Originally Posted by njbchbum

if the aca is the law of the land, legal, and constitutional please explain why so many unions/businesses have received an exemption from having to participate in it. thank you.

Here ya go. Thought everyone was aware of this by now. This "exemption" nonsense was debunked 2 years ago. Don't believe everything you hear on Faux News.

Thank you.


http://mediamatters.org/research/201...-care-w/175662

Originally Posted by coralway

Your pal Bucco's post says the President lies. I show Bucco the same level of respect he shows our President !!!!!!

I show our President the same amount of respect you showed President Bush.

Originally Posted by coralway

Here ya go. Thought everyone was aware of this by now. This "exemption" nonsense was debunked 2 years ago. Don't believe everything you hear on Faux News.

Thank you.


Right-Wing Media Revive Myth That Health Care Waivers Are Political Favors | Research | Media Matters for America

I don't believe anything I read from Media Matters, the most virulent left wing organization in the history of the United States.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I don't believe anything I read from Media Matters, the most virulent left wing organization in the history of the United States.

That's the right (far, far right) way to think, Richie. Keeping an open mind is definitely what the wubers are not about.

Originally Posted by coralway

Here ya go. Thought everyone was aware of this by now. This "exemption" nonsense was debunked 2 years ago. Don't believe everything you hear on Faux News.

Thank you.


Right-Wing Media Revive Myth That Health Care Waivers Are Political Favors | Research | Media Matters for America

The article doesn't say there are no waivers, just that they aren't given as political favors. The waivers are not a myth.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I show our President the same amount of respect you showed President Bush.

I just noticed that my name was mentioned here...

1. I welcome that poster to at anytime challenge anything or anytime I have mentioned the President lying and show how it is not FACTUAL or ACTUAL.

2. I welcome that poster to stop slandering anyone and everyone who seems to oppose whomever she supports, from the President to the Governor. Posts such as this one recently...

"Had we listened to Scotty in '08, the old guy would be POTUS now, and The Wasilla Quitta would be in charge of the Senate. "

are typical of the political conversation from that source using my name and offering no respect is a bit.....cannot think of a word strong enough.

PLEASE anytime you have a rebutt feel free but leave the name calling wherever you picked it up !

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

The article doesn't say there are no waivers, just that they aren't given as political favors. The waivers are not a myth.

Originally Posted by coralway

Here ya go. Thought everyone was aware of this by now. This "exemption" nonsense was debunked 2 years ago. Don't believe everything you hear on Faux News.

Thank you.


Right-Wing Media Revive Myth That Health Care Waivers Are Political Favors | Research | Media Matters for America

phew! thanx for that note, bk - thought i had missed something. coralway's referred website seems to be just as you say...hasn't shown me that there aren't any waivers to participation.

gonna go check some chris matthews comments - i think that's where i heard waivers mentioned.

Originally Posted by njbchbum

phew! thanx for that note, bk - thought i had missed something. coralway's referred website seems to be just as you say...hasn't shown me that there aren't any waivers to participation.

gonna go check some chris matthews comments - i think that's where i heard waivers mentioned.

When you find those Chris Matthews' comments, could you please post a link to the video. I would be very interested to hear what Matthews had to say regarding waivers. Thanks

Originally Posted by njbchbum

phew! thanx for that note, bk - thought i had missed something. coralway's referred website seems to be just as you say...hasn't shown me that there aren't any waivers to participation.

gonna go check some chris matthews comments - i think that's where i heard waivers mentioned.

Thus far there have been between 1200 and 1300 PLUS waivers given.

This from Jan 2012

"Roughly 1,200 companies received waivers from part of the healthcare reform law, the Health and Human Services Department (HHS) said Friday."

And the Final Number of ‘Obamacare’ Waivers is… | TheBlaze.com

There was a report of over 1300 reported even earlier so who knows...they do not give that info out publicly any longer ????

But the political claim came from stuff like this...

Labor unions continued to receive the overwhelming majority of waivers from the president’s health care reform law since the Obama administration tightened application rules last summer.

Documents released in a classic Friday afternoon news dump show that labor unions representing 543,812 workers received waivers from President Barack Obama‘s signature legislation since June 17, 2011.

By contrast, private employers with a total of 69,813 employees, many of whom work for small businesses, were granted waivers.

The Department of Health and Human Services revised the rules governing applications for health reform waivers June 17, 2011, amid a steady stream of controversial news reports, including The Daily Caller’s story that nearly 20 percent of last May’s waivers went to businesses in House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s district in California.

Read more: Labor unions primary recipients of Obamacare waivers | The Daily Caller


So again the transparency is gone and we do not know

The other reason for the political issue being raised is that before the door closed on information, I think about 300 in on month went to Pelosi's district in SF.

And who knows what the number is...this from Politico over a year ago..

"The number of temporary healthcare reform waivers granted by the Obama administration to organizations climbed to more than 1,000, according to new numbers disclosed by the Department of Health and Human Services.

HHS posted 126 new waivers on Friday, bringing the total to 1,040 organizations that have been granted a one-year exemption from a new coverage requirement included in the healthcare reform law enacted almost a year ago. Waivers have become a hot-button issue for Republicans, eager to expose any vulnerabilities in the reform law."

Number of healthcare reform law waivers climbs above 1,000 - The Hill's Healthwatch

Originally Posted by Bucco

I just noticed that my name was mentioned here...

1. I welcome that poster to at anytime challenge anything or anytime I have mentioned the President lying and show how it is not FACTUAL or ACTUAL.

2. I welcome that poster to stop slandering anyone and everyone who seems to oppose whomever she supports, from the President to the Governor. Posts such as this one recently...

"Had we listened to Scotty in '08, the old guy would be POTUS now, and The Wasilla Quitta would be in charge of the Senate. "

are typical of the political conversation from that source using my name and offering no respect is a bit.....cannot think of a word strong enough.

PLEASE anytime you have a rebutt feel free but leave the name calling wherever you picked it up !

I'll give you credit for working hard Bucco, though a little obsessive in my opinion, but man, are you thin-skinned. The stuff that is discussed is clearly important, but this forum is really not.

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

I'll give you credit for working hard Bucco, though a little obsessive in my opinion, but man, are you thin-skinned. The stuff that is discussed is clearly important, but this forum is really not.

I certainly don't won't to speak for Bucco, but it isn't that difficult to read and stay informed. The point of the political forum is to discuss politics. It is very frustrating when people just repeat sound bites or parrot rhetoric and they don't even pretend to research, read or learn for themselves or to help others see their points of view, it is frustrating.

I honestly mean no disrespect, @ewissenbach, but I've seen a couple of comments you've made about the political forum. I'd love to see you participate and add your knowledge, because I have a feeling you are very smart. But with all due respect, it is optional. You can opt out if you aren't interested.

When everyone is respectful, uses a little bit of commonsense and questions without being a bully, political is very educational and a real enjoyable experience.

Originally Posted by janmcn

When you find those Chris Matthews' comments, could you please post a link to the video. I would be very interested to hear what Matthews had to say regarding waivers. Thanks

will do - but it takes a lot of time to look this stuff up...but will share when i find what i think i'm looking for. not even sure it was matthews aany more
but am pretty sure it was on one of the talking bobblehead sunday shows!

bucco - thanx for the back-up. do believe i heard the waiver topic mentioned on some sunday talk show and am making myself dizzy searching for it!

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

I certainly don't won't to speak for Bucco, but it isn't that difficult to read and stay informed. The point of the political forum is to discuss politics. It is very frustrating when people just repeat sound bites or parrot rhetoric and they don't even pretend to research, read or learn for themselves or to help others see their points of view, it is frustrating.

I honestly mean no disrespect, @ewissenbach, but I've seen a couple of comments you've made about the political forum. I'd love to see you participate and add your knowledge, because I have a feeling you are very smart. But with all due respect, it is optional. You can opt out if you aren't interested.

When everyone is respectful, uses a little bit of commonsense and questions without being a bully, political is very educational and a real enjoyable experience.

You are mostly correct BK, it should be no concern of mine how much time Bucco, or anyone else spends on the forum, or how seriously they take it. The thing that triggered my earlier response is that Bucco, in particular seems to take things so personally and that is probably why he gets so defensive. I look at a board like this as a diversion - something to pass time and share some opinions, and read others, but not to be a seriouis part of framing my political ideology. Most people who post here seem to be pretty well in their comfort zone as far as political affiliation and philosophy, and not likely to be swayed by information to the contrary. It is, in my mind, supposed to be a place to share opinions, and not a catalog of links or copy and paste from political blogs and news sources. Again, that is just my opinion, and I am usually not shy about sharing it. I agree with your last statement for the most part, but bullying, or as I call it, being an internet tough guy, usually elicits a response in-kind.

I'll make a pact with you, if you are willing. If you ever see me bully someone, call me out on it please. I'll do the same for you. We are all adults here (at least I like to imagine we are, who knows in Internet-land). There is no need to belittle or bully to get your point across. But you are right, it turns into a tit for a tat. I think Bucco got his belly full of that kind of behavior a few years back and just comes out fighting now whenever he feels threatened. He was kicked pretty hard. I have learned many things here in the past from people on the left, right and in the middle. The forum has certainly changed though.

I don't know you and I don't know if you were here before political was an opt-in forum or not. I joined just about the time the previous owners changed political to a separate forum you had to join. It was an alternative to doing away with political. It was pretty nasty. I would hate to see that happen again.