Originally Posted by Bucco

Samhass.....the thread was about the candidates for public office and from my point of view I was responding about THAT PARTICULAR area and nothing more.
An education is vital in todays world, the more the better...my point was only that I felt that character, heart, judgement, etc was more important in electing someone to office !

Sorry Bucco. I was the one who did the hijacking.

Sorry Bucco. I was the one who did the hijacking.
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My lips are sealed !!!

In my 17.75 year fight to get links to and or materials for survivors of crimes in libraries which seems very much a thing of common sense, I have come up against the normal way of doing things which is usually defended by people with quite a number of degrees after their name.

The degrees to me just seem to mean that you know the specialized jargon and how to apply it within a small group of academics.

I remember how many books at the various universities' libraries I have been in had never been opened and were probably never going to be actually checked out and taken home.

I do not really care what Senator John McCain did in his studies back when he was 20 or so. Would like to know how he is going to fix the many problems that this country now has after 8 years of Republican leadership in the White House and about 4 years of it in Congress.

Governor Palin does not strike me as someone who has been in an ivory tower who is really only good for speaking with others who have also been in those ivory towers.

Senator Obama is a great communicator who has mastered how to talk with anyone from any walk of life so I am excited about that. He seems to have that in common with Ronald Reagan if not much else.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac

In my 17.75 year fight to get links to resources for survivors of crimes in libraries which seems very much a thing of common sense, I have come up against the normal way of doing things which is usually defended by people with quite a number of degrees after their name.

The degrees to me just seem to mean that you know the specialized jargon and how to apply it within a small group of academics.

I remember how many books at the various universities' libraries I have been in had never been opened and were probably never going to be actually checked out and taken home.

I do not really care what Senator John McCain did in his studies back when he was 20 or so. Would like to know how he is going to fix the many problems that this country now has after 8 years of Republican leadership in the White House and about 4 years of it in Congress.

Governor Palin does not strike me as someone who has been in an ivory tower who is really only good for speaking with others who have also been in those ivory towers.

Senator Obama is a great communicator who has mastered how to talk with anyone from any walk of life so I am excited about that. He seems to have that in common with Ronald Reagan if not much else.

You know Tal, with all of your degrees, to show this humility and deep logic about education, shows you truly are a BRILLIANT person, who by the way is always johhny-on-the-spot with information for us. How many forums have someone with an MLS on board?? We here at TOTV sure are lucky to have YOU!

Whoops. I hijacked again.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac

In my 17.75 year fight to get links to resources for survivors of crimes in libraries which seems very much a thing of common sense, I have come up against the normal way of doing things which is usually defended by people with quite a number of degrees after their name.

The degrees to me just seem to mean that you know the specialized jargon and how to apply it within a small group of academics.

I remember how many books at the various universities' libraries I have been in had never been opened and were probably never going to be actually checked out and taken home.

I do not really care what Senator John McCain did in his studies back when he was 20 or so. Would like to know how he is going to fix the many problems that this country now has after 8 years of Republican leadership in the White House and about 4 years of it in Congress.

Governor Palin does not strike me as someone who has been in an ivory tower who is really only good for speaking with others who have also been in those ivory towers.

Seantor Obama is a great communicator who has mastered how to talk with anyone from any walk of life so I am excited about that. He seems to have that in common with Ronald Reagan if not much else.

Nor am I impressed with "great orators" as they often are talking heads with excellent theatrical skills but often hampered with little ability otherwise. In my decades in the convince others business, I've found that bipartisanship (whether in the business world or in poliltics) understanding, cooperation and negotiation provides the only true success, and a President who does not have those demonstrated skills and mutual respect from "the other side" is doomed to mediocrity.

Last night President Clinton apeared on the Larry King show. While Pres. Clinton did follow the party position regarding Sen. Obama, Pres.Clinton made it a point to describe Sen. McCain as a professional who worked with Pres. Clinton on many matters (i.e., opening relations with Vietnam , etc.) in the spirit of bipartisanship because it was the right thing to do. While others don't seem to want to remember how Sen. McCain did these things, Pres. Clinton did, an that is significant that he brought this up when he did not have to.

There is a tremendous difference between communicating with one or more in a proactive exchange of ideas, and unilteral broadcasting to a receptive audience not in position to participate in an exchange.

Orators broadcast, and can do so with great persuasiveness to an admiring audience despite no knowledge of the content of the material. Communicators need a combination of knowledge and skill to include the ability to exchange ideas from a technical standpoint and negotiate effectively. We need to insure we don't confuse the skill to negotiate and convince with that of boradcast salesmanship to the masses. No orator has ever been successful in the House or the Senate in effecting the passage of legislation, but a communicator rarely fails.