Originally Posted by ceejay

And I knew you would be a close second....

So racist is defined as:

a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that a certain human race is superior to any or all others.

Racism is defined as:

Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination.

Given these definitions unless this group excludes people not of the African American decent don't think it would be racist.

But I wonder why you are not so upset about these groups....

Moms for Mitt and Mormans for Mitt

Using your logic Moms for Mitt would be sexist and Mormans for Mitt would violate your 1st amdement rights.

Originally Posted by cologal

So racist is defined as:

a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that a certain human race is superior to any or all others.

Racism is defined as:

Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination.

Given these definitions unless this group excludes people not of the African American decent don't think it would be racist.

But I wonder why you are not so upset about these groups....

Moms for Mitt and Mormans for Mitt

Using your logic Moms for Mitt would be sexist and Mormans for Mitt would violate your 1st amdement rights.

Cologal:

I think if you had seen the post that I erased (because I got way too personal and divulged my life story...I am so embarassed that I did that, BTW and I apologize to everyone that read it) you would realize where I was coming from on the racial side of things.

You're right as far as Mormans for Mitt and Catholics for Santorum go. And I know that every Catholic voted for JFK way back when...and that's all fine and dandy.

But I'm talking about skin color here...and I'm not the one who made it an issue...Mr. Obama did when he made a special appeal to African Americans for Obama.

I don't think you would ever see a "Caucasian for Romney" special appeal or a "Caucasian for Santorum" special appeal.

They would be branded "racists" of the worst kind...and you know that they would.

So why is it OK for Obama to do it? It only further divides this nation...into an us and them and black and white mentality.

It was bad back in the sixties and seventies and it's just as bad in the
2000's, but no one will admit it.

Part of my story was that I worked as a teller in a bank in downtown
New Brunswick, NJ. We catered to large businesses, attornies, etc.
We also catered to the homeless, the indigent and the addicts. Those who would get their monthly Social Security checks, come and withdraw it on the day it was deposited and then not be able to understand why there was
no money left a couple of weeks later.

I was called "white cracker"..."honky"..."white trash"...etc. when I had to tell them they would have to wait again. Those that came in with unemployment checks called them "funemployment checks". When unemployment was extended back in 2009 they called them their Obama checks. Their man was going to pay for their houses and their rent and all their bills...he was going to take care of them. This is the mentality that I had to deal with and what they truly believed.

As Bucco said in a previous post (and I'm sorry to keep bringing you into this, Bucco):

This does not dismiss everyone voting whomever they want to vote for, but do you think that the 96-97% of blacks that voted for President Obama did so because of his policies ?

I truly believe that if we all look into our hearts, we know that Mr. Obama was elected BECAUSE of the color of his skin and not just because of his policies.

And I truly believe that if this is allowed to continue, that Ebony and Ivory will never live together in perfect harmony.

Appeal to ALL AMERICANS and not just AFRICAN-AMERICANS. I just ask that you don't differentiate between the two.

Originally Posted by notlongnow

Pure and simple, it IS racist. Put "white" in front of any organization and it is called racist. Put any other race in front of the same word and they are held up as an example of how it should be done in this big melting pot

Originally Posted by ceejay

Cologal:

I think if you had seen the post that I erased (because I got way too personal and divulged my life story...I am so embarassed that I did that, BTW and I apologize to everyone that read it) you would realize where I was coming from on the racial side of things.

You're right as far as Mormans for Mitt and Catholics for Santorum go. And I know that every Catholic voted for JFK way back when...and that's all fine and dandy.

But I'm talking about skin color here...and I'm not the one who made it an issue...Mr. Obama did when he made a special appeal to African Americans for Obama.

I don't think you would ever see a "Caucasian for Romney" special appeal or a "Caucasian for Santorum" special appeal.

They would be branded "racists" of the worst kind...and you know that they would.

So why is it OK for Obama to do it? It only further divides this nation...into an us and them and black and white mentality.

It was bad back in the sixties and seventies and it's just as bad in the
2000's, but no one will admit it.

Part of my story was that I worked as a teller in a bank in downtown
New Brunswick, NJ. We catered to large businesses, attornies, etc.
We also catered to the homeless, the indigent and the addicts. Those who would get their monthly Social Security checks, come and withdraw it on the day it was deposited and then not be able to understand why there was
no money left a couple of weeks later.

I was called "white cracker"..."honky"..."white trash"...etc. when I had to tell them they would have to wait again. Those that came in with unemployment checks called them "funemployment checks". When unemployment was extended back in 2009 they called them their Obama checks. Their man was going to pay for their houses and their rent and all their bills...he was going to take care of them. This is the mentality that I had to deal with and what they truly believed.

As Bucco said in a previous post (and I'm sorry to keep bringing you into this, Bucco):



I truly believe that if we all look into our hearts, we know that Mr. Obama was elected BECAUSE of the color of his skin and not just because of his policies.

And I truly believe that if this is allowed to continue, that Ebony and Ivory will never live together in perfect harmony.

Appeal to ALL AMERICANS and not just AFRICAN-AMERICANS. I just ask that you don't differentiate between the two.

No problem CEEJAY...I feel honored that you might quote me...only person who really does that is my wife and she reserves that for quoting me back to me...if you know what I mean.

Listen, I would not be as outspoken on this, except that this administration during the 2008 election and since, will haul out and call others racists when it is handy. That is what annoys me...a lot.

I am sure COLOGAL has not had the pleasure of being on the receiving side, on this forum and other places, of being called a racist simply because they disagree with our President's POLICIES and having never ever even hinted at race. You sort of become a bit sensitive to it after that.....if you watch the CNN's and the MSNBC, they throw it around quite liberally when discussing the President. I am sure that if 96% of all white americans voted for whomever would run against President Obama, there would be calls of racism.

Originally Posted by Bucco

No problem CEEJAY...I feel honored that you might quote me...only person who really does that is my wife and she reserves that for quoting me back to me...if you know what I mean.

Originally Posted by ceejay

Cologal:

I think if you had seen the post that I erased (because I got way too personal and divulged my life story...I am so embarassed that I did that, BTW and I apologize to everyone that read it) you would realize where I was coming from on the racial side of things.

You're right as far as Mormans for Mitt and Catholics for Santorum go. And I know that every Catholic voted for JFK way back when...and that's all fine and dandy.

But I'm talking about skin color here...and I'm not the one who made it an issue...Mr. Obama did when he made a special appeal to African Americans for Obama.

I don't think you would ever see a "Caucasian for Romney" special appeal or a "Caucasian for Santorum" special appeal.

They would be branded "racists" of the worst kind...and you know that they would.

So why is it OK for Obama to do it? It only further divides this nation...into an us and them and black and white mentality.

It was bad back in the sixties and seventies and it's just as bad in the
W's, but no one will admit it.

Part of my story was that I worked as a teller in a bank in downtown
New Brunswick, NJ. We catered to large businesses, attorneys, etc.
We also catered to the homeless, the indigent and the addicts. Those who would get their monthly Social Security checks, come and withdraw it on the day it was deposited and then not be able to understand why there was
no money left a couple of weeks later.

I was called "white cracker"..."honky"..."white trash"...etc. when I had to tell them they would have to wait again. Those that came in with unemployment checks called them "fun employment checks". When unemployment was extended back in 2009 they called them their Obama checks. Their man was going to pay for their houses and their rent and all their bills...he was going to take care of them. This is the mentality that I had to deal with and what they truly believed.

As Buck said in a previous post (and I'm sorry to keep bringing you into this, Buck):



I truly believe that if we all look into our hearts, we know that Mr. Obama was elected BECAUSE of the color of his skin and not just because of his policies.

And I truly believe that if this is allowed to continue, that Ebony and Ivory will never live together in perfect harmony.

Appeal to ALL AMERICANS and not just AFRICAN-AMERICANS. I just ask that you don't differentiate between the two.

When I was in college Julian Bond came to my school for a talk and at that time he was the pushing Black Separation movement. (His words not mine)

After his talk I stood up and asked this question.... What is the difference between segregation and separation. To this day his answer confuses me. So he said the difference was that Black Separatists want to be separate. To which I replied but using that logic there is no difference because the whites are choosing to be segregated. I even got interviewed by the local radio station. (This was rural Kansas)

My point is that on a certain level I clearly understand what you are saying. However, no one is upset with any other type of group for whoever.

BTW...I spent much of my youth in Northern New Jersey at Lake Tamarac.

Bucco....

Not sure what you mean here...

I am sure COLOGAL has not had the pleasure of being on the receiving side, on this forum and other places, of being called a racist simply because they disagree with our President's POLICIES and having never ever even hinted at race.

I did recently post something about sexism in regard to birth control and boner meds.

After his talk I stood up and asked this question.... What is the difference between segregation and separation. To this day his answer confuses me. So he said the difference was that Black Separatists want to be separate. To which I replied but using that logic there is no difference because the whites are choosing to be segregated. I even got interviewed by the local radio station. (This was rural Kansas)

My point is that on a certain level I clearly understand what you are saying. However, no one is upset with any other type of group for whoever

This is where I get so disappointed when it comes to talking about something with REAL honesty.
I think you really mean what you are saying here and you do understand both sides. But what seems to happen instead of what you stated about is people tend to come back at a poster with "your side did it so it is Okay for my side to do it" kind of answer.
I wish more replies could be more like this one.
I don't doubt that racism still exsist. I am sure it is from all directions not just white on black. However it is not at the levels that people say it is.

It is clearly a call out from Obama to BLACK Americans and only black americans in this case. Why is it not ja call out to ALL AMERICANS if it is for all our good?
I don't care who the candidate is, he or she could NEVER say all white Americans need to back me! NEVER!! Make it any other race and it is Okay.
That is the honest truth the way I see it.

By the way I am not a Caucasian, I am a native american Osage although people think I look hispanic, so I have had some racism thrown my way, and I concider myself an AMERICAN!
I say this so people don't think I am a angry white guy sitting in a trailer in the woods waiting for the end of the world!!

"A new condition has brought new duties. A character which might pass without censure as a slave cannot so pass as a freeman. We must not beg men to do for us what we ought to do for ourselves. The prostrate form, the uncovered head, the cringing attitude, the bated breath, the suppliant, outstretched hand of beggary does not become an American freeman, and does not become us as a class, and we w...ill not consent to be any longer represented in that position. No people can make desirable progress or have permanent welfare outside of their own independent and earnest efforts…. We utterly repudiate all invidious distinctions, whether in our favor or against us, and ask only for a fair field and no favor." ~ Frederick Douglass, July 4, 1875

"I know of no country where the conditions for affecting great changes in the settled order of things, for the development of right ideas of liberty and humanity, are more favorable than here in these United States." ~ Frederick Douglass, Speech on the Dred Scott decision, May 1957

Today marks the 117th anniversary of this great man's death. So many of his words speak to us today as Americans. He believed passionately in the promise of America, despite how it had treated him, and he believed in the ability of black Americans to stand alongside their fellow Americans as equal heirs to the American Dream. My desire is to champion the confident and hopeful message he left with us. Ron Miller-another African American... http://RonOnTheRight.com/about-ron-miller.html

Originally Posted by notlongnow

This is where I get so disappointed when it comes to talking about something with REAL honesty.
I think you really mean what you are saying here and you do understand both sides. But what seems to happen instead of what you stated about is people tend to come back at a poster with "your side did it so it is Okay for my side to do it" kind of answer.
I wish more replies could be more like this one.
I don't doubt that racism still exsist. I am sure it is from all directions not just white on black. However it is not at the levels that people say it is.

It is clearly a call out from Obama to BLACK Americans and only black americans in this case. Why is it not ja call out to ALL AMERICANS if it is for all our good?
I don't care who the candidate is, he or she could NEVER say all white Americans need to back me! NEVER!! Make it any other race and it is Okay.
That is the honest truth the way I see it.

By the way I am not a Caucasian, I am a native american Osage although people think I look hispanic, so I have had some racism thrown my way, and I concider myself an AMERICAN!
I say this so people don't think I am a angry white guy sitting in a trailer in the woods waiting for the end of the world!!

I appreciate your comments....

Although I was a Hillary girl...I do know my way around the Obama website.

Here is a link, just as an example, you don't have to use it for the group Women for Obama

Women for Obama — Barack Obama

There are actually 9 groups listed including African American, Gays, Latinos and Young people.

But in this thread only one is being discussed.... someone earlier made a comment that all Catholics voted for Kennedy and I know that wasn't true, just in my family.

The Republican candidates do have groups themselves, MOMs for Mitt for example.

But race is the 3rd rail.....

Originally Posted by cologal

I appreciate your comments....

Although I was a Hillary girl...I do know my way around the Obama website.

Here is a link, just as an example, you don't have to use it for the group Women for Obama

Women for Obama — Barack Obama

There are actually 9 groups listed including African American, Gays, Latinos and Young people.

But in this thread only one is being discussed.... someone earlier made a comment that all Catholics voted for Kennedy and I know that wasn't true, just in my family.

The Republican candidates do have groups themselves, MOMs for Mitt for example.

But race is the 3rd rail.....

I think the most controversial thing about "African Americans for Obama" is that Obama is himself advocating for this group to organize in his behalf.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I think the most controversial thing about "African Americans for Obama" is that Obama is himself advocating for this group to organize in his behalf.

Show me a link....

I have never chosen a candidate based on his/her race. I voted for Ken Blackwell in Ohio for Secretary of State. I voted for Alan Keyes in the presidential primaries in 2000 and in 2008. Both men are highly conservative and African American! All this racist garbage is just that...garbage!
I did not vote for Barack Obama because of his pro-abortion voting record. He was very instrumental in stopping the "born alive" law that would have provided for care to be given to an aborted baby that ended up being born alive.

"As originally proposed, the 2003 state bill, SB 1082, sought to define the term "born-alive infant" as any infant, even one born as the result of an unsuccessful abortion, that shows vital signs separate from its mother. The bill would have established that infants thus defined were humans with legal rights. It never made it to the floor; it was voted down by the Health and Human Services Committee, which Obama chaired."
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/obama-and-infanticide/

nice guy...eh?

Originally Posted by cologal

Show me a link....

Obama Announces 2012 Launch Of "African-Americans For Obama" | RealClearPolitics


"Obama, on behalf of his reelection campaign, announces their strategy to court African-American voters, a voting bloc that he heavily secured during his first run. In 2008, Obama received 95% of the black vote. Obama's campaign statement is below.

Today, we're announcing the 2012 launch of African Americans for Obama.

There's no better time than African American History Month to consider the tremendous progress we've made through the sacrifice of so many—or a better time to commit to meeting the very real challenges we face right now.

Visit africanamericans.barackobama.com for more information about all the ways you can get involved—from attending HBCU organizing workshops to becoming a Congregation Captain—and say you're ready to keep making history. Thanks, and see you out there."

A video is at the link also.

Originally Posted by Bucco

Obama Announces 2012 Launch Of "African-Americans For Obama" | RealClearPolitics


"Obama, on behalf of his reelection campaign, announces their strategy to court African-American voters, a voting bloc that he heavily secured during his first run. In 2008, Obama received 95% of the black vote. Obama's campaign statement is below.

Today, we're announcing the 2012 launch of African Americans for Obama.

There's no better time than African American History Month to consider the tremendous progress we've made through the sacrifice of so many—or a better time to commit to meeting the very real challenges we face right now.

Visit africanamericans.barackobama.com for more information about all the ways you can get involved—from attending HBCU organizing workshops to becoming a Congregation Captain—and say you're ready to keep making history. Thanks, and see you out there."

A video is at the link also.

Yes I found that one myself but there are 8 other groups on that website....