The tragic shooting of Congresswoman Giffords and senseless killings of a Federal judge and 5 others including a 9 year old girl in Arizona has me wondering why handguns are allowed to be owned by individuals.

Sarah Palin's website had actually put a picture of Gifford's district on it with crosshairs drawn in as a target for their Republican challenge to her. Gifford's Republican challenger, Jesse Kelly, had fundraisers of shooting an M-16 rifle. His website had him dressed in combat gear with an M-16.

Palin has expressed her condolences. Yeah, who believes that?

Kelly's spokesman says he sees no connection between the shooting of the Congresswoman and the militant fundraising. Yeah, who believes that?

The shooter was obvisously a deranged person but these ideas were planted somehow. Who is to blame? How did such a person get a gun?

What proof do you have either Palin or Kelly had any influence on this crime?
None
Shame on you.
His friend describes the shooter as a far left winger. The shooter lists both The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf among his favorite books, hardly favorites of Palin and Kelly.
Now if the shooter had listed the United States Constitution as his favorite, you may have had a point.
Knock it off.
JJ

If you want to talk about gun laws and the belief that guns cause homocides and crime, take a look at Switzerland. And I have to second JimJoe, except for the Constitution part. It is too early to speculate about his motives or anything about the case yet IMO.

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

If you want to talk about gun laws and the belief that guns cause homocides and crime, take a look at Switzerland. And I have to second JimJoe, except for the Constitution part. It is too early to speculate about his motives or anything about the case yet IMO.

I was being sarcastic about blaming Palin and Kelly if the shooter liked the Constitution. SOME on the left do not respect it and made ridiculous comments about it recently.
I am a strong supporter of the Constitution.
Sorry if my sarcasm was not clear.
JJ

Originally Posted by Tbugs

The tragic shooting of Congresswoman Giffords and senseless killings of a Federal judge and 5 others including a 9 year old girl in Arizona has me wondering why handguns are allowed to be owned by individuals.

Sarah Palin's website had actually put a picture of Gifford's district on it with crosshairs drawn in as a target for their Republican challenge to her. Gifford's Republican challenger, Jesse Kelly, had fundraisers of shooting an M-16 rifle. His website had him dressed in combat gear with an M-16.

Palin has expressed her condolences. Yeah, who believes that?

Kelly's spokesman says he sees no connection between the shooting of the Congresswoman and the militant fundraising. Yeah, who believes that?

The shooter was obvisously a deranged person but these ideas were planted somehow. Who is to blame? How did such a person get a gun?

Jared Loughner and perhaps one other person is responsible !!!

Your sarcasm and continual personal attacks aside, Jared Loughner is responsible.

The perpetrator wanted to start his own currency. among other things. It's like a line from All in the Family:

Mike: "Did you know that (x - number) of people were killed with handguns last year"

Archie: "Would it make you feel any better if there were stabbed?"

Why do we allow handguns? We just had an example of why. Because, here in New Hampshire, a few days ago, someone held off an intruder until the police showed up. The homeowner had a legal firearm and the perpetrator turned out to be someone involved with the most notoroius murder in New Hampshire in 20 years. Now said perp is behind bars.

I can guess as well as anyone else. This man was probably showing early Schizophrenia as that usually happens about this age. Does that excuse him...I certainly don't know.

Is a political party to blame here? I think absolutely not. This patriotic woman who I am admiring more and more as I hear more about her, was an avid proponent of the second amendment so she herself would not condemn the right to carry a gun.

She was doing what she believed in and it appears that her peers from both sides of the aisle like and respect her very much. Her husband is described as being "beside himself" right now. Of course he is. It is personal and tragic and terrible, especially to her family and the people who are close to her.The seconds and minutes are dragging by like years for them as she is unresponsive in her drug induced coma.

The world has changed and more sick people know more, and more quickly about where public figures are.

Sadly, now, much has to be changed about how freely our congress can move about the world.

It isn't new, that people serving in these capacities are targeted. We have a lot of assassinations in our history.

We just can't make this deed political when it isn't. Other than someone was incensed about one of her beliefs, perhaps.

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I can guess as well as anyone else. This man was probably showing early Schizophrenia as that usually happens about this age. Does that excuse him...I certainly don't know.

Is a political party to blame here? I think absolutely not. This patriotic woman who I am admiring more and more as I hear more about her, was an avid proponent of the second amendment so she herself would not condemn the right to carry a gun.

She was doing what she believed in and it appears that her peers from both sides of the aisle like and respect her very much. Her husband is described as being "beside himself" right now. Of course he is. It is personal and tragic and terrible, especially to her family and the people who are close to her.The seconds and minutes are dragging by like years for them as she is unresponsive in her drug induced coma.

The world has changed and more sick people know more, and more quickly about where public figures are.

Sadly, now, much has to be changed about how freely our congress can move about the world.

It isn't new, that people serving in these capacities are targeted. We have a lot of assassinations in our history.

We just can't make this deed political when it isn't. Other than someone was incensed about one of her beliefs, perhaps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...an_politicians

Some of these assassinations seemed to occur at the politician's home while shooting through a window.

And there are many people with mental illnesses like schizophrenia who never do anything violent.

The 2010 political climate does seem to have contributed to this 22 year old's frame of mind and its sounds like he had the intent to take lives and planned this out. Sounds like premeditated murder to me.

Originally Posted by JimJoe

I was being sarcastic about blaming Palin and Kelly if the shooter liked the Constitution. SOME on the left do not respect it and made ridiculous comments about it recently.
I am a strong supporter of the Constitution.
Sorry if my sarcasm was not clear.
JJ

I am saddened by the content of the first 3 posts regarding this tragic event. Did anyone of you think about the young 9 year old girl who was struck down by this nut job. You should all be ashamed of yourselfs...one of you wants to blame Palin, one wants proof and thinks he is a left wing nut and I am not sure about the Swiss post.

Now is not the time for finger pointing...this is a time for grief.

Originally Posted by cologal

I am saddened by the content of the first 3 posts regarding this tragic event. Did anyone of you think about the young 9 year old girl who was struck down by this nut job. You should all be ashamed of yourselfs...one of you wants to blame Palin, one wants proof and thinks he is a left wing nut and I am not sure about the Swiss post.

Now is not the time for finger pointing...this is a time for grief.

We cannot remain silent when people make charges about our politicians without proof, and then when we respond with a simple statement demanding proof and providing our own proof that in fact the criminal was on the opposite side of politics, I should be ashamed?
You have to be kidding.
Of course there were many innocent victims of this terrible crime which further proves it was not politically motivated. This crime is more about our society's unwillingness to do something about mentally ill people before they commit serious crimes.
But I refuse allow the left to falsely accuse the right of being responsible without at least asking for proof, even if you are going to accuse me of being shameless for doing so. That is ridiculous.
JJ

Originally Posted by JimJoe

We cannot remain silent when people make charges about our politicians without proof, and then when we respond with a simple statement demanding proof and providing our own proof that in fact the criminal was on the opposite side of politics, I should be ashamed?
You have to be kidding.
Of course there were many innocent victims of this terrible crime which further proves it was not politically motivated. This crime is more about our society's unwillingness to do something about mentally ill people before they commit serious crimes.
But I refuse allow the left to falsely accuse the right of being responsible without at least asking for proof, even if you are going to accuse me of being shameless for doing so. That is ridiculous.
JJ

I said this was a time for grief and not for finger pointing.....


You should be ashamed..... A 9 year old girl died.

Well, when Palin says it is time for her followers to "reload" and prints a map with crosshairs on a political district - it obviously is enough to cause a mentally unbalanced person to actually do it.

As for Switzerland requiring rifles in homes - that is in regard to their National Guard (well-regulated militia). Our Constitution has the 2nd Amendment for that purpose and not for everyone to own handguns. The drafters of the Constitution had no idea of how technology would advance, of course, and had no idea of a semi-automatic handgun with an extended magazine. Their weapon was a single-shot musket.

As for the light-hearted comment from Archie Bunker about stabbings vs shootings - how many political killings have been made with a knife? Last I heard was Julius Caesar. If the mentally deranged person in Tucson had a knife instead of a gun, I really doubt if 6 people would have been killed.

Originally Posted by Tbugs

Well, when Palin says it is time for her followers to "reload" and prints a map with crosshairs on a political district - it obviously is enough to cause a mentally unbalanced person to actually do it.

As for Switzerland requiring rifles in homes - that is in regard to their National Guard (well-regulated militia). Our Constitution has the 2nd Amendment for that purpose and not for everyone to own handguns. The drafters of the Constitution had no idea of how technology would advance, of course, and had no idea of a semi-automatic handgun with an extended magazine. Their weapon was a single-shot musket.

As for the light-hearted comment from Archie Bunker about stabbings vs shootings - how many political killings have been made with a knife? Last I heard was Julius Caesar. If the mentally deranged person in Tucson had a knife instead of a gun, I really doubt if 6 people would have been killed.

I will ask again.. what proof do you have this shooting or any other crime was the result of Sarah Palin or any other politician.
None.
The criminal's political leanings were in fact left. That is a fact.
JJ

Originally Posted by cologal

I said this was a time for grief and not for finger pointing.....


You should be ashamed..... A 9 year old girl died.

I was responding to an unproven serious allegation. This is not only the right thing to do, it is necessary in a free society.
You really think it is wrong to demand proof when a serious unproven charge is made?
You know you do.
JJ

Originally Posted by Tbugs

Well, when Palin says it is time for her followers to "reload" and prints a map with crosshairs on a political district - it obviously is enough to cause a mentally unbalanced person to actually do it.

As for Switzerland requiring rifles in homes - that is in regard to their National Guard (well-regulated militia). Our Constitution has the 2nd Amendment for that purpose and not for everyone to own handguns. The drafters of the Constitution had no idea of how technology would advance, of course, and had no idea of a semi-automatic handgun with an extended magazine. Their weapon was a single-shot musket.

As for the light-hearted comment from Archie Bunker about stabbings vs shootings - how many political killings have been made with a knife? Last I heard was Julius Caesar. If the mentally deranged person in Tucson had a knife instead of a gun, I really doubt if 6 people would have been killed.

This is a time for grief....a public servant following the 1st amendment of the Constitution that she just read on the floor of the House just days ago was gunned down....you should be ashamed.


A 9 year old girl died.....