Originally Posted by Guest

And your continued anger toward a PAST President has WHAT to do with the thread which is to discuss the potential dirty bomb threat by ISIS ?

Having served for many years, I have many things that stick in my craw but they are history...this is a threat NOW and PRESENT.

Not being insensitive but often we are told to move on and here it applies since not doing that...moving on...solves absolutely nothing.

And I will NEVER forgive that past president for what he did during his 8 years....as I suspect many will not forget about this one.

These reports surface almost daily from around the world. Now, in trying to keep this all in perspective, I have searched for denials from anyone, and failed to find one.except the last link.



"The montrous fiends with the Islamic State hope to add another horrific weapon to their arsenal of terror — a “dirty” bomb.

The bloodthirsty jihadist group looted radioactive chemicals from government labs as they rampaged across Iraq and Syria and hope to assemble explosive devices with them, a British newspaper reported, citing Australian intelligence officials and ISIS propaganda.

The militants bragged in Dabiq, their perverted publicity magazine, that they could soon have the capability to build or purchase nuclear weapons. A more immediate threat could be “dirty” bombs — devices that use conventional explosives to spread radioactive or other hazardous materials."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2253492


"LONDON: The ISIS militant group has seized enough radioactive material from government facilities to suggest it has the capacity to build a large and devastating "dirty" bomb, according to Australian intelligence reports.

ISIS declared its ambition to develop weapons of mass destruction in the most recent edition of its propaganda magazine Dabiq, and Indian defence officials have previously warned of the possibility the militants could acquire a nuclear weapon from Pakistan."


ISIS's dirty bomb: Jihadists have seized 'enough radioactive material to build their first WMD' - The Times of India

""There is theoretically the potential for a dirty bomb,” Daryl Kimball, of the Arms Control Association in Washington, told FoxNews.com, explaining that such bombs are more effective at scaring people than killing them. "It explodes and the terrorist is banking on the fear factor of radiation. That’s what we are looking at here at worst.”

Iraq's Foreign Ministry said the compounds were used at Mosul University labs in "very limited quantities" for research, and that they were slated for destruction before ISIS took over the city.

Former International Atomic Energy Agency chief inspector Olli Heinonen said that if the material came from a university it most likely is laboratory chemicals consisting of natural or depleted uranium.


"You cannot make a nuclear explosive from this amount, but all uranium compounds are poisonous," Heinonen told Reuters. "This material is also not 'good' enough for a dirty bomb."

ISIS seizes uranium from lab; experts downplay 'dirty bomb' threat | Fox News

But certainly, due diligence is needed, as this is also from that last quote.


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"However, any uranium in the hands of a terrorist group is concerning, since it shows interest in nuclear material and their interest is unlikely to be for peaceful purposes," Albright, a former IAEA weapons inspector"


"The material, believed to be low-grade, unenriched uranium mixed with other elements, was taken from a science lab at Mosul University by ISIS, the terrorist group that took over Iraq's second-largest city last month and has vowed to attack Baghdad. Iraq notified the UN in a July 8 letter which sought international help to "stave off the threat of their use by terrorists in Iraq or abroad," according to Reuters, which saw the letter.

"Although the material is not believed to be weaponized, and ISIS does not have known missile delivery capability, the theft stoked fear that a dirty bomb - a primitive explosive used to disseminate radioactive material - could be fashioned from the uranium compounds."

Sounds very likely to have happened. Now, what propositions are possibilities for containing the problem? I would not have any ideas. Above my pay grade as they say.

If you do not know precisely where this material is stored, any military strike would not do good.

Not to worrying, if they drop a WMD in the U.S. Or even a U.S. Territory, We will have justification to wipe the entire Middle East off the earth. Problem solved. Unfortunately, these cowards will not force the full weight of our power against them.

Originally Posted by Guest

Not to worrying, if they drop a WMD in the U.S. Or even a U.S. Territory, We will have justification to wipe the entire Middle East off the earth. Problem solved. Unfortunately, these cowards will not force the full weight of our power against them.

You do realize there will be nuclear fallout if we use that many bombs...

Originally Posted by Guest

You do realize there will be nuclear fallout if we use that many bombs...

Yes sir I do, And I pray we never have to deploy our true might, but they do also, and I for one would rather take that change than have these fleas continue biting on me. At some point, enough is enough and for me that line has already been crossed. Apparently the current administration has some wiggle room left.

Originally Posted by Guest

Yes sir I do, And I pray we never have to deploy our true might, but they do also, and I for one would rather take that change than have these fleas continue biting on me. At some point, enough is enough and for me that line has already been crossed. Apparently the current administration has some wiggle room left.

Please clarify. You say you pray we never have to deploy our true might. You then say enough is enough and for you that line has been crossed.

Are you saying you want to nuke the entire Mid-East now?

Originally Posted by Guest

Please clarify. You say you pray we never have to deploy our true might. You then say enough is enough and for you that line has been crossed.

Are you saying you want to nuke the entire Mid-East now?

If I had the key and the access to button I would have done it on September 12 2001.

Originally Posted by Guest

You do realize there will be nuclear fallout if we use that many bombs...

Anyone remember the fallout in the U.S. from nuclear testing in the 40's and 50's Research Strontium 90? Any senior citizens recall the movie "On The Beach"? Everyone Dies on a Global Basis from fallout! Check out Chernobyl.
Terrorists as in 9/11 scored a major blow and increased National Paranoia without the use of WMD. How much terror has been generated globally by the use of a sharp knife and beheading?
The nuclear option fantasy wouldn't solve the problem. Other countries have Muslim populations. England for example. Nukes would just provide more recruits for the Jihad.

Originally Posted by Guest

Anyone remember the fallout in the U.S. from nuclear testing in the 40's and 50's Research Strontium 90? Any senior citizens recall the movie "On The Beach"? Everyone Dies on a Global Basis from fallout! Check out Chernobyl.
Terrorists as in 9/11 scored a major blow and increased National Paranoia without the use of WMD. How much terror has been generated globally by the use of a sharp knife and beheading?
The nuclear option fantasy wouldn't solve the problem. Other countries have Muslim populations. England for example. Nukes would just provide more recruits for the Jihad.

We don't have to use nukes to win. But, we do have to WANT to win and set that as the objective. You sound defeatist to me ... but maybe I'm woring.

We CAN immolate (carpet bomb with B-52s etc) major cites like Raqqa and such. Sorry, the mosques and some civilians go up in smoke with it but to win the war you have to terrorize the enemy into giving up.

Also, we can DEPORT the Muslims in UK and elsewhere. I suggest we give them free one way tickets to any Muslim country of their choice, and encourage them to choose Syria.

We will eventually do this, but only after we have enough dead Americans on US soil to shake the haze from everyone's eyes and we feel the fear of what happens if we don't win.

This is pretty simple actually ... look at the history of wars for example in the Roman Republic and later Empire. Lesson is ... you either fight to win, or you ... lose.

Originally Posted by Guest

We don't have to use nukes to win. But, we do have to WANT to win and set that as the objective. You sound defeatist to me ... but maybe I'm woring.

We CAN immolate (carpet bomb with B-52s etc) major cites like Raqqa and such. Sorry, the mosques and some civilians go up in smoke with it but to win the war you have to terrorize the enemy into giving up.

Also, we can DEPORT the Muslims in UK and elsewhere. I suggest we give them free one way tickets to any Muslim country of their choice, and encourage them to choose Syria.

We will eventually do this, but only after we have enough dead Americans on US soil to shake the haze from everyone's eyes and we feel the fear of what happens if we don't win.

This is pretty simple actually ... look at the history of wars for example in the Roman Republic and later Empire. Lesson is ... you either fight to win, or you ... lose.

Very simplistic ideas that would not work, my friend. Carpet bombing Arab major cities would not cause ISIS to raise a surrender flag. It would show the Arab world that the US really IS their enemy and would increase attacks on us.

Deporting all Muslims to Syria just is not feasible and could never work - just like rounding up 11 million Hispanic immigrants in the US and deporting them would never be logistically possible.

I do not have an answer, but I do know yours Is NOT the answer.

Originally Posted by Guest

Very simplistic ideas that would not work, my friend. Carpet bombing Arab major cities would not cause ISIS to raise a surrender flag. It would show the Arab world that the US really IS their enemy and would increase attacks on us.

Deporting all Muslims to Syria just is not feasible and could never work - just like rounding up 11 million Hispanic immigrants in the US and deporting them would never be logistically possible.

I do not have an answer, but I do know yours Is NOT the answer.

One simple action to begin with;
Stop letting them into the USA. Secondly, for those here illegally, give them a time limit by which date they will be registered and on some path to citizenship or they have to get out.

Sound harsh? Not one bit compared to what will have to be done when the USA becomes more populated by illegals than citizens......on our way to second or even third world status.

Our current do nothing with open borders is the preamble to future demise and increasing numbers of poor looking for a handout.

Originally Posted by Guest

Very simplistic ideas that would not work, my friend. Carpet bombing Arab major cities would not cause ISIS to raise a surrender flag. It would show the Arab world that the US really IS their enemy and would increase attacks on us.

Deporting all Muslims to Syria just is not feasible and could never work - just like rounding up 11 million Hispanic immigrants in the US and deporting them would never be logistically possible.

I do not have an answer, but I do know yours Is NOT the answer.

You misunderstood what I advocate. Let me try again.

Carpet bomb Raqqa (ie ISIS capital in Syria) NOT all major Arab cities

Deport Muslims in UK and elsewhere. Don't need to get rid of 100% but enough to show them we're serious. You have to repress the radicals, so the first ones shown the door are the radical Imams and go on television giving us all the finger. Once we get rid of 20-30% of them, that will likely do the trick.

As I said, there are many parallels in history that show us what works when defeating a hostile population. You have to destroy their will to fight. We are doing the exact opposite at present and making it worse.

Originally Posted by Guest

One simple action to begin with;
Stop letting them into the USA. Secondly, for those here illegally, give them a time limit by which date they will be registered and on some path to citizenship or they have to get out.

Sound harsh? Not one bit compared to what will have to be done when the USA becomes more populated by illegals than citizens......on our way to second or even third world status.

Our current do nothing with open borders is the preamble to future demise and increasing numbers of poor looking for a handout.

I really like Donald Trumps idea of a great wall of Mexico. Have Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico national gard on there two week annual trainging on the wall with rifles. If any mexican comes to close to the wall or somehow crosses it, shoot to kill. This will keep them out of OUR country.

Originally Posted by Guest

I really like Donald Trumps idea of a great wall of Mexico. Have Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico national gard on there two week annual trainging on the wall with rifles. If any mexican comes to close to the wall or somehow crosses it, shoot to kill. This will keep them out of OUR country.

Obviously, not going to happen but plays into what a commentator said about Trump and what kind of following he might attract.....

"He says things that you yell at your tv while watching the news"