one thing "violators" of the new insurance law can count on and that is if they do not get insurance and they get a note from the IRS that they are being fined/taxed just throw it away....it won't be enforced just like so many other laws violated and not enforced. Gotta be careful to not tax a future vote ya know.

btk

PS the above assumes the law survives until 2014.

Mitt Romney is vowing to repeal and replace The Affordable Care Act on day one of his presidency. That means he has four months until election day to come up with the replacement. Considering that he would want to run on that replacement, shouldn't he be announcing what his plan is soon?

It took President Obama and congress 18 months to pass the ACA. It'll be interesting to see what Romney comes up with in the next few days.

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

It is DISGUSTING that EVERY act that is passed or proposed or ruled on by the SCOTUS, is simply used as fodder to beat the other side over the head and rattle sabres. Never any concern over what is really in the public interest. What has happened to statemanship. These politicians are disgusting and the public in general has followed their lead.

Let me, for me I am speaking, I am NOT politicizing this at all. I actually like some things in it as I said, but paying for it, from what I read and it little tentacles that get into so much of our life worries me. While some on here and around are "spiking the ball" I urge them to take a few minutes and really think about this thing. HEALTH CARE costs which we were told was the impetus for the bill WILL GO UP as I understand !

If it is the law, fine...but lets be up front exactly what we are doing.

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

It is DISGUSTING that EVERY act that is passed or proposed or ruled on by the SCOTUS, is simply used as fodder to beat the other side over the head and rattle sabres. Never any concern over what is really in the public interest. What has happened to statemanship. These politicians are disgusting and the public in general has followed their lead.

Statesmanship will be shown by opposing this unlawful and unconstitutional decision.

Originally Posted by Posh 08

Mitch McConnell is a piece of work. Why he just doesn't wear his white hood on the Senate floor is beyond me. His war on the POTUS has put usually "thinking" folks on the road to stalemate and destruction of this Great Nation.

Not a classy statement Posh. McConnell has a right to his positions and views without being unjustly called a racist because of them. Not cool.

where are the republican alternatives? or are they for no changes? Fine repeal it then what? It's easy to criticize much harder to create. And finally McConnell is really a jerk. Even repubs should be ashamed of his spineless attitudes.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Statesmanship will be shown by opposing this unlawful and unconstitutional decision.

RichieLion - The Supreme Court decided the Affordable Care Act IS both lawful and constitutional - and the deciding vote was Chief Justice Roberts who was appointed by Junior Bush - and was introduced to the public by Bush as a strict constructionist.

Originally Posted by Bucco

Let me, for me I am speaking, I am NOT politicizing this at all. I actually like some things in it as I said, but paying for it, from what I read and it little tentacles that get into so much of our life worries me. While some on here and around are "spiking the ball" I urge them to take a few minutes and really think about this thing. HEALTH CARE costs which we were told was the impetus for the bill WILL GO UP as I understand !

If it is the law, fine...but lets be up front exactly what we are doing.

As I stated before, Bucco, if it survives to go into effect fully in 2014, it will most likely be amended and changed many times until most of the unintended consequences have been removed. It is not likely to remain intact for long. At the present time, I like most Americans, have little idea of how it will impact my life, or the lives of others over the long term. It was a mess in its construction for sure, but there are parts of it that were long overdue. As with most things, time will tell. A lot of people are for or against it because their party is for or against it.

This spells the end of employer provided healthcare. The fines for not providing insurance are a lot lower than insurance coverage for each employee, and that was done by design.

Employers will drop coverage, pay the fine, and employees will have to go to a government facility for coverage. This is the way it could all play out. The government directing you health care, just as everyone said.

There's no limit with this decision as to what the government can mandate and call it a "tax". The Supreme Court has decided that the government can indeed institute any tax for any reason and for any amount.

This is not going to sit well with anyone, even all you yahoos celebrating what you do not understand.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Statesmanship will be shown by opposing this unlawful and unconstitutional decision.

Originally Posted by buggyone

RichieLion - The Supreme Court decided the Affordable Care Act IS both lawful and constitutional - and the deciding vote was Chief Justice Roberts who was appointed by Junior Bush - and was introduced to the public by Bush as a strict constructionist.

Buggy, you are clearly correct.

Originally Posted by buggyone

RichieLion - The Supreme Court decided the Affordable Care Act IS both lawful and constitutional - and the deciding vote was Chief Justice Roberts who was appointed by Junior Bush - and was introduced to the public by Bush as a strict constructionist.

Ha ha, very funny. It's still bad law. Justice Roberts in a stupid decision said that the government has the right to do this. He didn't say it was good policy. That's not his purview.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

This spells the end of employer provided healthcare. The fines for not providing insurance are a lot lower than insurance coverage for each employee, and that was done by design.

Employers will drop coverage, pay the fine, and employees will have to go to a government facility for coverage. This is the way it could all play out. The government directing you health care, just as everyone said.

There's no limit with this decision as to what the government can mandate and call it a "tax". The Supreme Court has decided that the government can indeed institute any tax for any reason and for any amount.

This is not going to sit well with anyone, even all you yahoos celebrating what you do not understand.

And of course YOU clearly understand it. You lost any credibility on this issue with your "illegal and unconstitutional" statement.

Originally Posted by billethkid

one thing "violators" of the new insurance law can count on and that is if they do not get insurance and they get a note from the IRS that they are being fined/taxed just throw it away....it won't be enforced just like so many other laws violated and not enforced. Gotta be careful to not tax a future vote ya know.

btk

PS the above assumes the law survives until 2014.

Maybe this morning's sociologist commentator is right saying the unintended result of the decision will be to strengthen extreme radical and militia groups.

The solution above is to willfully flaunt the law. Just what we need. Read my suggestion to DDoug - Really unhappy? Ready to break the law?
Seek asylum in Somalia.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Ha ha, very funny. It's still bad law. Justice Roberts in a stupid decision said that the government has the right to do this. He didn't say it was good policy. That's not his purview.

Bad law? Stupid decision? Those are open to interpretation, you said unlawful and unconstitutional, meaning you beleive yourself to be a more credible authority than Justice Roberts. It IS law and the Supreme Court declared it IS constitutional.

"This is not going to sit well with anyone, even all you yahoos celebrating what you do not understand."

I kind of prefer GMAIL to YAHOO.

Glad that you understand everything that is unconstitutional and unlawful about the Affordable Care Act. I know you could have been a great lawyer and judge - but ...

The checks and balances are what is great about this country. Even though you do not like a decision, respect the checks and balances of the 3 branches of government. Sure beats the heck out of Somalia, doesn't it? Maybe DDoug will send us a postcard from there when he seeks asylum.