Originally Posted by Guest

I empathize with you since there is an undeserved attitude toward Muslims since 1% of them happen to be radical and several on this forum focus on them. Why can't we just focus on the bad apples and not assume everyone in a certain group are undeserving?

Actually, the radical element is estimated by the Intelligence community to be more in the range of 10-20%. There are about 1.4 billion Muslims in the world so do the math. In addition, the core teachings are imperialist (ie world expansion until all submit to Islam etc ...) and, for sure, anti-Semitic.

But, in the meantime, let's get back to the thread. (Start a new one if you want ... will be happy to educate you there.)

Originally Posted by Guest

Some have empathy for the ones who were shot and are dead and can't protest or riot.

Do you feel any empathy for the millions of inner city residents whose lives have been ruined, and prospects for a decent future, ruined by 50 years of empathic but totally ineffectual liberalism? Do you feel sorry for the black family since it's essentially been destroyed with 70% plus of the new kids born out of wedlock? just asking ...

Originally Posted by Guest

Actually, the radical element is estimated by the Intelligence community to be more in the range of 10-20%. There are about 1.4 billion Muslims in the world so do the math. In addition, the core teachings are imperialist (ie world expansion until all submit to Islam etc ...) and, for sure, anti-Semitic.

But, in the meantime, let's get back to the thread. (Start a new one if you want ... will be happy to educate you there.)

It is unfortunate your source of "estimates " are clearly distorted as are your views toward humanity and the Muslim religion. With 1.57 billion Muslims in the world, one would think there would be significantly more "terrorists". 20% would almost equal the total population of the USA or 300 million. I hope you find this educational.

Originally Posted by Guest

Do you feel any empathy for the millions of inner city residents whose lives have been ruined, and prospects for a decent future, ruined by 50 years of empathic but totally ineffectual liberalism? Do you feel sorry for the black family since it's essentially been destroyed with 70% plus of the new kids born out of wedlock? just asking ...

Yes I feel empathy, however, do not agree with your premise that it is due to ineffectual liberalism. You find many treatise on the cause of family dysfunction in the black community besides your errant simplified characterization.

Originally Posted by Guest

It is unfortunate your source of "estimates " are clearly distorted as are your views toward humanity and the Muslim religion. With 1.57 billion Muslims in the world, one would think there would be significantly more "terrorists". 20% would almost equal the total population of the USA or 300 million. I hope you find this educational.

No, they are not distorted.

Have you ever read a biography of Mohammed? Do you know what the basic tenets of Islam are? Do you know its early military history? I'm gonna guess no to all.

I'm simply reporting the reality. You are clinging to the PC view pushed by CAIR and others, which by the way, is a Muslim Brotherhood subsidiary. Your intentions are likely good ... you just don't have the background nor do you understand what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by Guest

Yes I feel empathy, however, do not agree with your premise that it is due to ineffectual liberalism. You find many treatise on the cause of family dysfunction in the black community besides your errant simplified characterization.

Ok, then please elaborate if you think you have a better analysis. I disagree and will respond, but would like for you to first make your case.

Originally Posted by Guest

No, they are not distorted.

Have you ever read a biography of Mohammed? Do you know what the basic tenets of Islam are? Do you know its early military history? I'm gonna guess no to all.

I'm simply reporting the reality. You are clinging to the PC view pushed by CAIR and others, which by the way, is a Muslim Brotherhood subsidiary. Your intentions are likely good ... you just don't have the background nor do you understand what you're talking about.

You are very stubborn and misinformed in your close-minded views and unfortunately you will continue to maintain those views. I am sure you feel self righteous and proud of your wayward patriotic attitude. However, I am well read and I have spent time in Muslim countries (with over 1.5 billion in the world is not hard to do) and have my own experiences to draw from.

Originally Posted by Guest

Ok, then please elaborate if you think you have a better analysis. I disagree and will respond, but would like for you to first make your case.

It is lot more complicated than your "treatise" of ineffectual liberalism. I am sure you could write a book on that assumption as others who have studied the issue and came to a different conclusion.

Originally Posted by Guest

You are very stubborn and misinformed in your close-minded views and unfortunately you will continue to maintain those views. I am sure you feel self righteous and proud of your wayward patriotic attitude. However, I am well read and I have spent time in Muslim countries (with over 1.5 billion in the world is not hard to do) and have my own experiences to draw from.

Well, let's agree to disagree for the moment. At some point, I will start a thread on the nature of Islam and perhaps you can participate? I'm sure you can add to the discussion, and I appreciate your views but simply disagree. 80% or so of all Muslims are indeed decent people, who want to live in peace and I'm sure that's the type folks you interacted with. I have fond memories of Indonesia, for example. But the problem with Islam historically, and it literally dates back to Mohammed himself, is the minority runs the show. It's not hard to understand why this is either.

Mohammed instilled the notion of terrorizing "non-believers" into supporting his religion. It's a complicated topic but not much has changed in the basic method of expansion in the last 1,400 years or so ... Islam is by the sword, not the word as with Christianity or Judaism. One of many incidents provides insight. Mohammed got kicked out of Mecca and moved to Medina circa 622AD, but it was then called Yathrib. The Jewish tribe ran the show, but over time, Mohammed defeated them military and personally supervised the beheading of about 900 Jewish men and then sold their women/children sold into slavery. That's also to where the endemic strain of anti-Semitism in Islam can trace its roots.

One thing about your post puzzles me though. You said I have a "...wayward patriotic attitude." Do you consider yourself to be an American Patriot? Or, does the word 'patriot" perhaps embarrass you, or cause your eyes to roll? Why would you be critical of patriotism? It seems to me that without patriots who have gone before us, neither you nor I would have ever been able to enjoy the liberties and freedoms America provides us all. That includes TOTV PF ironically enough.