"95% of all Americans will get a tax cut." First lie. "If you make under $250k per year you won't see your taxes go up one dime." Second lie... two of many so far.

The feds are raising the tabacco tax from .39 a pack to 1.01 a pack. A few weeks ago the manufactures already raised the price of a pack .71 to offset their losses so in a month the feds caused the price to go up $1.72 per pack. That's going to hit a lot of poor and middle class people.

I guess smoking isn't the best thing to do anyway but none the less it's still legal and still a freedom people have.

So how are smoke shop owners going to be hit? How many will close? How will it effect tobacco farmers? How many people may the tobacco companies lay off?

Then we have Obama's cap-n-trade coming that will cause massive price increases in gas, electricity and home heating oil costs for the average American.

Then of course he will let the Bush tax cuts expire in 2010 which will again hit each and every one of us right in the pay check.

The Obama government is a runaway freight train operating completely unchecked free to do whatever they wish and to whom ever they wish.

Yes indeed, change you can count on. Even if you voted for Obama I would strongly suggest in the next election you cast your vote to get the Republication congress back in majority. That is the ONLY chance we have to at least slow down this madness.

I just hope that enough conservatives are running. I will vote to change congress. I hope that I'm not alone.

Yoda

and now conspicuously absent have said to give the guy a chance....give him some time. We have and they were right he promised change....and all who voted for him are getting it as outlined in this thread.

And there are only 3 year and 9 months to go!!!!!!!

BTK

"The feds are raising the tabacco tax from .39 a pack to 1.01 a pack. A few weeks ago the manufactures already raised the price of a pack .71 to offset their losses so in a month the feds caused the price to go up $1.72 per pack. That's going to hit a lot of poor and middle class people."

Precisely why the so called "Fair Tax" is a big con. That's exactly what would happen to EVERYTHING if we listened to that bit of Orwellian economic theory!

Liberalism is a mental disease.
For sure.

Yoda

Originally Posted by Yoda

Liberalism is a mental disease.
For sure.

Yoda

Conservatism is a social disease.....LOL

Socialism is a political disease - and always terminal.

Originally Posted by SteveZ

Socialism is a political disease - and always terminal.

SteveZ speaks wisdom.

Originally Posted by dklassen

"The feds are raising the tabacco tax from .39 a pack to 1.01 a pack. A few weeks ago the manufactures already raised the price of a pack .71 to offset their losses so in a month the feds caused the price to go up $1.72 per pack. That's going to hit a lot of poor and middle class people.

I guess smoking isn't the best thing to do anyway but none the less it's still legal and still a freedom people have."

Funny, we spend billions to have a "War" of drugs (except for the Limbaugh kind) but illegal drugs are responsible for about 10,000 deaths a year.

On the other hand, we subsidize tobacco growers AND more than 475,000 Americans a year die of tobacco related illnesses (Lung cancer, emphysema, etc.). How many billions of taxpayer dollars go to subsidize the lethal habits of smokers? Smoking is still legal, but taxes placed on tobacco don't begin to cover the indirect costs of 1/2 million people dying every year.

Good things about the Obama Administration so far?
-Stopping the shredding of the U.S. Constitution by the Bush Admininstration which, in unprecedented treason, used "signing statements" to ignore the laws that the Congress had passed. All previous signing statements concerned the technical carrying-out of the law, not ignoring it. If the Bush Administration wanted to disagree with a Constitutionally passed law, it should have vetoed the bill.
-Stopping the illegal and unconstitutional(as determined by the U.S. Supreme Court and Congress) violation of rights regarding habeus corpus, illegal surveillance, speedy trial, etc.
-Restoring honesty and dignity to the Department of Justice
-Restoring science to departments that had been run like political ideology clubs
-Ending torture- as defined by our own courts, and by our international agreements
-Calling the war in Iraq what it is while the Bush Adminstration punished or threatened or villified anyone who questioned the dishonest coupling of 9/11 with Sadaam Hussein- the wrong war, in the wrong place, in the wrong time.
-Stopping the illegal, wholesale giveaway of pristine national parkland to developers without environmental review
-Enforcing the Supreme Court's order that the EPA allow California to set its own emission standards.
-Being honest about the cost of the war in Iraq, something the previous administration refused to do.
-Returned the science of stem cell research to science.
-Expanded children's health insurance for the poor by 5 million. Something the Republican Congress passed before, but the Bush Adm. vetoed.
-Restored environmental concerns to a scientific basis.
-Eliminated the purely ideological ban on family planning by countries receiving U.S. aid.
-Came forward with a bold (yes, risky) plan to restore a financial system that had become so unregulated that the entire world's financial system almost collapsed. The Bush Administration and John McCain kept insisting the "economy was sound." Phil Gramm, who pushed through the deregulations of hedge funds, derivatives and the like called Americans "whiners."

On taxes, why is it that Americans who make a fortune on Capital Gains (Literally "unearned income") pay virtually no tax on that income, while the working person is taxed on his/her labor? Class warfare was started by the rich to protect their assets and sources of income at the expense of people who are trying to earn a living.

On Estate taxes, why should the five Walton children each inherit 7 billion dollars a piece simply for being born to Sam Walton, and expect to not be responsible for taxation on those billions? Do you know the Bush tax "cuts" gave the Waltons an extra 2.5 billion dollars? At the same time, he conducted an unfunded war that took us from a surplus to a massive deficit.

Seems like Yoda and a few others may be afraid that something "new" is equal to something being "communist" or "socialist." Give it some time guys. We are the "passing" generation- those children and grandchildren who will be our legacy need to live in a world that is much different from ours.

I find it fascinating that Rush, Sean and locals like Sandy Mott & Joe Angione continually refer to the Obama adminstration "taking power." How Orwellian! Lacking the integrity to admit that the American people voted overwhelmingly to throw the right-wing "bums" out, they now imply that the Democrats "took" power- as in a takeover. Admit it guys- the not so "free market" economic system, the religious ideological torching of the Constitution, and the politicization of every aspect of the Executive Departments- has been rejected by a majority of the American people.

This economic crisis is as dangerous to our way of life as was 9/11. Perhaps it's time to start saying to all Americans who don't support the President's policies: You're either with us, or you're with America's enemies."

Creepy huh? Now think back to how those of us opposed to Iraq were treated.

Originally Posted by ptownrob

Funny, we spend billions to have a "War" of drugs (except for the Limbaugh kind) but illegal drugs are responsible for about 10,000 deaths a year.

On the other hand, we subsidize tobacco growers AND more than 475,000 Americans a year die of tobacco related illnesses (Lung cancer, emphysema, etc.). How many billions of taxpayer dollars go to subsidize the lethal habits of smokers? Smoking is still legal, but taxes placed on tobacco don't begin to cover the indirect costs of 1/2 million people dying every year.

Good things about the Obama Administration so far?
-Stopping the shredding of the U.S. Constitution by the Bush Admininstration which, in unprecedented treason, used "signing statements" to ignore the laws that the Congress had passed. All previous signing statements concerned the technical carrying-out of the law, not ignoring it. If the Bush Administration wanted to disagree with a Constitutionally passed law, it should have vetoed the bill.
-Stopping the illegal and unconstitutional(as determined by the U.S. Supreme Court and Congress) violation of rights regarding habeus corpus, illegal surveillance, speedy trial, etc.
-Restoring honesty and dignity to the Department of Justice
-Restoring science to departments that had been run like political ideology clubs
-Ending torture- as defined by our own courts, and by our international agreements
-Calling the war in Iraq what it is while the Bush Adminstration punished or threatened or villified anyone who questioned the dishonest coupling of 9/11 with Sadaam Hussein- the wrong war, in the wrong place, in the wrong time.
-Stopping the illegal, wholesale giveaway of pristine national parkland to developers without environmental review
-Enforcing the Supreme Court's order that the EPA allow California to set its own emission standards.
-Being honest about the cost of the war in Iraq, something the previous administration refused to do.
-Returned the science of stem cell research to science.
-Expanded children's health insurance for the poor by 5 million. Something the Republican Congress passed before, but the Bush Adm. vetoed.
-Restored environmental concerns to a scientific basis.
-Eliminated the purely ideological ban on family planning by countries receiving U.S. aid.
-Came forward with a bold (yes, risky) plan to restore a financial system that had become so unregulated that the entire world's financial system almost collapsed. The Bush Administration and John McCain kept insisting the "economy was sound." Phil Gramm, who pushed through the deregulations of hedge funds, derivatives and the like called Americans "whiners."

On taxes, why is it that Americans who make a fortune on Capital Gains (Literally "unearned income") pay virtually no tax on that income, while the working person is taxed on his/her labor? Class warfare was started by the rich to protect their assets and sources of income at the expense of people who are trying to earn a living.

On Estate taxes, why should the five Walton children each inherit 7 billion dollars a piece simply for being born to Sam Walton, and expect to not be responsible for taxation on those billions? Do you know the Bush tax "cuts" gave the Waltons an extra 2.5 billion dollars? At the same time, he conducted an unfunded war that took us from a surplus to a massive deficit.

Seems like Yoda and a few others may be afraid that something "new" is equal to something being "communist" or "socialist." Give it some time guys. We are the "passing" generation- those children and grandchildren who will be our legacy need to live in a world that is much different from ours.

I find it fascinating that Rush, Sean and locals like Sandy Mott & Joe Angione continually refer to the Obama adminstration "taking power." How Orwellian! Lacking the integrity to admit that the American people voted overwhelmingly to throw the right-wing "bums" out, they now imply that the Democrats "took" power- as in a takeover. Admit it guys- the not so "free market" economic system, the religious ideological torching of the Constitution, and the politicization of every aspect of the Executive Departments- has been rejected by a majority of the American people.

This economic crisis is as dangerous to our way of life as was 9/11. Perhaps it's time to start saying to all Americans who don't support the President's policies: You're either with us, or you're with America's enemies."

Creepy huh? Now think back to how those of us opposed to Iraq were treated.

WELL STATED....

Originally Posted by GrayGoose

WELL STATED....

Originally Posted by ptownrob

Funny, we spend billions to have a "War" of drugs (except for the Limbaugh kind) but illegal drugs are responsible for about 10,000 deaths a year.

On the other hand, we subsidize tobacco growers AND more than 475,000 Americans a year die of tobacco related illnesses (Lung cancer, emphysema, etc.). How many billions of taxpayer dollars go to subsidize the lethal habits of smokers? Smoking is still legal, but taxes placed on tobacco don't begin to cover the indirect costs of 1/2 million people dying every year.

Good things about the Obama Administration so far?
-Stopping the shredding of the U.S. Constitution by the Bush Admininstration which, in unprecedented treason, used "signing statements" to ignore the laws that the Congress had passed. All previous signing statements concerned the technical carrying-out of the law, not ignoring it. If the Bush Administration wanted to disagree with a Constitutionally passed law, it should have vetoed the bill.
-Stopping the illegal and unconstitutional(as determined by the U.S. Supreme Court and Congress) violation of rights regarding habeus corpus, illegal surveillance, speedy trial, etc.
-Restoring honesty and dignity to the Department of Justice
-Restoring science to departments that had been run like political ideology clubs
-Ending torture- as defined by our own courts, and by our international agreements
-Calling the war in Iraq what it is while the Bush Adminstration punished or threatened or villified anyone who questioned the dishonest coupling of 9/11 with Sadaam Hussein- the wrong war, in the wrong place, in the wrong time.
-Stopping the illegal, wholesale giveaway of pristine national parkland to developers without environmental review
-Enforcing the Supreme Court's order that the EPA allow California to set its own emission standards.
-Being honest about the cost of the war in Iraq, something the previous administration refused to do.
-Returned the science of stem cell research to science.
-Expanded children's health insurance for the poor by 5 million. Something the Republican Congress passed before, but the Bush Adm. vetoed.
-Restored environmental concerns to a scientific basis.
-Eliminated the purely ideological ban on family planning by countries receiving U.S. aid.
-Came forward with a bold (yes, risky) plan to restore a financial system that had become so unregulated that the entire world's financial system almost collapsed. The Bush Administration and John McCain kept insisting the "economy was sound." Phil Gramm, who pushed through the deregulations of hedge funds, derivatives and the like called Americans "whiners."

On taxes, why is it that Americans who make a fortune on Capital Gains (Literally "unearned income") pay virtually no tax on that income, while the working person is taxed on his/her labor? Class warfare was started by the rich to protect their assets and sources of income at the expense of people who are trying to earn a living.

On Estate taxes, why should the five Walton children each inherit 7 billion dollars a piece simply for being born to Sam Walton, and expect to not be responsible for taxation on those billions? Do you know the Bush tax "cuts" gave the Waltons an extra 2.5 billion dollars? At the same time, he conducted an unfunded war that took us from a surplus to a massive deficit.

Seems like Yoda and a few others may be afraid that something "new" is equal to something being "communist" or "socialist." Give it some time guys. We are the "passing" generation- those children and grandchildren who will be our legacy need to live in a world that is much different from ours.

I find it fascinating that Rush, Sean and locals like Sandy Mott & Joe Angione continually refer to the Obama adminstration "taking power." How Orwellian! Lacking the integrity to admit that the American people voted overwhelmingly to throw the right-wing "bums" out, they now imply that the Democrats "took" power- as in a takeover. Admit it guys- the not so "free market" economic system, the religious ideological torching of the Constitution, and the politicization of every aspect of the Executive Departments- has been rejected by a majority of the American people.

This economic crisis is as dangerous to our way of life as was 9/11. Perhaps it's time to start saying to all Americans who don't support the President's policies: You're either with us, or you're with America's enemies."

Creepy huh? Now think back to how those of us opposed to Iraq were treated.

Originally Posted by ptownrob

Funny, we spend billions to have a "War" of drugs (except for the Limbaugh kind) but illegal drugs are responsible for about 10,000 deaths a year.

On the other hand, we subsidize tobacco growers AND more than 475,000 Americans a year die of tobacco related illnesses (Lung cancer, emphysema, etc.). How many billions of taxpayer dollars go to subsidize the lethal habits of smokers? Smoking is still legal, but taxes placed on tobacco don't begin to cover the indirect costs of 1/2 million people dying every year.

Good things about the Obama Administration so far?
-Stopping the shredding of the U.S. Constitution by the Bush Admininstration which, in unprecedented treason, used "signing statements" to ignore the laws that the Congress had passed. All previous signing statements concerned the technical carrying-out of the law, not ignoring it. If the Bush Administration wanted to disagree with a Constitutionally passed law, it should have vetoed the bill.
-Stopping the illegal and unconstitutional(as determined by the U.S. Supreme Court and Congress) violation of rights regarding habeus corpus, illegal surveillance, speedy trial, etc.
-Restoring honesty and dignity to the Department of Justice
-Restoring science to departments that had been run like political ideology clubs
-Ending torture- as defined by our own courts, and by our international agreements
-Calling the war in Iraq what it is while the Bush Adminstration punished or threatened or villified anyone who questioned the dishonest coupling of 9/11 with Sadaam Hussein- the wrong war, in the wrong place, in the wrong time.
-Stopping the illegal, wholesale giveaway of pristine national parkland to developers without environmental review
-Enforcing the Supreme Court's order that the EPA allow California to set its own emission standards.
-Being honest about the cost of the war in Iraq, something the previous administration refused to do.
-Returned the science of stem cell research to science.
-Expanded children's health insurance for the poor by 5 million. Something the Republican Congress passed before, but the Bush Adm. vetoed.
-Restored environmental concerns to a scientific basis.
-Eliminated the purely ideological ban on family planning by countries receiving U.S. aid.
-Came forward with a bold (yes, risky) plan to restore a financial system that had become so unregulated that the entire world's financial system almost collapsed. The Bush Administration and John McCain kept insisting the "economy was sound." Phil Gramm, who pushed through the deregulations of hedge funds, derivatives and the like called Americans "whiners."

On taxes, why is it that Americans who make a fortune on Capital Gains (Literally "unearned income") pay virtually no tax on that income, while the working person is taxed on his/her labor? Class warfare was started by the rich to protect their assets and sources of income at the expense of people who are trying to earn a living.

On Estate taxes, why should the five Walton children each inherit 7 billion dollars a piece simply for being born to Sam Walton, and expect to not be responsible for taxation on those billions? Do you know the Bush tax "cuts" gave the Waltons an extra 2.5 billion dollars? At the same time, he conducted an unfunded war that took us from a surplus to a massive deficit.

Seems like Yoda and a few others may be afraid that something "new" is equal to something being "communist" or "socialist." Give it some time guys. We are the "passing" generation- those children and grandchildren who will be our legacy need to live in a world that is much different from ours.

I find it fascinating that Rush, Sean and locals like Sandy Mott & Joe Angione continually refer to the Obama adminstration "taking power." How Orwellian! Lacking the integrity to admit that the American people voted overwhelmingly to throw the right-wing "bums" out, they now imply that the Democrats "took" power- as in a takeover. Admit it guys- the not so "free market" economic system, the religious ideological torching of the Constitution, and the politicization of every aspect of the Executive Departments- has been rejected by a majority of the American people.

This economic crisis is as dangerous to our way of life as was 9/11. Perhaps it's time to start saying to all Americans who don't support the President's policies: You're either with us, or you're with America's enemies."

Creepy huh? Now think back to how those of us opposed to Iraq were treated.

I beg to differ.

1. The Obama administration has taken its fair share of liberties with the Constitution and the current U.S. Code (especially regarding ex post facto law-making and civil rights). The spin used to justify the efforts has been in the "it's for your own good" manner.

2. There is no formative change in the Department of Justice. The U.S. Attorney's Office continues to be "policy" driven. The FBI, DEA, ATF and other offices are at "business du jour" as they should be.

3. There's a great commercial that's says, "It's my money, and I want it now." Well, if it's my money, they I decide who gets it when I go - not the Federal Government, not some social scientist political appointee within any administration, and definitely not someone who thinks what I earned is theirs as an entitlement. And that includes the Waltons, the Kennedys (they are rich too, remember?) and anyone else with residual estates.

4. As far as torture goes, it's not a pretty world out there, and very few bad guys respond well to "pretty please." Before you condemn the practice, be ready to accept the alternative for real and not as a theory.

5. Those opposed to the Iraq War all have their reasons, but they neglect to remember the national temperament on the weeks subsequent to 9/11, and ignore which regimes were providing logistical support to the initiators of the attack. The alternative was to do nothing, and then wait for the next attack. You don't negotiate with bullies - you give to them a fair measure of the same. If you don't you get the international equivalent of "swirlees" indefinitely, and that's a high cost for inaction.

We could go on for pages, but the bottom line is that Pres. Obama (and his administration) is no different than his predecessors. It's just that the supporters want to believe he and his cronies are more than what they are.

Originally Posted by ptownrob

Funny, we spend billions to have a "War" of drugs (except for the Limbaugh kind) but illegal drugs are responsible for about 10,000 deaths a year.

On the other hand, we subsidize tobacco growers AND more than 475,000 Americans a year die of tobacco related illnesses (Lung cancer, emphysema, etc.). How many billions of taxpayer dollars go to subsidize the lethal habits of smokers? Smoking is still legal, but taxes placed on tobacco don't begin to cover the indirect costs of 1/2 million people dying every year.

Good things about the Obama Administration so far?
-Stopping the shredding of the U.S. Constitution by the Bush Admininstration which, in unprecedented treason, used "signing statements" to ignore the laws that the Congress had passed. All previous signing statements concerned the technical carrying-out of the law, not ignoring it. If the Bush Administration wanted to disagree with a Constitutionally passed law, it should have vetoed the bill.
-Stopping the illegal and unconstitutional(as determined by the U.S. Supreme Court and Congress) violation of rights regarding habeus corpus, illegal surveillance, speedy trial, etc.
-Restoring honesty and dignity to the Department of Justice
-Restoring science to departments that had been run like political ideology clubs
-Ending torture- as defined by our own courts, and by our international agreements
-Calling the war in Iraq what it is while the Bush Adminstration punished or threatened or villified anyone who questioned the dishonest coupling of 9/11 with Sadaam Hussein- the wrong war, in the wrong place, in the wrong time.
-Stopping the illegal, wholesale giveaway of pristine national parkland to developers without environmental review
-Enforcing the Supreme Court's order that the EPA allow California to set its own emission standards.
-Being honest about the cost of the war in Iraq, something the previous administration refused to do.
-Returned the science of stem cell research to science.
-Expanded children's health insurance for the poor by 5 million. Something the Republican Congress passed before, but the Bush Adm. vetoed.
-Restored environmental concerns to a scientific basis.
-Eliminated the purely ideological ban on family planning by countries receiving U.S. aid.
-Came forward with a bold (yes, risky) plan to restore a financial system that had become so unregulated that the entire world's financial system almost collapsed. The Bush Administration and John McCain kept insisting the "economy was sound." Phil Gramm, who pushed through the deregulations of hedge funds, derivatives and the like called Americans "whiners."

On taxes, why is it that Americans who make a fortune on Capital Gains (Literally "unearned income") pay virtually no tax on that income, while the working person is taxed on his/her labor? Class warfare was started by the rich to protect their assets and sources of income at the expense of people who are trying to earn a living.

On Estate taxes, why should the five Walton children each inherit 7 billion dollars a piece simply for being born to Sam Walton, and expect to not be responsible for taxation on those billions? Do you know the Bush tax "cuts" gave the Waltons an extra 2.5 billion dollars? At the same time, he conducted an unfunded war that took us from a surplus to a massive deficit.

Seems like Yoda and a few others may be afraid that something "new" is equal to something being "communist" or "socialist." Give it some time guys. We are the "passing" generation- those children and grandchildren who will be our legacy need to live in a world that is much different from ours.

I find it fascinating that Rush, Sean and locals like Sandy Mott & Joe Angione continually refer to the Obama adminstration "taking power." How Orwellian! Lacking the integrity to admit that the American people voted overwhelmingly to throw the right-wing "bums" out, they now imply that the Democrats "took" power- as in a takeover. Admit it guys- the not so "free market" economic system, the religious ideological torching of the Constitution, and the politicization of every aspect of the Executive Departments- has been rejected by a majority of the American people.

This economic crisis is as dangerous to our way of life as was 9/11. Perhaps it's time to start saying to all Americans who don't support the President's policies: You're either with us, or you're with America's enemies."

Creepy huh? Now think back to how those of us opposed to Iraq were treated.

Ole Ray said it better than anyone....

http://susie1114.com/10percentisgoodenough.html