Originally Posted by GMONEY

The real question isnt what would Gore or Obama do with Iraq? it should be what would they do for us? i am so sick and tired of hearing all the mccain will do this for Iraq, he was a POW, he served his country and so on..... i served my country in the CORPS!! was in GULF deal in 91. we are wrong for being there now, never should have to begin with. We liberated Kuwait then. we are killing our own now.... We need a change and need it now. we waste more time on deciding if this candidate is salty enough to decide on military actions against iraq or iran. Heck we are killing our own country. What about this. The Govenment mandates your kids must go to school.. most of the schools are invested with drugs and gangs. If you dont send your kids to school you go to jail. so why are we not making the Government take action on the schools?

Great post! I'm right there with ya! :bigthumbsup:

I chose not to post at all yesterday (9/11 ) anyone else's choice was theirs and none of my business. Reading the last 10 pages of posts to catch up I got one impression. The dems seem to be so angry. IMHO.

GMONEY

Your issue seems to be education and you ask "why we are not making the Govt take action on schools"?
I'm sure I wont make any friends with my opinion, Buy here goes.
First I thought education was primarily a State issue. Second The only action the feds do for education is throw money at it. Excepting Bush's no child left behind effort.
Schools are one of the biggest labor union controlled areas in the country. It's a good thing too because the quality of their product (kids education ) gets worse and worse in terms of education received. Argue with me if you will, then go strike up a conversation with some recent graduate of public school and judge for yourself. So I for one don't think more money is the answer.
Since I'v been voting every time I vote there is one or more school issues to vote on all increasing the money for OUR CHILDREN. You would think just once they would give us a break Benj

While this thread WAS about Iraq, etc, I will stand tall with BENJ on this. EDUCATION IS A STATE ISSUE...PERIOD. I, for one, want the federal government out of that business, even though as you say the labor movement has lost a lot of ground in the past number of years, in education it has its strongest liberal ally !

i think the no kid left behind deal makes that gov involved. if you talk it, do it.

Originally Posted by GMONEY

i think the no kid left behind deal makes that gov involved. if you talk it, do it.

I agree that the federal government is involved with "no child left behind." The fed did it in a unique way in that it tied "performance standards" to the receipt of federal moneys for education by the state. States always can tell the fed "thanks but no thanks" for the fed money.

I understand why teachers unionized - money, working conditions, benefits - just like employees in any other industry. The problem has grown with employee and union involvement in: the selection of which services will be provided (e.g., what subjects will be taught); what the lesson plans (if any) will include; what constitutes a "grade" to be given to the student; and the utter lack of objective and measurable employee performance standards in most districts.

In other words, the factory has been turned over to the employees and no one is now "responsible" for the product coming off the assembly line.