Originally Posted by MrMark

A perfect example of why you should give up the ghost as a potential Supreme Court nominee!

??????????? Are you threatening me??

Or are you just clueless to what you just said?

Originally Posted by rubicon

Denial is all I hear.

Denial of what? Please be specific.

Speaker John Boehner was correct about one thing. He promised that republicans 'would not spike the ball' after the Supreme Court decision was handed down. True, no republicans were spiking the ball.

And Mitt Romney said on Wed that people in the White House would probably not sleep too well that night. Guess what? They probably slept very well Thurs night.

Once again, RichieLion and some others do not "get it".

There is NO TAX involved for you who have health insurance now. The tax is for the people who choose (option is theirs) not to get health insurance.

How many companies give full health insurance to their employees? Not too many, I am sure.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Once again, RichieLion and some others do not "get it".

There is NO TAX involved for you who have health insurance now. The tax is for the people who choose (option is theirs) not to get health insurance.

How many companies give full health insurance to their employees? Not too many, I am sure.

And what becomes of these employees who don't have insurance coverage?

(I guess we're not talking about how InJustice Roberts rewrote a Congressional Bill in order to "save it")

Originally Posted by buggyone

Once again, RichieLion and some others do not "get it".

There is NO TAX involved for you who have health insurance now. The tax is for the people who choose (option is theirs) not to get health insurance.

How many companies give full health insurance to their employees? Not too many, I am sure.

Many companies have been eager for years to cut back their employees to under 40 hrs a week and not provide benefits. The term for that is underemployed. Started during the Bush years. The tax as they so love to call it (per instruction from Grover) is only for the dead beats that love to use the medical facilities and let us working stiffs pay the bill. So, what's the problem? The folks that lay about on welfare might have to pony up. I don't see why the right wing is getting up on their high horses about that.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Once again, RichieLion and some others do not "get it".

There is NO TAX involved for you who have health insurance now. The tax is for the people who choose (option is theirs) not to get health insurance.

How many companies give full health insurance to their employees? Not too many, I am sure.

1. Keep in mind that any business who wants to offer any insurance,that insurance MUST meet GOVERNMENT STANDARDS or they get taxed

2. If you are a good employer and offer your employees what is considered a great plan based on what they pay for it, they will need to pay another tax...a 40 % excise tax. This is a lot of large corporations and most will reduce the coverage to get below the number that the GOVERNMENT mandates and from memory it is about 27000 per year per emplyee which is not a lot. These plans were and are used to attract employees.

3. Starting next year if you make in excess of 200000 per year,you will pay more medicaire tax.

4. Also, starting next year, if you deduct medical costs from tax, it used to be all about 7.5%...that is now 10%

These are just off the top of my head, but keep in mind the CBO justified much of the cost of this based on savings to be had by the Government which heretofore has not a good track record on saving money.

More taxes to come but these are the starters I think

Most of you "retired" folks wouldn't be that way if ya hadn't paid taxes and dues. When did paying some taxes become such a hideous thing? Oh, when the next man wants to have what you have after they worked all their lives too. Some folks just wouldn't be folks I'd like to share a lifeboat with.

Another tax that does not kick in until 2014 is one that is hard to understand but it is basically is an additional tax on those who supply insurance....

"The 2010 health care law, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), hits small business with a barrage of inequities. Among the most egregious is the health insurance tax (HIT) launched by the law’s Section 9010. Ostensibly a tax on insurers, its real effect will be hundreds of billions of dollars of taxation on people who purchase coverage in the fully-insured market – mostly small business employers and employees and the self-employed. These are the people who usually generate around two-thirds of America’s new jobs."

The HIT Hit: PPACA’s Health Insurance Tax | The Health Care Blog

Trust me...no dont trust me...just read. In the next few years you will be getting taxed from many new arenas or you employer will be taxed....and bottom line is all these taxes are paid for by...US

Originally Posted by Posh 08

Most of you "retired" folks wouldn't be that way if ya hadn't paid taxes and dues. When did paying some taxes become such a hideous thing?

NEVER WAS for me but as the number of americans that PAY NO taxes keeps increasing, it becomes a bit of a bummer each year and to know I always paid my share and those who do not get MORE from the government than I ever did. AND THAT NUMBER JUST KEEPS RISING.

What incentive is there to even look for a job anymore......so the number of folks paying nothing keeps going up as the motivation to work and pay taxes keeps going down.

When everyone paid taxes it was actually, as much as you want to scoff, but it used to be a bit of an honor but now....and then when you add what you pay is being stolen by illegal immigrants that our senate will not even vote on prosecuting, well, you may understand the cynicism.

Originally Posted by Bucco

NEVER WAS for me but as the number of americans that PAY NO taxes keeps increasing, it becomes a bit of a bummer each year and to know I always paid my share and those who do not get MORE from the government than I ever did. AND THAT NUMBER JUST KEEPS RISING.

What incentive is there to even look for a job anymore......so the number of folks paying nothing keeps going up as the motivation to work and pay taxes keeps going down.

When everyone paid taxes it was actually, as much as you want to scoff, but it used to be a bit of an honor but now....and then when you add what you pay is being stolen by illegal immigrants that our senate will not even vote on prosecuting, well, you may understand the cynicism.

Precisely, why can't either party take a stand on the aliens killing our treasury? The extended unemployment benefits are terrible. Train em to drive a truck instead.

Not aliens undocumented democrats

Originally Posted by Posh 08

Precisely, why can't either party take a stand on the aliens killing our treasury? The extended unemployment benefits are terrible. Train em to drive a truck instead.

Bill, passed by house...sent to senate....REID will not allow discussion or vote on it to stop the scams !!

you don't realize what a struggle it is for a young couple trying to raise their children in todays economy and at the same time provide very very costly health insurance, especially if it is a pre-existing condition..Isn't it time to think about someone who is struggling and give them a hand-up....BTW car insurance is mandatory and also very very expensive...No one has a problem with that!




QUOTE=RichieLion;514393]I have a feeling you don't realize what was done here if you're comparing it to having car insurance.[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by jebartle

you don't realize what a struggle it is for a young couple trying to raise their children in todays economy and at the same time provide very very costly health insurance, especially if it is a pre-existing condition..Isn't it time to think about someone who is struggling and give them a hand-up....BTW car insurance is mandatory and also very very expensive...No one has a problem with that!




QUOTE=RichieLion;514393]I have a feeling you don't realize what was done here if you're comparing it to having car insurance.

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I can feel that.