Originally Posted by DaleMN

From Mississippi to Maine to Ohio it turned out to be a pretty good day for Dems. Here's hoping it is a portent for 2012!

Not good for Dems
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...inion_newsreel

Of all the noise of this week's state election results, what mattered most for Election 2012 came out of Virginia. It was the sound of the air leaking out of the Plouffe plan.

Originally Posted by djplong

How would you react to people who would be biologically correct in referring to the fertilized egg as a blastocyte or, to use a term that is correct but has some emotional charge to it - a parasite?

Don't waste your time with this...I am no longer going to waste mine. Women are not incubators.

Originally Posted by ladydoc

Don't waste your time with this...I am no longer going to waste mine. Women are not incubators.

They are for 9 months, sorta. Sorry, biology is biology.

Who used the term incubator?...oh, that would be post #38 on this thread.

...but after searching out the definition of an incubator, I am happy to say it is a privilege and an honor as a woman and a mom to be labelled as such...THANKS!
1. (Medicine) Med an enclosed transparent boxlike apparatus for housing prematurely born babies under optimum conditions until they are strong enough to survive in the normal environment...http://www.thefreedictionary.com/incubator

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

Who used the term incubator?...oh, that would be post #38 on this thread.

...but after searching out the definition of an incubator, I am happy to say it is a privilege and an honor as a woman and a mom to be labelled as such...THANKS!
1. (Medicine) Med an enclosed transparent boxlike apparatus for housing prematurely born babies under optimum conditions until they are strong enough to survive in the normal environment...http://www.thefreedictionary.com/incubator

Katz,
Even without seeing you, I have a feeling that you are not "an enclosed transparent boxlike apparatus". Sorry, you just don't qualify.

Originally Posted by djplong

How would you react to people who would be biologically correct in referring to the fertilized egg as a blastocyte or, to use a term that is correct but has some emotional charge to it - a parasite?

Good question! It always amazes me how some people take whatever spin they close to put on a political, religious, or scientific statement and declare that it is a fact.

Originally Posted by HelenLCSW

Katz,
Even without seeing you, I have a feeling that you are not "an enclosed transparent boxlike apparatus". Sorry, you just don't qualify.

Thanks for sticking up for me but I am not the one who labelled women as such. See #38 on this thread in which I take that to imply that it would be a derogatory label... I am just saying that I am honored to have fulfilled a similar function by providing a safe place for my own babies under optimum conditions until they are strong enough to survive in the normal environment

Originally Posted by HelenLCSW

Good question! It always amazes me how some people take whatever spin they close to put on a political, religious, or scientific statement and declare that it is a fact.

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Originally Posted by HelenLCSW

Good question! It always amazes me how some people take whatever spin they close to put on a political, religious, or scientific statement and declare that it is a fact.

Hi Helen..I am the one who said that it is always the woman's decision to make. I also said in post 38 that when you want to interfer in a woman's right of choice and want to force her carry an embryo you are casting her in the role of an incubator....meaning that you discard her choices and desires and want to reduce her to an incubator. I stand by that post.

Here are several definitions of PARASITE taken from the same dictionary website...http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parasite

~Biology- An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host....I suppose an unborn baby fits this definition...unless different organism means as in a different species or something like that. Either way, it doesn't seem like a derogatory comparison

~parasite [ˈpӕrəsait]-an animal or plant that lives on another animal or plant without giving anything in return
No problem here, not derogatory either


~ (Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Biology) an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by itDoesn't fit this definition for couple of reasons...the host is not often harmed by it and the host, mother, will definitely be benefitted by it with the joy of a brand new baby!

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

Here are several definitions of PARASITE taken from the same dictionary website...http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parasite

~Biology- An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host....I suppose an unborn baby fits this definition...unless different organism means as in a different species or something like that. Either way, it doesn't seem like a derogatory comparison

~parasite [ˈpӕrəsait]-an animal or plant that lives on another animal or plant without giving anything in return
No problem here, not derogatory either


~ (Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Biology) an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by itDoesn't fit this definition for couple of reasons...the host is not often harmed by it and the host, mother, will definitely be benefitted by it with the joy of a brand new baby!

You don't think that parasitic behavior is deragatory? A parasite takes and does not give. This is not deragatory?

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

Thanks for sticking up for me but I am not the one who labelled women as such. See #38 on this thread in which I take that to imply that it would be a derogatory label... I am just saying that I am honored to have fulfilled a similar function by providing a safe place for my own babies under optimum conditions until they are strong enough to survive in the normal environment

Katzpajamas: You are so well versed on this subject. Clearly the underlying basis for agreeing to an abortion is individual selfishness vis a vis individual responsibility permeates our country and is destroying our culture. The inexhaustive list of reasons as to why a woman wants an abortion can never cover up that fact because the basic decision comes down to "its me or my baby". Pro abortionist conveniently ignore the fact that "the woman's decision ostenibly occurs before conception. Say that and they instantly come back with well what if the woman is raped. Statistically how often does this occur?

Beside which this dramtic attack is meant to distract from the hundreds and hundreds of woman that use abortion as a method of conception and performed repeatedly by those well doers as Planned Parenthood whose organizational name is intentionally mischaracterized.

With all the methods available to women to prevent pregnancy, including educational opportunities starting with grade school you would think that women would be better at "planned parenthood". I guess all those sex education classes offered at school that liberals are so fond of ain't working.

As to the issue of unions the argument is not about workers its about the political influence unions have even over those workers who disagree with their union choices. Union members by theway that are beginning to see that Obama is not their friend. the recent decision by Obama to set track Keystone XL is an eye opener. Green trumps blue, environmentalist trump blue collar workers. For the upteenth, we find Obama throwing supporters under the bus. Referring back to one of my early statement Obama personifies this "individual selfishness" Poor Michelle she's probaby sitting at her desk tapping her lip with her index finger and thinking to herself" Naw he would do that to me?" "Would he? "

Originally Posted by rubicon

Katzpajamas: You are so well versed on this subject. Clearly the underlying basis for agreeing to an abortion is individual selfishness vis a vis individual responsibility permeates our country and is destroying our culture. The inexhaustive list of reasons as to why a woman wants an abortion can never cover up that fact because the basic decision comes down to "its me or my baby". Pro abortionist conveniently ignore the fact that "the woman's decision ostenibly occurs before conception. Say that and they instantly come back with well what if the woman is raped. Statistically how often does this occur?

Beside which this dramtic attack is meant to distract from the hundreds and hundreds of woman that use abortion as a method of conception and performed repeatedly by those well doers as Planned Parenthood whose organizational name is intentionally mischaracterized.

With all the methods available to women to prevent pregnancy, including educational opportunities starting with grade school you would think that women would be better at "planned parenthood". I guess all those sex education classes offered at school that liberals are so fond of ain't working.

As to the issue of unions the argument is not about workers its about the political influence unions have even over those workers who disagree with their union choices. Union members by theway that are beginning to see that Obama is not their friend. the recent decision by Obama to set track Keystone XL is an eye opener. Green trumps blue, environmentalist trump blue collar workers. For the upteenth, we find Obama throwing supporters under the bus. Referring back to one of my early statement Obama personifies this "individual selfishness" Poor Michelle she's probaby sitting at her desk tapping her lip with her index finger and thinking to herself" Naw he would do that to me?" "Would he? "

OMG-I guess you forget that it takes two to fertilize an egg. How about spreading some of that holier than thou about a woman's behavior to the man? How arcaic are you? Males also take those sex ed classes. GEEZ!!!

Originally Posted by ladydoc

OMG-I guess you forget that it takes two to fertilize an egg. How about spreading some of that holier than thou about a woman's behavior to the man? How arcaic are you? Males also take those sex ed classes. GEEZ!!!

???????? Wow, are we angry here? What is an arcaic?

Originally Posted by ladydoc

You don't think that parasitic behavior is deragatory? A parasite takes and does not give. This is not deragatory?

I only responded djplong comment about unborn baby being considered by science as a parasite. Then Helen said that some just couldn't accept facts. So I looked up parasite...and now I am OK with it...so now that I am OK with it, it becomes a derogatory term...??