Pat2010 has been pleading with us to take the proposed and insulting construction of an 11 story mosque in the former shadow of the World Trade Center seriously.

It is Islam's custom to build a mosque on conquered ground to prove their superiority and they have been doing this for thousands of years.

We have to get our representatives off their cowardly backsides and demand that they deny Islam this building and religious symbol with it's implications of our symbolic surrender to the forces of radical Islam.

Please watch this video from Pat Cadell, who is not even American but British.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/pa...surprised.html

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Pat2010 has been pleading with us to take the proposed and insulting construction of an 11 story mosque in the former shadow of the World Trade Center seriously. It is Islam's custom to build a mosque on conquered ground to prove their superiority and they have been doing this for thousands of years.

Incredible. Political correctness has morphed into offensive and insulting.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

It is Islam's custom to build a mosque on conquered ground to prove their superiority and they have been doing this for thousands of years.

Care to back that up? I'd hardly consider the places I've seen in Boston and New York "conquered ground". WHere did you get that idea?

Secondly, there hasn't even been TWO thousand years since Islam was created, much less caught on. Their prophet died less than 1400 years ago. So if you want to say HUNDREDS of years, at least you have a chance of being right. Heck, even Christianity hasn't been around for two thousand years yet.

The defeat of radical Islam isn't going to come from Christians bearing their swords and marching on Mecca or anything like it. It's going to come from moderate muslims who can't stand the practices of those who pervert their religion.

It's kind of like how Catholicism is losing emmbers like crazy because the Vatican won't police their own when it comes to the sex abuse charges. Oh, sure, some die-hards won't leave but the Catholic Church is declining. This is a small example of what has to happen on a large scale concerning Islam.

Whether it's tribalism, factionalism, orthodoxy - you have to be able to police your own. The line "we are a nation of laws, not men" comes to mind.

Seems like it is fair game to criticize Christianity. It is very popular with the so called intellectuals to condemn Christianity. Maybe it is because of their nature "to turn the other cheek?"

Other religions threaten people with violence and be headings if you mock their "god."
It is very easy to be a bully when the people they "bully" do not retaliate.

Christians have a long history of violence against them. Remember the lions eating them for the Roman's entertainment?
I think that violent religions will definitely run their coarse when people get tired of the BS.

Originally Posted by djplong

Care to back that up? I'd hardly consider the places I've seen in Boston and New York "conquered ground". WHere did you get that idea?

Secondly, there hasn't even been TWO thousand years since Islam was created, much less caught on. Their prophet died less than 1400 years ago. So if you want to say HUNDREDS of years, at least you have a chance of being right. Heck, even Christianity hasn't been around for two thousand years yet.

The defeat of radical Islam isn't going to come from Christians bearing their swords and marching on Mecca or anything like it. It's going to come from moderate muslims who can't stand the practices of those who pervert their religion.

It's kind of like how Catholicism is losing emmbers like crazy because the Vatican won't police their own when it comes to the sex abuse charges. Oh, sure, some die-hards won't leave but the Catholic Church is declining. This is a small example of what has to happen on a large scale concerning Islam.

Whether it's tribalism, factionalism, orthodoxy - you have to be able to police your own. The line "we are a nation of laws, not men" comes to mind.

1. The Temple Mount in Jerusalem

2. Check 3rd paragraph http://www.muslimheritage.com/topics...?ArticleID=524

3. Check 4th paragraph in 2nd section "History and Development" http://i-cias.com/e.o/mosque.htm

I can't for the life of me figure out why you are tolerant of this mosque in the WTC's shadow. This is from a religion that is burning down churches in the world faster than you can defend them.

...And just when are these "moderate muslims" going to stand up and be counted? Haven't heard much from them yet, and I suspect we won't either. They fear their own too much for that.

djplong, in very, very basic terms, Christianity, Islam and Judaism didn't just pop up out of the blue. Christianity, Judaism and Islam share their roots. The split comes in the Messiah spoken of in the Torah, the Old Testament and the Koran. These three are referred to as the Abrahamic religions.

Arabic people are the Children of Abraham (who was Abram prior to his covenent with God) who inhabited the “eastern country" through Abraham's firstborn son Ismael.

Jewish people are the children of Abraham through is second born son Isaac (who is the father of Jacob). Christians are the children of Christ as the Messiah through the geneology of King David.

The whole point of the Old Testament, the Koran and the Torah is the prophesies telling of the coming Messiah. Islam thinks Jesus was a prophet not the son of God or the Messiah. Of course, to the Muslims, that is Muhammed. The Jews are still waiting on the coming of the Messiah. And Christians believe Christ is the fulfulling of the prophesies spoken of in the Old Testament.

This is why all of the begats are some of the most important words in the Bible, the Koran or the the Torah. This lineage is what the Bristish Royals are all about. That is what the coronation stone symbolizes. It was Jacob's pillow when he dreams his dream of the ladder. You know the story of Jacob's ladder.

This geneology and the beginnings of these religions is the fundemental thing that has caused wars and disagreements since Eve was tempted in the Garden of Eden. Did she believe what God said or would she believe Satan.

Just for giggles, look up the history of the King Solomon, Kind Herod, the Western Wall or the Wailing Wall and the Temple Mount. Foremost, look up the history of the Dome of the Rock.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Pat2010 has been pleading with us to take the proposed and insulting construction of an 11 story mosque in the former shadow of the World Trade Center seriously.

You've got me confused, Richie, If you mean Pats2010, Didn't he(she?) start the thread "I am confused " and call the building of the mosque an atrocity? Do you maybe mean djplong?

No, djplong is in favor of it and sees no problems with them building the mosque. Where have you been??

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

No, djplong is in favor of it and sees no problems with them building the mosque. Where have you been??

Seems my CRS kicks in really strong before coffee. I did say I was confused. I had to go back and re-read several times b4 i got the thread straight. Now, anybody seen my car keys? they're not in the fridge where I think I left them!!

Originally Posted by macro

You've got me confused, Richie, If you mean Pats2010, Didn't he(she?) start the thread "I am confused " and call the building of the mosque an atrocity? Do you maybe mean djplong?

Actually Macro, Pats2010 posted 2 prior threads to this blog to start a discussion on this abomination of a proposal. I must confess I didn't participate in the prior threads because I've been a little preoccupied, but then I saw the video that I posted at the start of this thread and felt a little guilty about my silence. I wanted to give credit to Pats though for the previous threads.

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

No, djplong is in favor of it and sees no problems with them building the mosque. Where have you been??

No, what I have a problem with is double standards.

I also have a problem with hyperbole.

2 blocks further away than the proposed mosque, you ahve this:

http://www.newsok.com/quietly-anothe...le/feed/175995

And they've been there for quite some time. But they don't get press.

Fact is, most muslims are as peaceful as most Christians. But organized Christianity gets a free pass.

Tell me, has anyone opposed building new churches despite the Catholic Church giving aid and comfort to the perpetrators of child rape? Where's all the outrage over THAT? Where's the outrage over the CONTINUING abuse?

We quite rightly invaded Afghanistan for harboring the 9/11 leaders. President Bush was very clear that he was not declaring a war on all Islam, just those who pervert (accoriding to moderates) the faith to justify their hatred and wars.

What did we do, as a nation, when the Vatican called a cardinal to Rome the day before he was to be served with a subpoena in Boston regarding the Church's behavior in the the innumerable abuse cases? Nothing. We didn't recall the ambassador (who may very well have been former Boston mayor Ray Flynn at the time). We didn't so much as send a protest.

Radical muslims murder 3,000 10 years ago and everyone's still out for blood. Not that I have a big problem with that until bin Laden is rotting in a jail cell somewhere....

Kids keep getting raped every day and the Vatican is *13* years late on a report they were supposed to deliver to the UN and it gets an occasional 1-paragraph mention in something Google News digs up.

I'm getting married Sunday. My wife-to-be is Christian. I have absolutely no problem with her religion. I *do* have a problem with a lot of the heirarchies of organized religion.

So if you're going to make claims that you know what I'm in favor of or not in favor of, I figure you should at least let me give you a little more of my opinion on the matter and where I'm coming from.

No, strictly speaking, I'm not "in favor" of the mosque. Nor am I opposed to it on general principle. I don't really care one way or the other except for the double-standard that is being applied.

My cousin Sean barely escaped 9/11 with his life. I watched the towers being built when I lived in NYC until 1974. I have mixed feelings about the whole "sacred ground" concept, to be honest. My adoptive mother killed herself in a hotel room in Nashua NH but I'm not about to demand that the room never be used. I know, uneven comparison by a long shot.

The arguments over the 9/11 memorial to me would have been amusing if they weren't so tragic - the kinds of arguments that people got into. All you have to do is look at monuments all over the country to get examples of what we should have done. Yet, almost 10 years later, what's on the site? Heck, they spent years arguing over insurance proceeds and whether 9/11 was one attack or two. This is how you treat a 'sacred' site? But I digress..

We are a nation of laws, not men. "We don't want their kind" is a dangerous reason to be exclusionary. One tends to lump too many people into a given category.

There is a double standard.

Dumping all over the Christians is accepted.

Dumping over Muslims is not politically correct.

I am very sorry djplong for speaking for you. I am very sorry. I was just trying to help macro understand something and I shouldn't have spoken for you. I apologize.