Originally Posted by Guest

Really?

Well, isn't eliminating Obamacare..."making things different and trying something different?"

Surely you knew, that's what the Repub's have been screaming about doing for years now?

I hope I'm wrong, but it sure sounds like you voted for Chump.

If so...how's that vote feel now?

Still feeling "selfless?"

Sure it is but a vote for Hillary would have made our Obamacare continue uninterrupted and I would have worried a whole lot less. A vote for Donald would be a crap shoot. Either way to say I was bought is off base. If you knew me for any amount of time you would know that to be an impossibility. I am not wealthy but I believe I am principled. If it was Hillary I would be sad she lost and if it was Donald I hope we survive it. God Help Us All! Even if someone on here loves The Donald you have to admit he is one scary dude. Take Care. See You Guys In 30 Days. I enjoy it here more when I take a break. Stay Healthly.

How do you pry away entitlements from the hands of freebie addicts?

The repeal and replacement for ACA included plans for returning control of Medicaid to the states were it could be better managed.

Medicaid originated to care for widows, their children and the disabled. Today it doesn't take much to get on board for a free ride on the Medicaid train. Its budget is busting at the seams

The federal government has mismanaged Social Security [I]nsurance, Medicare, Medicaid, VA and a number of other federal agencies. the federal government admits it cannot control fraud and waste and yet people applaud the failure of GOP to remedy this situation.

The Democratic Party/aka Socialist Republic of America continues its agenda to make economic slaves of us all. It has incorporated the ghetto mentality of always being victims. Democratic leaders , who by the way, live in the wealthiest zip code areas of the country, play to those victims because they understand vote getting and they fear where Trump's agenda of free market, law and order is going and its going in the opposite direction of their socialist agenda.

Some of us grew up in a time and a place when people were shamed for going on welfare and for not providing for themselves and their families. A man was expected to carry his weight and that of his family There was a time and place where if a neighbor did fall on hard times neighbors personally gave them a hand up, helped them find a job ,etc. Now one demands nanny government
provide. Nothing is free and that hand out is costing each and every person more of their freedoms then they recognize

Immigrants flock here illegally because America provides better for them then they can for themselves.

THANK GOD ,ER, GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THAT THEY HAVE AN INEXHAUSTIBLE SOURCE OF MONEY, ITS CALLED TAXPAYERS AND THE SCHEME IS CALLED INCOME REDISTRIBUTION.

An obsolete American concept is "self-sufficiency"

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

How do you pry away entitlements from the hands of freebie addicts?

The repeal and replacement for ACA included plans for returning control of Medicaid to the states were it could be better managed.

Medicaid originated to care for widows, their children and the disabled. Today it doesn't take much to get on board for a free ride on the Medicaid train. Its budget is busting at the seams

The federal government has mismanaged Social Security [I]nsurance, Medicare, Medicaid, VA and a number of other federal agencies. the federal government admits it cannot control fraud and waste and yet people applaud the failure of GOP to remedy this situation.

The Democratic Party/aka Socialist Republic of America continues its agenda to make economic slaves of us all. It has incorporated the ghetto mentality of always being victims. Democratic leaders , who by the way, live in the wealthiest zip code areas of the country, play to those victims because they understand vote getting and they fear where Trump's agenda of free market, law and order is going and its going in the opposite direction of their socialist agenda.

Some of us grew up in a time and a place when people were shamed for going on welfare and for not providing for themselves and their families. A man was expected to carry his weight and that of his family There was a time and place where if a neighbor did fall on hard times neighbors personally gave them a hand up, helped them find a job ,etc. Now one demands nanny government
provide. Nothing is free and that hand out is costing each and every person more of their freedoms then they recognize

Immigrants flock here illegally because America provides better for them then they can for themselves.

THANK GOD ,ER, GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THAT THEY HAVE AN INEXHAUSTIBLE SOURCE OF MONEY, ITS CALLED TAXPAYERS AND THE SCHEME IS CALLED INCOME REDISTRIBUTION.

An obsolete American concept is "self-sufficiency"

Personal Best Regards:

Two questions because I understand the feelings you manifest..

1. Is it necessary to label every person and demean them when discussing entitlements ? Can we not discuss it without demeaning people less fortunate than us ?

2. Where is Trump on entitlements ?

Originally Posted by Guest

How do you pry away entitlements from the hands of freebie addicts?

The repeal and replacement for ACA included plans for returning control of Medicaid to the states were it could be better managed.

Medicaid originated to care for widows, their children and the disabled. Today it doesn't take much to get on board for a free ride on the Medicaid train. Its budget is busting at the seams

The federal government has mismanaged Social Security [I]nsurance, Medicare, Medicaid, VA and a number of other federal agencies. the federal government admits it cannot control fraud and waste and yet people applaud the failure of GOP to remedy this situation.

The Democratic Party/aka Socialist Republic of America continues its agenda to make economic slaves of us all. It has incorporated the ghetto mentality of always being victims. Democratic leaders , who by the way, live in the wealthiest zip code areas of the country, play to those victims because they understand vote getting and they fear where Trump's agenda of free market, law and order is going and its going in the opposite direction of their socialist agenda.

Some of us grew up in a time and a place when people were shamed for going on welfare and for not providing for themselves and their families. A man was expected to carry his weight and that of his family There was a time and place where if a neighbor did fall on hard times neighbors personally gave them a hand up, helped them find a job ,etc. Now one demands nanny government
provide. Nothing is free and that hand out is costing each and every person more of their freedoms then they recognize

Immigrants flock here illegally because America provides better for them then they can for themselves.

THANK GOD ,ER, GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THAT THEY HAVE AN INEXHAUSTIBLE SOURCE OF MONEY, ITS CALLED TAXPAYERS AND THE SCHEME IS CALLED INCOME REDISTRIBUTION.

An obsolete American concept is "self-sufficiency"

Personal Best Regards:

That was before women became "independent".

That was before neighborhoods "diversified".

It's called "borrowing" and THAT is how we "pay our bills", over $1 trillion a year. Borrowed and given to idiots who CAN'T take care of themselves.

White MEN are self sufficient...women and minorities...are not. The reason for women? To allow men to reproduce.

Originally Posted by Guest

How do you pry away entitlements from the hands of freebie addicts?

The repeal and replacement for ACA included plans for returning control of Medicaid to the states were it could be better managed.

Medicaid originated to care for widows, their children and the disabled. Today it doesn't take much to get on board for a free ride on the Medicaid train. Its budget is busting at the seams

The federal government has mismanaged Social Security [I]nsurance, Medicare, Medicaid, VA and a number of other federal agencies. the federal government admits it cannot control fraud and waste and yet people applaud the failure of GOP to remedy this situation.

The Democratic Party/aka Socialist Republic of America continues its agenda to make economic slaves of us all. It has incorporated the ghetto mentality of always being victims. Democratic leaders , who by the way, live in the wealthiest zip code areas of the country, play to those victims because they understand vote getting and they fear where Trump's agenda of free market, law and order is going and its going in the opposite direction of their socialist agenda.

Some of us grew up in a time and a place when people were shamed for going on welfare and for not providing for themselves and their families. A man was expected to carry his weight and that of his family There was a time and place where if a neighbor did fall on hard times neighbors personally gave them a hand up, helped them find a job ,etc. Now one demands nanny government
provide. Nothing is free and that hand out is costing each and every person more of their freedoms then they recognize

Immigrants flock here illegally because America provides better for them then they can for themselves.

THANK GOD ,ER, GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THAT THEY HAVE AN INEXHAUSTIBLE SOURCE OF MONEY, ITS CALLED TAXPAYERS AND THE SCHEME IS CALLED INCOME REDISTRIBUTION.

An obsolete American concept is "self-sufficiency"

Personal Best Regards:

"yet people applaud the failure of GOP to remedy this situation"

Where was the gop when this has been going on for years, during their tenure. It's just like Obamacare, the gop has been railing against it since the day it became law. When the gop, trump, came in they had no replacement. Eight years to construct a replacement and they tried to come up with a bill in one month. Pathetic!

Originally Posted by Guest

"yet people applaud the failure of GOP to remedy this situation"

Where was the gop when this has been going on for years, during their tenure. It's just like Obamacare, the gop has been railing against it since the day it became law. When the gop, trump, came in they had no replacement. Eight years to construct a replacement and they tried to come up with a bill in one month. Pathetic!

I guess your liberal talking points never explained to you the fact that Harry Reid (you know, that nasty little liberal turd in the senate) stopped a hundred House passed bills. When you suggest that Republicans never did anything in the last 8 years, well it just shows your ignorance. After all, the Dems did have control for 8 years.

Originally Posted by Guest

Sure it is but a vote for Hillary would have made our Obamacare continue uninterrupted and I would have worried a whole lot less. A vote for Donald would be a crap shoot. Either way to say I was bought is off base. If you knew me for any amount of time you would know that to be an impossibility. I am not wealthy but I believe I am principled. If it was Hillary I would be sad she lost and if it was Donald I hope we survive it. God Help Us All! Even if someone on here loves The Donald you have to admit he is one scary dude. Take Care. See You Guys In 30 Days. I enjoy it here more when I take a break. Stay Healthly.

You do not seem to grasp the fact that Obamacare is failing and will be dead by the end of the year. And you also seem to think that the gov could not have helped everyone better if they would have read the bill and worked out a better alternative. It costs too much. First thing Obamacare did was steal almost a trillion bucks from Medicare. Is that fair? Do you hate old people? Now, there are many states that are down to one or two insurance companies in the Obamacare pool. And they will be gone by the end of the year. Private insurance companies have to make money for their stock holders. You know, those that wish to or are already retired and living off of stock market earnings?

Obamacare has only about 6 million more folks with health care than in 2009. There are still over 31 million without health care. If Obamacare was so great, why so many still don't have it? And why is it that folks like me on a budget, have had to pay drastically higher for my insurance so that someone else that pays nothing or little gets better coverage than I do? Why should a large group of working folks have to pay thousands in high insurance premiums and even higher deductibles before they even get to use their insurance? Most folks will never use enough insurance to break even. I know people that are paying a combined premium and deductible amount of as much as $20K per year.

Originally Posted by Guest

You do not seem to grasp the fact that Obamacare is failing and will be dead by the end of the year. And you also seem to think that the gov could not have helped everyone better if they would have read the bill and worked out a better alternative. It costs too much. First thing Obamacare did was steal almost a trillion bucks from Medicare. Is that fair? Do you hate old people? Now, there are many states that are down to one or two insurance companies in the Obamacare pool. And they will be gone by the end of the year. Private insurance companies have to make money for their stock holders. You know, those that wish to or are already retired and living off of stock market earnings?

Obamacare has only about 6 million more folks with health care than in 2009. There are still over 31 million without health care. If Obamacare was so great, why so many still don't have it? And why is it that folks like me on a budget, have had to pay drastically higher for my insurance so that someone else that pays nothing or little gets better coverage than I do? Why should a large group of working folks have to pay thousands in high insurance premiums and even higher deductibles before they even get to use their insurance? Most folks will never use enough insurance to break even. I know people that are paying a combined premium and deductible amount of as much as $20K per year.

I have on simple question.

I hear you mouthing and saying Trumps words, but I hear very little in the way of concrete information from any of you OR HIM to substantiate that. So if you could enlighten me without the proverbial ancedotal stories and just simple facts that show what you say.

I was so very opposed to Obama Care....anyone who read my posts as Bucco knows that, but here is the story.

We have decided, both Republican and Democrats that we will have some kind of national insurance, that is if the statements from the WH are true. Thus, why did not the President who basically said this over and over on the campaign trail....insurance for everyone etc...why did he and the Republican party simply work together with the other side to fix the current situation. Is it that important who proposes it ? Is it not for the country and not for any party ??

I still do not understand that and admit I am not even close to understanding all of this. Oh, I read posters on here who mimic the WH and "think" they get it...they "think" they understand it but they do not. They simply mouth the party line and that includes BOTH parties.

If you mean what you say Mr President and it is easy to come to agreement, then get at it and stop talking.

Originally Posted by Guest

I have on simple question.

I hear you mouthing and saying Trumps words, but I hear very little in the way of concrete information from any of you OR HIM to substantiate that. So if you could enlighten me without the proverbial ancedotal stories and just simple facts that show what you say.

I was so very opposed to Obama Care....anyone who read my posts as Bucco knows that, but here is the story.

We have decided, both Republican and Democrats that we will have some kind of national insurance, that is if the statements from the WH are true. Thus, why did not the President who basically said this over and over on the campaign trail....insurance for everyone etc...why did he and the Republican party simply work together with the other side to fix the current situation. Is it that important who proposes it ? Is it not for the country and not for any party ??

I still do not understand that and admit I am not even close to understanding all of this. Oh, I read posters on here who mimic the WH and "think" they get it...they "think" they understand it but they do not. They simply mouth the party line and that includes BOTH parties.

If you mean what you say Mr President and it is easy to come to agreement, then get at it and stop talking.

Use google. I did. There are already at least five states that are down to only one insurance provider for the Obiecare pool. Many others are down to two and are predicted to lose those. You do not have to be a brain surgeon or listen to Trump to see the future of Obiecare. After all even the left admits that it was doomed to fail so that Hillary could bring in a single payer system.

Why would you expect the party that refused to listen to logic when creating Obamacare to listen to (or use) logic to fix it?
I am waiting for the day when someone says "Yeah, obamacare has failed, but only because we haven't tried REAL obamacare yet!"

Originally Posted by Guest

Why would you expect the party that refused to listen to logic when creating Obamacare to listen to (or use) logic to fix it?
I am waiting for the day when someone says "Yeah, obamacare has failed, but only because we haven't tried REAL obamacare yet!"

You mean like their OTHER delusion? Equality... "We'll achieve equality when the white people are gone...when white men are gone".

I have said it a number of times BEFORE the election and since, and now as an official independent I can say....I am ashamed of the Republican Party....this is Paul Ryan speaking of his concerns on the President and health care "What I worry about, Norah, is that if we don't do this, then he'll just go work with Democrats to try and change Obamacare, and that's hardly a conservative thing," Ryan told CBS reporter Norah O'Donnell.

Ryan: Trump could work with Democrats on AHCA, Obamacare if GOP fails - Business Insider

And the beat goes on...and on...and on. We now have a party leader who does not want two parties working together.


"WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump trained his fire on members of his own party Thursday, declaring in the aftermath of the Republican’s failed health care push that the conservative Freedom Caucus will hurt the entire GOP agenda. He vowed to “fight them” in 2018 if they don’t get behind him.

The Trump tweet highlighted the growing schism in a Republican party that controls the White House and both branches of Congress yet appears to be teetering on the precipice of a civil war. Republicans plunged into a blame game over the demise of the years-long push to repeal and replace President Barack Obama’s signature health care legislation, with members sniping at each other over how much they can work with Democrats — or even the White House.

His poll numbers falling and his plans to move onto tax reform and a robust infrastructure program imperiled, Trump took to Twitter to attack the conservative group that many in the White House hold responsible for sabotaging last week’s health care vote.

“The Freedom Caucus will hurt the entire Republican agenda if they don’t get on the team, & fast. We must fight them, & Dems, in 2018!” Trump said.

But the group remained unbowed, with several members immediately hitting back against a president whose agenda has stalled, whose approval ratings are hovering below 40 percent and who has been dogged by the ongoing probe into contacts between his associates and Russian officials.

As GOP schism grows, Donald Trump attacks fellow Republicans | Chicago Sun-Times

He didn't seem to scare the Freedom Caucus


"WASHINGTON — When Representative Mark Sanford of South Carolina, fresh off helping torpedo his party’s bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act, showed up at the Berkeley County Republican meeting on Saturday, he was met with applause and praise in one of the most conservative corners of his district.

So less than a week later, after President Trump on Thursday warned the Freedom Caucus that he would “fight them” when they face re-election next year, Mr. Sanford was hardly cowering in fear. Instead, he and other members of the Freedom Caucus returned fire.

“Intimidation may work with some in the short term, but it never really works in the long run,” Mr. Sanford said, adding that Mr. Trump should interpret the recalcitrance of conservative lawmakers as an indication of a flawed bill: “What you can’t do is shoot messengers.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/u...ucus.html?_r=0