Originally Posted by benj

I rest my case . The last two posts by libs jeckyl and junglejim make my point. Jim says the republicans are mentally incompetent clowns, and jeckyl says McCain is flat out crazy, cant make a complete sentence, McCain is mentally ill, and has lost his mind. And trust me you arn't covering any rich mans expenses. Benj

When oil is pegged to the dollar, and the dollar drops in global value, oil is cheap to the international consumer. As a result, the price adjusts to the international market. If you look at the numbers, the increase in oil prices reflects has a positive correlation with the devaluation of the dollar. If the dollar has devalued because of the national deficit of the nation (and every economist says it has), and the national deficit is a reduction of national income (i.e. reduction of taxes with increase in spending) then the reduction of taxes is to blame for the increase in gas prices. Since I am paying more in gas, and the rich (people making above $150,000/yr) are getting a tax break, then yes, I am paying for the rich man's expenses. Sorry, but do the math...it all works out....

And again, you call me a liberal... I am so far to the right of the republicans that I end up left of the democrats... but that is okay... when Clinton was in office, I was always called a republican.... cant win can I....

Jeckyl Lets have some intellectual honesty here. The national deficit has nothing to do with national income. Our deficit is very low as a % of GDP, lower than in many years. Average personal debt should be so low. I hope you know that oil is down and the dollar is up (I'll bet EVERY economist says this to.). I'll bet EVERY economist will tell you that since GW's tax cuts, the amount of taxes paid by the RICH is higher than when Clinton was president, and income to the government is at an all time high. Do the math.

Originally Posted by retiredguy

I just received this report from a very close friend of Jeff's. I am stunned.

Jeff's witness of Barack visiting the troops on our dime.
I don't know each of your personal political convictions, and apologize
if anyone finds this offensive. I thought it was important enough to share.

This is Jeff's first hand view of Senator Obama.Hello everyone,

As you know I am not a very political person. I just wanted to pass along >that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to "The War Zone". I wanted to share with you what
happened. He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram.

As the Soldiers where lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and
didn't say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the
General. As he finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball. He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.

So really he was just here to make a showing for the American's back
home that he is their candidate for President. I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.

I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders than from one of the Senators, who wants to be the President of the United States. I just don't understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-and-Chief. It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.

If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of person he really is. What you see in the news is all fake.

In service,
CPT Jeffrey S. Porter
Battle Captain
TF Wasatch
American Soldier

Has anyone checked out the authenticity of this letter? The whole thing smacks of political dirty tricks. This "letter" is plastered on every right wing fringe website out there, not to mention every skinhead web site. This letter is very suspect to me. I guess some of you have it right, timing is everything. Talk about staging something. WOW!

SteveZ, yah but this time, they're not burning our flags, they're waving them. A great improvement already.

Jim007. Glad you commented on that. It was my same feeling exactly. :bigthumbsup:

Originally Posted by benj

Jeckyl Lets have some intellectual honesty here. The national deficit has nothing to do with national income. Our deficit is very low as a % of GDP, lower than in many years. Average personal debt should be so low. I hope you know that oil is down and the dollar is up (I'll bet EVERY economist says this to.). I'll bet EVERY economist will tell you that since GW's tax cuts, the amount of taxes paid by the RICH is higher than when Clinton was president, and income to the government is at an all time high. Do the math.

Actually it is at the highest percentage of GDP since Ike, who was reducing it from Truman. But you are correct in the idea that Bush I almost had it as high as Bush II (Bush II finally beat his father last year). Here is a graph that shows it:

http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/National-Debt-GDP.gif

And here is the dollar index...which...like I said...looks kind of like an inverse of our gas prices...

http://blog.goldandoilstocks.com/upl...ces-704310.JPG

Why is it so hard to understand? If you drop the price, you increase demand. You can see the China demand here: http://static.seekingalpha.com/wp-co...udeoil3_02.jpg

Do the math is not just something to throw out there, because I have been. You really need to calculate this because I have been.....





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Jim are you saying that totv is a right wing fringe web site? And Jim how many skinhead web sites do you check out?

Jim,

Like most conservative emails going around.... this one is also false... I guess when people can't find actual things to criticize, they just make them up. It keeps people like Rush in a job....

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/afghanistan.asp

Originally Posted by benj

Jim are you saying that totv is a right wing fringe web site? And Jim how many skinhead web sites do you check out?

I just like to know who is foisting, on me, pure "Bull". This time it is the right wing agenda, and a bunch of skinheads. What can I tell you, I tell it like I see it. That letter is nothing more than a political fabrication. By the way, I am not saying TOTV is a right wing fringe web site, but I believe some of the people posting here get their material from those sources, and they should check their material first.

Originally Posted by jeckyl

Jim,

Like most conservative emails going around.... this one is also false... I guess when people can't find actual things to criticize, they just make them up. It keeps people like Rush in a job....

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/afghanistan.asp

Thanks jeckyl.

Jeckyl, From the federal budget fiscal 2008. Gross federal debt as a % of GDP. 95-49.2,96-48.5,97-46.1,98-43.1,99-39.8,00-35.1,01-33.0,02-34.1,03-36.2,04-37.3,05-37.4,06-37.0,07-36.9,08-36.8. But I'm proud of you. We had a conversation without calling names. Benj.

By the way I lived in the Detroit area for years and I would love to have a beer with you. I appreciate people who are passionate about their beliefs. I'll bet we could argue all night.

Originally Posted by retiredguy

I just received this report from a very close friend of Jeff's. I am stunned.

Jeff's witness of Barack visiting the troops on our dime.
I don't know each of your personal political convictions, and apologize
if anyone finds this offensive. I thought it was important enough to share.

This is Jeff's first hand view of Senator Obama.Hello everyone,

As you know I am not a very political person. I just wanted to pass along >that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to "The War Zone". I wanted to share with you what
happened. He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram.

As the Soldiers where lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and
didn't say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the
General. As he finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball. He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.

So really he was just here to make a showing for the American's back
home that he is their candidate for President. I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.

I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders than from one of the Senators, who wants to be the President of the United States. I just don't understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-and-Chief. It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.

If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of person he really is. What you see in the news is all fake.

In service,
CPT Jeffrey S. Porter
Battle Captain
TF Wasatch
American Soldier

Retired Guy, as others have stated, the email above is false. I'm sure you don't want to be accused of spreading false rumors.

Even the Army itself debunked this smear:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...barack_ob.html

Originally Posted by jeckyl

When oil is pegged to the dollar, and the dollar drops in global value, oil is cheap to the international consumer. As a result, the price adjusts to the international market. If you look at the numbers, the increase in oil prices reflects has a positive correlation with the devaluation of the dollar....

You are dead right! OPEC used to peg prices against the US Dollar, but that practice apparently went out the window a few years ago. If you follow the currency rates, oil seems to have been pegged to the Euro and Swiss Franc for quite a while, and the Dollar/Euro and Dollar/SwissFranc exchange rate history matches almost perfectly to the price of oil for US consumers.

Despite all of the commentary on domestic oil exploration and recovery (which we do need!), one needs to examine the currency "futures market" and examing the forecasted Dollar/Euro exchange rate to get a glimmer of what oil prices will be over the next year, or two, or three.

Originally Posted by benj

Jeckyl,...... I appreciate people who are passionate about their beliefs. I'll bet we could argue all night.

Jeckyl, as we discussed before....now the forum is really accomplishing something positive. I'm in for the first six-pack, guys.