Originally Posted by ladydoc

And it is posts like this that perpetuation the delusion that women who make the choice to abort are somehow inferior to those who do not. Telling a women that she kills her conscience? Maybe she is concerned about providing for the children she already has and that is on her conscience....If abortions do become illegal, it will not stop them...it will stop them from being safe. And I am talking about the old back door abortions, not the ones performed in clinics by a medically trained person..

And once again...you have NO right to make this decision for any woman. It is not your decision to make. You don't like government meddling in people's lives except for this most personal and private of decisons.....

Ignoring the life within the mother again. You were once that life. I don't have to say anything else.

Originally Posted by Loveithere

It is not just the woman involved, it is the father, the baby and God. You make it sound like the "woman" only has the right to determine life and death. What a selfish opinion!!!

Her body...her decision.

Originally Posted by djplong

I really wouldn't take much from Mother Theresa. I know I'll catch flak for this but that woman was sufferring from SOMETHING. All those hospitals she set up? Why are patients denied pain medication? Why are they denied visitation? Because Mother Theresa thought it put them closer to godliness to suffer 'like Christ did on the cross'.

And her charities? When her charity was forced by a new law in France to publicly disclose their books, they packed up and left.

Not too many people looked beyond the image that was being carefully cultivated - but sometimes, the truth leaks out:

http://www.newstatesman.com/200508220019

I did not know any of that. Very interesting. Thank you for sharing this information.

Originally Posted by ladydoc

Her body...her decision.

Again, a selfish attitude. It is the decision of the father, mother and God. The female carrier of the child is not the only soul involved.

Originally Posted by ladydoc

Her body...her decision.

Surprised that such an accomplished doctor of research can continue to blatantly ignore the fact that the unborn child, complete with it's own distinctly different and seperate set of DNA, is not "her body"...
Lame arguements like this are designed to gain the emotional and sympathetic support of the masses who have not been taught the facts yet. Hmmm....another undesireable intent from reputable honest researcher.

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

Surprised that such an accomplished doctor of research can continue to blatantly ignore the fact that the unborn child, complete with it's own distinctly different and seperate set of DNA, is not "her body"...
Lame arguements like this are designed to gain the emotional and sympathetic support of the masses who have not been taught the facts yet. Hmmm....another undesireable intent from reputable honest researcher.

Of course you are correct. The unborn baby genetic code differs entirely from the mother's. It's not part of the woman's body. The baby merely resides in the mother's womb. It is not a physical part or organ belonging to the mother. So, I would say, the mother's "right" to "control her own body" ends at the edge of the womb.

I know I'm not speaking from what has become legal in this country, but just what is pure fact and what is moral.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Of course you are correct. The unborn baby genetic code differs entirely from the mother's. It's not part of the woman's body. The baby merely resides in the mother's womb. It is not a physical part or organ belonging to the mother. So, I would say, the mother's "right" to "control her own body" ends at the edge of the womb.

I know I'm not speaking from what has become legal in this country, but just what is pure fact and what is moral.

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

Surprised that such an accomplished doctor of research can continue to blatantly ignore the fact that the unborn child, complete with it's own distinctly different and seperate set of DNA, is not "her body"...
Lame arguements like this are designed to gain the emotional and sympathetic support of the masses who have not been taught the facts yet. Hmmm....another undesireable intent from reputable honest researcher.

You cannot legislate morality. I guess I was too concrete in my original statement, so let me expand so you might understand. When I said her body, her decision, I assumed you understood that implied that she took into consideration the input of the father and her doctor. It is still her body and her decision. Your statement puts women on the level of being incubators.
We will never come to a common ground on this issue and I think this constant repartee is useless.....

Originally Posted by ladydoc

You cannot legislate morality. I guess I was too concrete in my original statement, so let me expand so you might understand. When I said her body, her decision, I assumed you understood that implied that she took into consideration the input of the father and her doctor. It is still her body and her decision. Your statement puts women on the level of being incubators.
We will never come to a common ground on this issue and I think this constant repartee is useless.....

Of course it's useless to continue this "repartee", as you say, as long as you continue to ignore the biological facts of a pregnancy.

Originally Posted by ladydoc

You cannot legislate morality. I guess I was too concrete in my original statement, so let me expand so you might understand. When I said her body, her decision, I assumed you understood that implied that she took into consideration the input of the father and her doctor. It is still her body and her decision. Your statement puts women on the level of being incubators.
We will never come to a common ground on this issue and I think this constant repartee is useless.....

More lame statements meant to appeal to the emotional responses and place the mother to be in the "poor me, victim, help me out of this mess category"...
If the constant repartee is useless, why do you continue to initiate &/or engage?

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Of course it's useless to continue this "repartee", as you say, as long as you continue to ignore the biological facts of a pregnancy.

How would you react to people who would be biologically correct in referring to the fertilized egg as a blastocyte or, to use a term that is correct but has some emotional charge to it - a parasite?

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Of course you are correct. The unborn baby genetic code differs entirely from the mother's. It's not part of the woman's body. The baby merely resides in the mother's womb. It is not a physical part or organ belonging to the mother. So, I would say, the mother's "right" to "control her own body" ends at the edge of the womb.

I know I'm not speaking from what has become legal in this country, but just what is pure fact and what is moral.

Originally Posted by djplong

How would you react to people who would be biologically correct in referring to the fertilized egg as a blastocyte or, to use a term that is correct but has some emotional charge to it - a parasite?

A rose is a rose is a rose...A rose by any other name would still smell wonderfully sweet!

Originally Posted by djplong

I really wouldn't take much from Mother Theresa...

And her charities? When her charity was forced by a new law in France to publicly disclose their books, they packed up and left.

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Who cares what the French think about Blessed Mother Teresa?

..."Abortion kills twice. It kills the body of the baby and it kills the conscience of the mother. Abortion is profoundly anti-women. Three quarters of its victims are women: Half the babies and all the mothers."
Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta

~"Those who supported slavery were free. Those who support abortion are already been born. That's how opression works." (Ronald Reagan)


~"...is it surprising that today we have become so morally blind (for wickedness blinds) that we save the baby whales at great cost, and murder millions of unborn children?"
(Alice von Hildebrand)


~"It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."
(Blessed Mother Teresa)