Originally Posted by Guest

Perhaps I have a slightly different take on this. I tend to be conservative but not very religious. That being said , I think the conflict is between 2 things:
1) The SCOTUS ruled that gay marriage is permissible and cannot be denied BY LAW. Is gay marriage THE LAW in Tennesee? The SCOTUS CANNOT write law, that takes the US or state legislatures. So, is she in jail for "breaking" a law that probably DOES NOT EXIST.
2) From her religious objection, she holds a position that now or shortly would require her to issue marriage licenses to gays. She does not have to perform or attend ceremonies. She does not have to bake their cake. She does not have to agree with their "sin". I'm sure she has issued many marriage licenses to other "sinners"--adulterers, drunk drivers, shoplifters, etc. All she has to do is her job. And if she needs religious clarification, even Christ told the people to "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's"---so it looks like Jesus expected his followers to follow man's law as well as God's

Absolutely right, in my opinion. I think you covered it very well.

Originally Posted by Guest

God is going to stand behind a woman that has been married four times. Marriage is between one man and one woman no matter how many times it takes to get it right. Sure, why not!

Very Clintonian ... trash the woman and call her names. As someone else said, if she had been a Muslim we would not hear a peep out of you would we?

Originally Posted by Guest

I understand that Obama is planning on coming out of the closet. He secretly wears his wife's dresses, but don't tell anyone.

I've heard the same rumor ... when Obie completes his term, he and Michelle go their separate ways. They will both become the superstar leaders of the LGBT movement.

Originally Posted by Guest

Very Clintonian ... trash the woman and call her names. As someone else said, if she had been a Muslim we would not hear a peep out of you would we?

The bigger question is: similar to the bakery, if a gay couple want their wedding catered with a pig roast by a Muslim deli, would the government go after the deli with the same zeal as the bakery???? What if the wedding was on the Muslim Sabbath, or during Ramadan. What if they didn't want to see a meal delivered by someone wearing a burka??? What if they wanted the food to be uncovered just after a Christian prayer? Simple answer---it would be a free pass, the ACLU would sue the couple, and the media would feast on the carcass

Originally Posted by Guest

I've heard the same rumor ... when Obie completes his term, he and Michelle go their separate ways. They will both become the superstar leaders of the LGBT movement.

That would require a work ethic, and Obie has never had a real job before. He may audition for host of SNL, since he spends a lot of time on there polishing his stand up comedy. Naw, still might have to work, and he won't have to once his pension kicks in. He'll probably try to crash the women's golf league, though. They can't turn him down, or that would be discrimination.

Originally Posted by Guest

I disagree. She was elected to perform specified tasks, and she is morally opposed to one of those tasks.

A truly moral person would resign, not keep the perks and her moment in the limelight. A moral person would remove herself from the perceived immorality.

There is not a religion on earth that excepts homosexuals. Living in a free America she has all the right in the world to refuse them a license. The gay population is 1% in the USA and I assure you all there is no line waiting for this type of license. The couple should go to another county to get their license from an atheist.

Originally Posted by Guest

There is not a religion on earth that excepts homosexuals. Living in a free America she has all the right in the world to refuse them a license. The gay population is 1% in the USA and I assure you all there is no line waiting for this type of license. The couple should go to another county to get their license from an atheist.

Originally Posted by Guest

There is not a religion on earth that excepts homosexuals. Living in a free America she has all the right in the world to refuse them a license. The gay population is 1% in the USA and I assure you all there is no line waiting for this type of license. The couple should go to another county to get their license from an atheist.

Where did you get your figures?

Bloomberg states: In fact, they think that 23 percent of Americans, or almost one in four, are are gays or lesbians, a Gallup survey released Thursday revealed. That's way off: The polling organization most recently found that less than 4 percent self-identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender.



Americans Vastly Overestimate Size of Gay and Lesbian Population - Bloomberg Politics

And please, the word is ACCEPTS.

Originally Posted by Guest

There is not a religion on earth that excepts homosexuals. Living in a free America she has all the right in the world to refuse them a license. The gay population is 1% in the USA and I assure you all there is no line waiting for this type of license. The couple should go to another county to get their license from an atheist.

You should go back to your 4th grade English class. The word is "accepts". Look it up.

Originally Posted by Guest

Where did you get your figures?

Bloomberg states: In fact, they think that 23 percent of Americans, or almost one in four, are are gays or lesbians, a Gallup survey released Thursday revealed. That's way off: The polling organization most recently found that less than 4 percent self-identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender.



Americans Vastly Overestimate Size of Gay and Lesbian*Population - Bloomberg Politics

And please, the word is ACCEPTS.

Dear Guest: spot on ...the gay community has been pedaling that nonsense for a long time to gain credibility. I venture a guess of about 1% of the population.

the gay community in the 1980's launched their overhaul of straight America which can be best expressed in Alexander Pope's poem "Vice is a monster of so frightful mien, As to be hated needs but to be seen, Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face, We first endure, then pity, then embrace." In other words display it repeatedly in plain view ( movies TV etc) which will normalize it and hence socialize it.

Preceding their launch was to manipulate the removal as being abnormal "homosexuality" from the DSM (Diagnostic & Statistical Manual of Mental Illnesses) If one has had an opportunity to review what is consider abnormal its clear the removal of homosexuality was politically motivated and not based on scientific fact .

One does not have to draw God into this argument because nature alone supports the argument against homosexuality The KY clerk discharged her duties was jailed without bail and remains in jail. A person accused of murder often is given bail. Worse yet this clerk should have never been jailed but this is a political stand that is being carried out across this country. common practice in such issues of disobedience begin with fines not jail time. and one has to ask why all those state and local offices issuing same sex marriages licenses were not jailed before the SCOTUS verdict?

Make no mistake about it this KY case is imperative to both sides as to who will win because it is a harbinger for the laws that follow.

I disagreed with SCOTUS because it was plain and simple politics at its worse and because I believe such decision belong to individual states.

The homosexual community is now making a big push against religious freedom and the elimination of gender. Can you imagine anyone denying that we have both male and female homo sapiens? Its maddening plain maddening.

Personal Best Regards:

The KY clerk

Originally Posted by Guest

Where did you get your figures?

Bloomberg states: In fact, they think that 23 percent of Americans, or almost one in four, are are gays or lesbians, a Gallup survey released Thursday revealed. That's way off: The polling organization most recently found that less than 4 percent self-identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender.



Americans Vastly Overestimate Size of Gay and Lesbian*Population - Bloomberg Politics

And please, the word is ACCEPTS.

Thank you for the help with the spelling (:

What I said still holds true there are no lines forming for this service in Kentucky or anywhere else.

The powers that be will jail someone for being a moral Christian and then build a prayer room at the Orlando airport for the muslim population.

Originally Posted by Guest

Dear Guest: spot on ...the gay community has been pedaling that nonsense for a long time to gain credibility. I venture a guess of about 1% of the population.

the gay community in the 1980's launched their overhaul of straight America which can be best expressed in Alexander Pope's poem "Vice is a monster of so frightful mien, As to be hated needs but to be seen, Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face, We first endure, then pity, then embrace." In other words display it repeatedly in plain view ( movies TV etc) which will normalize it and hence socialize it.

Preceding their launch was to manipulate the removal as being abnormal "homosexuality" from the DSM (Diagnostic & Statistical Manual of Mental Illnesses) If one has had an opportunity to review what is consider abnormal its clear the removal of homosexuality was politically motivated and not based on scientific fact .

One does not have to draw God into this argument because nature alone supports the argument against homosexuality The KY clerk discharged her duties was jailed without bail and remains in jail. A person accused of murder often is given bail. Worse yet this clerk should have never been jailed but this is a political stand that is being carried out across this country. common practice in such issues of disobedience begin with fines not jail time. and one has to ask why all those state and local offices issuing same sex marriages licenses were not jailed before the SCOTUS verdict?

Make no mistake about it this KY case is imperative to both sides as to who will win because it is a harbinger for the laws that follow.

I disagreed with SCOTUS because it was plain and simple politics at its worse and because I believe such decision belong to individual states.

The homosexual community is now making a big push against religious freedom and the elimination of gender. Can you imagine anyone denying that we have both male and female homo sapiens? Its maddening plain maddening.

Personal Best Regards:

The KY clerk

Absolutely correct re: the DSM. Homosexuality was listed as a mental disorder until the early 70's when it was removed by a VOTE of psychiatrists on the editorial board that was something like a 52% to 48% margin if I remember correctly. And anyone who thinks, much less publishes that 23% of America is gay NEEDS a psychiatrist. That being said, gay exists, and gay citizens are entitled to equal protection UNDER THE LAW. That does not make them equal to non-gays in EVERYTHING, just under the law. I golf, but I am not EQUAL to Jack Nicklaus. I invest, but I am not equal to Warren Buffet. Likewise, a strictly lesbian couple is not equal say in reproductive capability. I think the supports of gay rights tend to merge the concept of equal protection under the law to equality in general, which is simply a myth, just as it is with equality among straights.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Absolutely correct re: the DSM. Homosexuality was listed as a mental disorder until the early 70's when it was removed by a VOTE of psychiatrists on the editorial board that was something like a 52% to 48% margin if I remember correctly. And anyone who thinks, much less publishes that 23% of America is gay NEEDS a psychiatrist. That being said, gay exists, and gay citizens are entitled to equal protection UNDER THE LAW. That does not make them equal to non-gays in EVERYTHING, just under the law. I golf, but I am not EQUAL to Jack Nicklaus. I invest, but I am not equal to Warren Buffet. Likewise, a strictly lesbian couple is not equal say in reproductive capability. I think the supports of gay rights tend to merge the concept of equal protection under the law to equality in general, which is simply a myth, just as it is with equality among straights.

Dear Guest: Just for clarification from a personal perspective I believe in the religious philosophy of hate the sin love the sinner. There are many lifestyles in America to which I disagree and can not relate .

I do not like the fact that five unelected judges made a decision to dismiss the definition of marriage as being one man and one women a definition and belief that has been handed down generation after generation since the beginning of time and for logical and natural reasons .

I don't care what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms but I do not like it displayed in public.

Finally again the goal of the gay community leadership is to erase gender completely: To wit the transgender movements in schools, the military etc
The attempts to eliminate all pronouns that identify gender . Because if you successfully eliminate the definition of a man and a woman well the what's left ? and what differences does it then make in your choice? Radically progressives intellectualize themselves into stupidity ( ie they always en up going overboard and deluding themselves)

Personal Best Regards:

We should all refer to ourselves and others as "things". Then no one will be offended.

30 Magistrates in North Carolina are refusing to perform gay marriages, legally. North Carolina now has a law protecting them. I wonder what their law says that KY doesn't. I still think that this girl could have made things easier on herself if she had kept her mouth shut, and just refused to issue the licenses until she had to by written instruction.