I believe freedom of religion is still a basic right. Correct? The voters spoke loud and clear in Nov 2008.

Originally Posted by coralway

At this point it doesn't matter anymore.

Cain's candidacy is finished - his 15 minutes are up. It ended with his attempt to criticize Obama on his handling of Libya, and it turned into a debacle. This guy is not ready for prime time.

I am convinced that his goal all along was to write a book. This so-called run was just a way to get the gullible to buy his book, not unlike the 1/2-governor of Alaska.

Herb, we hardly knew ye.

the 1/2-governor of Alaska.

Good one. If she could not take the heat as govenor, how could you possibly handle the POTUS job? Well, she can't...

Originally Posted by janmcn

I believe freedom of religion is still a basic right. Correct? The voters spoke loud and clear in Nov 2008.

You purposely miss the point that one's religion is one's core beliefs and ideology.

The president's ideology certainly matters, regardless of the person in that office.

Originally Posted by ilovetv

LOL.....Obama was "only" accused of a 20-year affair with one of the most venomous racists every to take the pulpit for the Chicago Machine, Jeremiah Wright. Only 20 years of tutelage under the screaming, ranting, foaming at the mouth Wright who spews Hate Whitey, Hate Hillary, and G-Damn America. But listening to that, calling Wright his "spiritual advisor" in print, getting married by, having his daughters baptized by, and paying into the "church" coffers for 20 years means nothing to the Democrat Chicago Machine.

I could never figure that out either....how can you know someone for 20 years and attend their church and NOT know? I never believed that for a second.

This WSJ column says it well:

The Churches of Cain and Obama


Theological differences between the two yield different understandings of the path to economic advancement.

By HARRY JACKSON

When Herman Cain began singing "Amazing Grace" at the National Press Club on Monday, some believed he was trying to distract attention from the sexual harassment charges that had surfaced against him. But, as he explained, "My faith is a big part of who Herman Cain is." In fact, though he's decided to campaign on his background in business, Mr. Cain is an ordained minister and deeply religious man.

Like President Obama, Mr. Cain belongs to a mostly black congregation with a black pastor. But that is where the similarities end. Stark differences between the political philosophies of these two men may be rooted in their profoundly different theological heritages. The churches both men are (or in the case of Mr. Obama, were) longtime members of are known for liberal activism, but with notable differences in their views of scripture.

Mr. Cain's church, Antioch Baptist Church North in Atlanta, Ga., is theologically conservative, affirming the inerrancy of scripture and historic Christian creeds as literally true. It was founded in 1877 as eight freed slaves banded together in prayer. During its 134 years, it has hosted many civil-rights activists, and today it has 14,000 members.

The Chicago church where President Obama belonged for 20 years, Trinity United Church of Christ, is theologically liberal, eschewing scriptural inerrancy and taking apostolic creeds as "testimonies" of faith, rather than literally, unchangeably true. The scriptures are seen more as "living documents" than permanent anchors and pillars of faith.

Trinity United Church of Christ was formed in 1961, on the heels of the civil-rights movement. It was started by 12 middle-class black families who came north during the Great Migration, but from the beginning it has been part of a denomination that, nationwide, is majority white.

While Mr. Cain's economic views are likely more conservative than those of many of his fellow congregants, his views on social issues are consistent with his denomination—the National Baptist Convention—and with the majority of black Americans. Mr. Cain, like most black Americans, believes life begins at conception and that marriage is a sacred covenant between one man and one woman.

Mr. Obama, by contrast, has said that his views on redefining marriage to include same-sex couples are "evolving." This evolution has been clearly visible in his policies, including his vocal stance against "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and his open opposition to the Defense of Marriage Act. His budgets and health-care plan have included taxpayer funding for abortions both domestically and abroad. These policies are consistent with the views of the United Churches of Christ.

Perhaps it's easy to see how the two men's theological differences inform their views of family, but they also yield different understandings of the path to economic advancement.

Mr. Cain's church subscribes to traditional Christian theology, which sees the black experience in light of scripture. Mr. Obama's former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, on the other hand, is known for teaching black liberation theology, which sees scripture in light of the black experience. It seeks to create a direct correlation between the black condition and the light of God's revelation in Jesus Christ. The freedom they gained from whites is a part of the freedom Jesus promised.

According to Antioch's website, its early leaders "stressed the dignity of work and honest labor." By contrast, Trinity's website emphasizes God's displeasure with "America's economic mal-distribution." It's not surprising, then, that President Obama would see a government-run jobs program as the key to ending the current economic recession whereas Mr. Cain would look to private industry.

An Obama vs. Cain contest couldn't be cast as a referendum on a black man's qualification to hold the highest office in the land. Instead it would be a choice between two black men who see everything—from the role of government in a free society, to the very definitions of life and family—almost completely differently.

For at least two generations, blacks have been taken for granted by Democrats and ignored by Republicans. Most blacks have looked the other way regarding their convictions about life and family when they have cast their votes. They have flocked to the polls for figures like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, whose liberal views on social issues have little relation to their own. The option of Mr. Cain on the ballot might cause them to think twice. = = = =

Bishop Jackson is senior pastor of Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, Md.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...800527814.html

Does Herman Cain's church subscribe to the philosophy that it's okay to sexually assualt women and have an extra-marital affair? It's more important how someone lives their life than what church they attend. Again, the voters spoke loud and clear in 2008, and they will do so again in 2012.

Originally Posted by janmcn

Does Herman Cain's church subscribe to the philosophy that it's okay to sexually assualt women and have an extra-marital affair? It's more important how someone lives their life than what church they attend. Again, the voters spoke loud and clear in 2008, and they will do so again in 2012.

Verification of sexual assault and extra-marital affairs by Cain are yet to be seen. Time will tell.

Originally Posted by janmcn

I believe freedom of religion is still a basic right. Correct? The voters spoke loud and clear in Nov 2008.

That they did....of course only after the President threw his long time minister, mentor and friend (HIS words not mine) "under the bus"

This is really not worthy of comment...we have had multiple sexual cheaters with the Clinton administration (IN the White House also)....lets wait until there are two nominees.

And you speak about pastors and such....who is the Presidents pastor at present and that is not a smart aleck remark...I AM curious.

I don't think President Obama and his family attend church on a regular basis. Occasionally, I've seen them go to the church right across from the White House (name escapes me). President Reagan never attended church either while in office, as you recall. That's about enough on religion on this thread which was supposed to be about Herman Cain's indiscretions. If the accusations are untrue, then this guy has the worst luck.

it is nothing more than exploitation of opportunity with the intent to make big $$$$.

Let's assume it is all true for a moment. All these women have been under a rock all these years and now, just happen stance and coincidence out they come? And the one for one amplifier greasing the skids is the ever present media ready to run a story, with absolutely no idea whether true or not. The media's only objective is to do what ever it can to take this black candidate down. Guilty until proven innocent......BS!!!

The man has no alternative but to withdraw or just let the polls take him out...as a result of the media coverage he is tainted beyond repair even if totally innocent!!!!!!!!

Politicians today do not run on their record or accomplishment. They only disparage the opposition.

btk

Buggyone--- If you were referring to me as an ordained minister you are wrong. I've never even played one on TV.

Originally Posted by Sally Jo

Buggyone--- If you were referring to me as an ordained minister you are wrong. I've never even played one on TV.

My mistake. I apologize to both.

Originally Posted by billethkid

it is nothing more than exploitation of opportunity with the intent to make big $$$$.

Let's assume it is all true for a moment. All these women have been under a rock all these years and now, just happen stance and coincidence out they come? And the one for one amplifier greasing the skids is the ever present media ready to run a story, with absolutely no idea whether true or not. The media's only objective is to do what ever it can to take this black candidate down. Guilty until proven innocent......BS!!!

The man has no alternative but to withdraw or just let the polls take him out...as a result of the media coverage he is tainted beyond repair even if totally innocent!!!!!!!!

Politicians today do not run on their record or accomplishment. They only disparage the opposition.

btk

If it is nothing more than exploitation of opportunity with the intent to make big $$$$, then why are these allegations not being made against Gov Romney or Gov Huntsman, who both have a lot more $$$$ than Mr Cain?

well, that has a simple answer....mr romney and mr huntsman are not as big a threat to our first black president as mr cain would be. the article about their two different churches says it all.

I believe billethkid is spot on. The campaign managers have become very good at muckraking. They can make people believe that some gossip true or not will have a devasting effect on a candidates performance.

Like most I do not abide adultery and like most such allegations result in "is so" "is not" responses.

Herman Cain is not my first choice because I do not agree with his 9-9-9 solution nor do I believe he would be adapt at foreign policy.

I will let others get worked up on the sex allegations. Eventually it will get resolved and then I take a second look. For now I refuse to let campaign managers and PR guys think they can manipulate my thinking.