that is a sad tale but a fact of life for many. And an even more fact of life for many, many, MANY more in years past in a similar or worse predicament who had to go out and get any job that would bring money in the front door. When I was growing up there was no menu of freebies one could ride on forever.

Yup , I think the guy you are making an example needs to go get a job or two or three.

I know and remember some who had no choice but to ride the back of trucks to get to the farms to pick what ever was in season.

Can you see any of today's "needy" doing that? Of course not...they have the federal government to take care of them......

btk

Originally Posted by waynet

so HDH a man or woman works for 30 years gets laid off by a lage corporation and cannot find work to support he and his mate. He's got 5 years to payoff the mortgage,a small car payment,and maybe a home improvement loan. I guess you want him to starve and lose everything right? You are cold

waynet: Perhaps. I lost my job at the age of 48 years. The unemployment rate was horrible and it took me nine months to find another job. I literally had to start all over again. I paid my bills and refused unemployment insurance. You know why? I have pride but then my wife and I never ask anyone, including our parents for one red cent. We paid for our wedding, our honeymoon our fueniture our homes, our education, etc. and my wife and I had the sense not to mortgage ourselves to the hilt. We set money aside for such an event as unemployment without raiding my 401k, etc.

waynet: some people are just plain bad money mnagers. they want it all and they want it now. and those are he type that many taxpayers object to supporting. CA-BISH

Originally Posted by rubicon

waynet: Perhaps. I lost my job at the age of 48 years. The unemployment rate was horrible and it took me nine months to find another job. I literally had to start all over again. I paid my bills and refused unemployment insurance. You know why? I have pride but then my wife and I never ask anyone, including our parents for one red cent. We paid for our wedding, our honeymoon our fueniture our homes, our education, etc. and my wife and I had the sense not to mortgage ourselves to the hilt. We set money aside for such an event as unemployment without raiding my 401k, etc.

waynet: some people are just plain bad money mnagers. they want it all and they want it now. and those are he type that many taxpayers object to supporting. CA-BISH

Rubicon,
I can understand what you are saying but I do not agree with all of it. Lots of people do not have the recommended 6 months of emergency money and that is not due always to a spendthrift lifestyle.

As you know, I volunteer at the Christian Food Pantry in Lady Lake. There are some who get food and are gaming the system, I know. However, there are also some old folks who are getting only a few hundred dollars on Social Security and that goes for rent and utilities. We have to have compassion on those people, don't we? A few bags of groceries and a few dollars of food stamps keeps these people alive.

I am not preaching to you or anyone else. Villagers are known for their compassion towards others.

Back in the day we didn't need food stamps, we had families. I remember as a kid every Sunday visiting Aunts, Uncles and Grandparents, some had money... some didn't but there was always "enough". Sometimes it was not so good, one Aunt specialized in what we kids called "Aunt Teresa's Spaghetti with Depression Balls"-kind of like meatballs with LOTS OF BREAD-but nobody left hungry. People helped one another, if someone was out of work they stayed with us till they got back on their feet.

Today, my friends and family have children with whole lists of what they don't like. Having these people around turns me into a short-order chef. As a child I wouldn't have dared say I didn't like something.

A few months ago at Publix there was a group collecting food donations, I always try to donate something until I looked at the list... fruit rollups? Jar spaghetti sauce? Prepared foods? I'd say these people don't know what hungry is. I could make a huge pot of pasta fazool for the price of those fruit rollups. Maybe they should lay off the prepared foods and learn how to cook.

Originally Posted by waynet

so HDH a man or woman works for 30 years gets laid off by a lage corporation and cannot find work to support he and his mate. He's got 5 years to payoff the mortgage,a small car payment,and maybe a home improvement loan. I guess you want him to starve and lose everything right? You are cold

Wow, glad you libs can always make the Large Corporation as part of your mantra, as if someone can't get laid off from a small business.

Probably BIG oil too.

Originally Posted by waynet

so HDH a man or woman works for 30 years gets laid off by a lage corporation and cannot find work to support he and his mate. He's got 5 years to payoff the mortgage,a small car payment,and maybe a home improvement loan. I guess you want him to starve and lose everything right? You are cold

I still want to help people,But clean up the fraud,which those on the left do not want to do anything at all.They just think it's fine the way it is.That is just crazy.If you think those on the right here wants to throw people on the street your dead wrong.All I want is the system fixed which Dems don't want,Why?Maybe because the might lose so votes?I don't mine paying my share.Just don't waste it.

Originally Posted by waynet

so HDH a man or woman works for 30 years gets laid off by a lage corporation and cannot find work to support he and his mate. He's got 5 years to payoff the mortgage,a small car payment,and maybe a home improvement loan. I guess you want him to starve and lose everything right? You are cold

Maybe you're talking about a guy who worked for 30 years, kept himself in late model cars which he drove in the latest designer clothes, took great vacations every year without really making any attempt to provide for his future.

This could be the guy you're crying about.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Rubicon,
I can understand what you are saying but I do not agree with all of it. Lots of people do not have the recommended 6 months of emergency money and that is not due always to a spendthrift lifestyle.

As you know, I volunteer at the Christian Food Pantry in Lady Lake. There are some who get food and are gaming the system, I know. However, there are also some old folks who are getting only a few hundred dollars on Social Security and that goes for rent and utilities. We have to have compassion on those people, don't we? A few bags of groceries and a few dollars of food stamps keeps these people alive.

I am not preaching to you or anyone else. Villagers are known for their compassion towards others.

Buggyone, re-read what I said its the. Its the reckless and feckless we are talking about. No one would begrudge a person truly in need that made every attempt to care for themselves. However we have some folks who believe feeding at the government trough is a civil right generation after generation. When will it stop...when we all go under because some people refused to fend for themselves

Look at the situation in Rochester New York wherein a school monitor gets bullied and what do we do donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to her so she can retire. Please I begging someone to bully me on the golf course. That same mentality is allowing a number of people to breed just to get more of a handout. I guess the Pilgrims had it wrong when they sailed over here. They should have demanded a stipend for each family member from the King

The poor here in US need to see how really poor people have to live in places like India, Eqypt, Cambodia and Brunei. They would be thankful of what they had.

As for me, I give to reliable charities.

The way food stamps can be used to get a sandwich at a C store burns me up. The food trucks should arrive on set days. Dry milk, cheese, flour, ground meats and canned veggies etc. Folks can cook it and pack a lunch when they are out looking for work.

HDH,to say people on the left don't want to prevent fraud in the food stamp program or any other program is just wrong. It's like me saying the right doesn't want to clean up corporate fraud. No one wants fraud in any program period.

Richie,you are unbelieveable. I am talking about my next door neighbor whose wife is still working. Yes,he did take vacations with his children,no he didn't have the latest car and no designer clothing. He worked hard and took care of his family. He has saved for his retirement 401K and some other savings. Try helping put 3 kids through college,clothing them,feeding them.Next you'll tell me they shouldn't have kids. Please don't respond to what you think I'm talking about. If you dont want to help people just say so.

Originally Posted by waynet

so HDH a man or woman works for 30 years gets laid off by a lage corporation and cannot find work to support he and his mate. He's got 5 years to payoff the mortgage,a small car payment,and maybe a home improvement loan. I guess you want him to starve and lose everything right? You are cold

Originally Posted by waynet

Richie,you are unbelieveable. I am talking about my next door neighbor whose wife is still working. Yes,he did take vacations with his children,no he didn't have the latest car and no designer clothing. He worked hard and took care of his family. He has saved for his retirement 401K and some other savings. Try helping put 3 kids through college,clothing them,feeding them.Next you'll tell me they shouldn't have kids. Please don't respond to what you think I'm talking about. If you dont want to help people just say so.

Get off it Wayne.

In your post you say "A man or woman works 30 years...blah, blah, blah"

This doesn't sound like anybody you know and appears to be a fable to make some point about.......whatever.

Now it's a guy you know who's wife is still working. (who was the woman in the first post?)

Sorry, I don't believe you in your second post. I think you're making this family up out of whole cloth.

Originally Posted by waynet

HDH,to say people on the left don't want to prevent fraud in the food stamp program or any other program is just wrong. It's like me saying the right doesn't want to clean up corporate fraud. No one wants fraud in any program period.

Wrong i doubt it,just look at the posts on this site they call names say the other side is lying ,watch the news every time its brought up they say the problem is a very small % which is crap.I can go back north and 5 mins can get you steaks or what ever at 50% from some moron selling to raise money for some vise.Everyone wants to blame corps,who owns them?all of us if you are getting a pension its because of their earnings of stock in your plan even if from the public sector.You fall for that crap that their are these big evil corps and need to take more from them.All you are doing taking it from yourself in one way or another.less return in your 401k or pension or they raise price of product to keep profit levels and you pay more.The left just wants to tax and spend and build their base,Corps pay to much taxes now.So they move off shore and we lose if we had tax rates on par with the rest of the free world their might be more jobs. You know why union jobs are going away?because they did to them self.When you have janitors in uaw making 80 to 100k a year something is wrong.This I know they were paid same rate as anyone in plant.when times were good would make over 100k cleaning johns. We bring up voters fraud,the left say they are trying to stop people from voting.Here they say we are profiling hispanic's well i ask you how many illegal swedes are in south fla.some times you need to have a little common sense which seems to be lacking when it comes to the left.When they compared drivers license data to voters roles it flagged about 180k that might be illegal.The left says bs.Are people that dumb to believe that the republicans in the state could make this up and not get caught?Never once have I heard people on this site or on the news on the left say maybe we should look in to it.All they say is we are trying to stop people from voting.When it comes to obama care most on the left love it,They don't have a clue what its done to working family's in last 2 years,some are paying 300 to 500 a month increases in ins prem.a in employee plans and get far less t coverage. When I see or hear 1 person on the left say maybe we ought to look at voters fraud or welfare fraud of some sort then I will agree with you.But have not heard that in my adult life and never will.All they care about is their base and creating more of it.Ann Coulter the loon on the right wrote a book titled If the liberals had brains they wood be republicans.I'm starting to think she may be right.

Have you heard the radio ads promoting people to go on food stamps. Put out by the USDA.