from Medicare and our co-pays amounted to over $800. I asked the provider if we were not on Medicare and wanted to purchase the same wheelchair what would it cost? $160.00 was the response. I wrote about the industry that had sprung up because of Medicare, offering diabetes testing supplies and motorized scooters/wheechairs and found it necessary to spend large amounts of money to advertise on TV their Medicare covered services. Why would firms advertise for more customers if they did not find that huge profits can be made on the government program. I still wonder if the Medicare and Medicaid fraud problems that some claim cost billions every year, have been fixed.

I still feel the same way. That which government already controls has not been fixed and probably wont ever be fixed and apparently you and others believe that's not a concern. We should just expand the broken soon to be bankrupt program wth thousands more federal workers.

Yes I agree the government is not forcing anyone to practice birth control, they are just forcing others to pay for it. This apparently does not bother you. A counter argument about government Rx plan covering viagra does not make sense, it just points out that 2 wrongs don't make a right. Anyhow, I have been told by others that they are not totally free so it's not quite the same.

May I now ask you a few questions, are you on Medicare and if so, do you receive every benefit for free, or do you pay a monthly premium and have an annual deductible and a copay for many of the services you receive? Do you have any medical problems that without these might speed up your death? Are they worth whatever you pay or, do you get them for free? Have you had the opportunity to call 1-800-MEDICARE if you had a question or problem? Try it sometime when you have a few hours to waste.

Yes I am on Medicare, but I'm not your typical Medicare beneficiary. I go to one specialist a year to get my thyroid prescription renewed, and I pay cash. I get one blood test a year for same condition and I pay cash. I just wrote out a check for $135 for one blood test.

I also paid into Medicare for all of my working years, and I've been on the program for a few years, but I have yet to use it and I hope I never have to.

Okay, Richie, take a deep breath and relax. Turn Hannity on Fox and take solice in whatever he is saying today.

Also, repeat after me - "Buggy made 5 pars today at Hawk's Bay!"

I was there when you had the conversation about Limbaugh wanting Obama to fail but it was not with me. It was one of the other elitist, commie,socialist pinko liberals that you associate with on occasion.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

OK, I guess it's my interpretation of what I thought Buggy was saying is the problem here.

It it's simply that Rush L. want's Obama to fail. I agree 100%, and hope Obama fails miserably. I hope he fails and goes back into the undocumented life, with all his records from birth to present sealed, that he lived (I guess) before.

I guess I was taking it that Buggy said Rush wanted America to fail under Obama so that he would be defeated come November. I just had that conversation with someone in person, but I don't know if it was Buggy.

So, let me now openly join Rush Limbaugh and unequivocally say that I hope with all my heart that Barack Obama fails miserably in his bid to change the face of my country. Thank you.

How patriotic.

Originally Posted by DaleMN

How patriotic.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. You're finally beginning to understand, and I heartily applaud you.

Barack Hussein Obama failing in his bid to fundamentally change the fabric of our society by whittling down traditional American values, and the defeat of his policies which are plunging us into a socialist "utopia" is in everyone's interests, and is indeed as patriotic as a true American can be.

Welcome aboard.

Richie,have been reading your posts lately and although your rhetoric is wonderful your assessments of Obama seem to contain a great deal of opinion and no factual basis. "fundamentally change the fabric of our society",whittling down traditioanl American values",plunging us into socialist utopia"....really how, when ,where ,I must have missed it. I see it as the Republicans doing what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

OK, I guess it's my interpretation of what I thought Buggy was saying is the problem here.

It it's simply that Rush L. want's Obama to fail. I agree 100%, and hope Obama fails miserably. I hope he fails and goes back into the undocumented life, with all his records from birth to present sealed, that he lived (I guess) before.

I guess I was taking it that Buggy said Rush wanted America to fail under Obama so that he would be defeated come November. I just had that conversation with someone in person, but I don't know if it was Buggy.

So, let me now openly join Rush Limbaugh and unequivocally say that I hope with all my heart that Barack Obama fails miserably in his bid to change the face of my country. Thank you.

Politics 101: To replace the president that you are so desperate to replace; first of all find a candidate that your side can rally behind, then try to sell him to the independents.

Next tell your candidates to stop p-ssing off every segment of the population: for instance - women, African Americans, Latinos, gay and lesbians, immigrants, college graduates, catholics, JFK supporters, etc

Tell your candidates to get into the 21st century and stop arguing about matters that were settled 40 years ago. Let's make this a fair fight.

Originally Posted by janmcn

Politics 101: To replace the president that you are so desperate to replace; first of all find a candidate that your side can rally behind, then try to sell him to the independents.

Next tell your candidates to stop p-ssing off every segment of the population: for instance - women, African Americans, Latinos, gay and lesbians, immigrants, college graduates, catholics, JFK supporters, etc

Tell your candidates to get into the 21st century and stop arguing about matters that were settled 40 years ago. Let's make this a fair fight.

When have the Repubs ever wanted to be fair?

Originally Posted by janmcn

Politics 101: To replace the president that you are so desperate to replace; first of all find a candidate that your side can rally behind, then try to sell him to the independents.

Next tell your candidates to stop p-ssing off every segment of the population: for instance - women, African Americans, Latinos, gay and lesbians, immigrants, college graduates, catholics, JFK supporters, etc

Tell your candidates to get into the 21st century and stop arguing about matters that were settled 40 years ago. Let's make this a fair fight.

Heck with that. 40 years ago? I want to go back to the founding principles, and thats a lot longer than 40 years ago.

The only people we're trying to p-ss off, as you so eloquently put it, are the liberals. I hope we're succeeding.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Now that we seem to be down to only two Republican candidates, I will admit that there's only one of them that I could draw myself to vote for. Depending on how the GOP primaries and their convention develops, I'll either be voting for Mitt Romney, or witholding my vote for anyone running for President from either party in the fall.

Well VK, there sure were a lot of silly posts since your above comment. l'm glad I spent the day tiling a bathroom.

Of course Romney has to be the guy, but I can't figure why you would vote for him as opposed to staying home. Tell me what you think he can accomplish, or those things he will even be inclined to promote.

Romney will align with his party in Congress. If (in the less likely event) the
Republicans retain their current legislative clout, he will somewhat half-heartedly propose spending cuts, probably to education, environmental and consumer protection, social programs and health care. The glossy quest will be an even less than half-hearted attempt to support the repeal of Obamacare, naturally in the name of sacred states rights. All of this scurrying around will amount to virtually nothing.
We will also lose, for another four years, the possibility of a finer tuned, very good opening effort at national healthcare, a whole slew of important follow up regulations to protect us from greed and corruption, meaningful revision of immigration and energy policy, and the beginnings of real revisions in the individual and corporate tax codes. The poor, including unemployed vets, will lose their support in high places. Our schedules for successfully withdrawing ground troops and streamlining huge defense expenditures will diminish. There might not even be some consolidation of Washington bureaucracies.
I see even the lame duck incumbent as potentially far more successful than Romney. I'll even predict that a lot of the above, which just won't happen in a Republican administration, will occur if the Democrats retake the House. There is a chance of that, as the economy improves and more voters embrace the main Obama principle of the fair treatment of ordinary citizens.

Surely Romney doesn't deserve your vote just because he's 'new'. Please explain what you think he will do, or even want to do, which will spell progress for our nation.

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

...Of course Romney has to be the guy, but I can't figure why you would vote for him as opposed to staying home. Tell me what you think he can accomplish, or those things he will even be inclined to promote....Surely Romney doesn't deserve your vote just because he's 'new'. Please explain what you think he will do, or even want to do, which will spell progress for our nation.

There are only three names to consider. One of them, Rick Santorum, has based his entire platform on angry, looney tunes, over the edge right wing ideas on both social issues as well as the economy. He's had little to say about foreign affairs. Maybe State is one of the federal departments he'd shut down. He has been undisciplined as a candidate and hasn't even done a good job of managing his campaign staff. No way I could draw myself to put an X next to his name for the presidency of the United States.

As I've said before, I have been disappointed in President Obama's leadership. Some of his accomplishments have been laudable, but on balance the manner and pace with which he has accomplished things has been too liberal and too slow for me. Most importantly, he has shown no ability to push or lead the Congress towards any kind of workable government. I said when I voted for him in 2008 that if he didn't work out, he wouldn't get my vote in 2012. That's where I'm at. I don't hate him like many here. I don't want him to fail. I think he's an extremely smart, well meaning, but liberal president, who has shown little ability to lead, either the government or the country. It's time for a change.

Is Mitt Romney the answer? He did a marvelous job creating and running Bain Capital. He clearly understands economics. He demonstrated an ability to work effectively with the opposite party while governor of Massachusetts. His intelligence and morality is unquestioned. Whether he has any ability in the area of foreign affairs or the military is an open question, although the U.S. is likely to find itself with a dangerous worsening of the situation in the Middle East, even before inauguration day in 2013.

I would hope...and it's only hope...that Mitt Romney could provide some leadership to what is now a totally ineffective, broken government. I hope he is smart and thoughtful enough to confront problems in the arera of foreign affairs that almost certainly will confront him on the day he takes office, if he is elected.

I only hope that whichever candidate is elected doesn't cause me to reach the same sad conclusion announced by Senator Olympia Snow today. She's quitting the Senate. She's giving up. She sees no hope that the Senate or the Congress can ever effectively govern this country.

I'll give Mitt Romney my vote, although I doubt that he can be elected. His party is too fractured for him to effectively mount a winning campaign. I just hope I don't reach the same conclusion as Senator Snow did today.

Originally Posted by billethkid

I was not aware the auto businesses were or would have gone out of business. They were headed for bankruptcy which does not = going out of business.

Without government throwing money at them, they would have gone into chapter 11 and with the high horsepower legal staff they would have no doubt already had a plan to submit to the judge, commonly referred to as a prepac bankruptcy. They would have secured a line of credit from some source without a doubt. Due to the requirements of the courts there would have been a purge of incumbent management and a down sizing of overheads. They would have not ever missed one day of production or new model introduction as that is the life blood of the newly organized business structures. The debt would have had a structured pay back and the bankruptcy plan would have established benchmarks with progress reviews via the courts. The auto makers involved would meet their criteria and they would emerge from bankruptcy....now get this part....AS PLANNED!!

The ongoing misinformation about these manufacturers shutting down and hundreds of thousands of jobs lost was never ever in the cards.
Obama struck a deal with the executives and more importantly the UAW using our money with no plan for assurance of accomplishment. Purely 100% political just like the stuff being currently spewed by Obama at the union meetings this past week. "They wanted to shut you down" = BS! He also inferred Romney would have allowed your company to shut down, lose your job = BS!

Obama doesn't know the bankruptcy policy and doesn't care. And unfortunately far too many of his supporters don't understand it either...OR CARE!!

In closing, to point to the stock market as an indicator of improvement is also mis information. The stock market has been puzzling those on the edges of it for the last two years as they continued to be amazed at the continuous improvement during the midst of the so called recession. And now that the networks are hailing the breaking of 13000 the political spinners and the naieve are claiming the market is an indicator of Obama's improving economy. More political spin and BS right along side the notion that auto companies were going to close their doors and millions be unemployed....PURE UNADULTERATED POLITICAL BS!!!

And the pied piper once again raises the volume on his flute for the flock to follow....

btk

You and I are going to have to simply agree to disagree, Billie.

I spent a quarter of a century in corporate finance. Prior to that part of my career I worked for ten years as an executive with Chrysler. I have been thru dozens of bankruptcies. I know how they work. I was personally involved when the government bailed out Chrysler with loan guarantees back in 1980. And I know quite clearly what the financial condition of GM and Chrysler was in 2009, at the time the government stepped into the situation.

Little of what you said in the quoted post is accurate. GM and Chrysler were within a couple weeks of running out of money. No lender had expressed any interest whatsoever in providing them with a financing commitment, even in a bankruptcy. They might have initially filed for a Chapter 11 bankruptcy, but would have quickly modified to a Chapter 7 liquidation. If not for the government stepping in to force a plan of reorganization and provide financing, neither GM or Chrysler would be operating today.

All I can tell you is that I speak from first-hand experience.

That's the line I heard that made the compelling case for intervention.

*NO* financial institution would give a PENNY to GM to manage their way through the bankruptcy. Not a SINGLE ONE. It was liquidation all the way until the government stepped in and that's what candidates like Romney don't seem to want to acknowledge, even though it WAS on the news when this all went down.