Originally Posted by iaudit

Hey admin, what do you think about this post? On point and a positive contribution????????

If the situation stuck VG as humorous, is that forbidden. You want the Admin to become the "thought police"? The post wasn't mean and it wasn't close to a personal attack. It was addressing a post on this forum by the original author, so it wasn't far off topic.

Maybe lightening up a little would be in order.

I have to agree with all this we do need to write our reps I do and the illegals should go back to where ever . I worked three jobs when I was younger and never collected welfare or unemployment no help from the government. Now we are giving away AID and the people that are getting it some have never worked. Yes there are a lot of imigrintes that work their ass off but they dont pay taxes as we do and have done. You see comtractors pay these people cash no w2 and no 1099. That is where I get mad. You want to inforce imigration inforce the contractors practises. Pardon the spelling I had a couple of beers

Alright, what about the questions I posed about the sub-contractors of The Villages and the illegal workers that are building the houses we live in?

Should ICE come in and do a dragnet to arrest all the illegal workers in one fell swoop and send them back to their home country?

What would that do to the building of houses in The Villages and the economy that is stimulated by The Villages?

group hug?nawwww, not interested..Admin can stay outta this,we are all big boys,,,,and girls..VG needs a laugh...

The original post states that the news article says there is already a means available through homeland security,on line,to do this check,and for some reason Florida has chosen not to be part of it..That seems weird to me as they just passed a tough immigration law..My point is that perhaps there is enough political clout here, of a conservative nature, to turn up the fires in the governor's office and our local legislator here in the villages..She's a trip and extremely helpful to buisness though.

Originally Posted by hrp01

We have come a long way..Everyone here needs to re read all of these posts and look at the COMMON GROUND..That is what all of us need to build on..

In all seriousness...been saving this for just such a special occassion!

Originally Posted by buggyone

Alright, what about the questions I posed about the sub-contractors of The Villages and the illegal workers that are building the houses we live in?

Should ICE come in and do a dragnet to arrest all the illegal workers in one fell swoop and send them back to their home country?

What would that do to the building of houses in The Villages and the economy that is stimulated by The Villages?

I would say yes to question #1

Let Morse answer question #2.

ZCaveman was the only person that answered the questions. Thank you.

However, if this did happen, you have to ask yourself what would happen to the value of your property? Would it go up if there were hundreds of partially finished houses with no one around to finish building them? Would people still be wanting to move to The Villages if large sections had uncompleted houses that were not being built?

Basically, I see this as a situation that needs the undocumented workers. If there are not the great numbers of documented workers, who will pick up the slack? It is for our own economic good that undocumented workers be given some kind of work documents that will allow them to legally be in the country, work, pay taxes, and it would eventually lead to citizenship.

Would I want ICE to do a dragnet to mass arrest them? No way!

Read or Google "Postville, Iowa" to find out what happens to a small town when that mass arrest does happen.

Illegal is illegal is illegal. If they are working here illegally, then yes they should come in here and arrest them. There are plenty of legal workers who fill the void of the illegal workers.

buggy one..there are more than enough construction workers ready and able to take up the slack..those that fear unions have no need to worry..Unions have long ago been dead in the construction industries in florida..

I once saw ins come to a site in south florida when I lived there and it was funny..they (illegals) were literally jumping from the roofs of homes to swim in thelake to get away...I cracked up and it sent a real message to the developer...Subcontractors typically are the ones guilty of this because they will do piece work..That's why they are seen working till dark and on weekends..No hourly rates and no benefits...

Yes, INS should come do a sweep. Would the cost of your house go up? No. Only the profit margin of the contractor/subconstractor would go down. No matter who builds your house, the cost is figured out before hand and if the carpenter get $25.00 per hour as a legal worker and the illegal gets $10 p/h the subcontractor only pockets the difference. You are still paying X amount per square foot, no matter who swings the hammer. Then some of that money is given to our current crop of criminals at the local, state and federal level for looking the other way and NOT enforcing our immigration laws or the labor laws.

With the current level of unemployment there would be no problem filling all those jobs, you know the shovel ready jobs that our President is talking about.

Where does the line get drawn when rationalizing why certain illegal situations are OK with people. I am not for amnesty of any kind, but a simple (aren't they all?) solution is to start locking down the permissive invasion....TODAY!!! Then go to work seeking out those that are here ILLEGALLY to get them documented or send them home if they don't cooperate. Filling a "void" condones breaking the law...not in my America!!

Our permissive pacifism, non enforcement, look the other way mode of running this country is pure unadulterated BS.....

btk

Originally Posted by billethkid

What will it take?
It will take every single person you know to write to their representatives, both houses and Obama stating exactly how you feel and what you expect THEM to do about it as our REPRESENTATIVES.

TOTV population/members could be an example. Of the members how many are in political....pretty small number. Of those in political, how many write their representatives and Obama? Statistically we know it will be less than 20%, but I bet it is not 1/4 of that.

Take the population of TV 80,000 or so. How many write their representatives TELLING them what is not liked about an issue...any issue....or what is expected of THEM.
I will bet the number would be less than 5000....maybe a lot less than that.

Until such time as there is an overwhelming change in the number of people who go after their representatives, nothing will happen.

Over the years I have tried everything...giving people lists of their reps and addresses, providing form letters on an issue, providing email contacts with a formatted letter to be customized by an individual, even provided addressed/stamped envelopes and a copy of a letter for the individual to customize to their style. Accomplishment over the years? Too small to even take any credit...I would give me a low mark on accomplishment.

That has to change to make a difference. And it would make a difference. Waiting for an election does not work...too much happens in between. And talk of failing accomplishment...out of the registered voters how many actually vote. Less than half. Of the total eligible to register, how many registered? If I said 1/4 I might be too high.

The politicians know this. History is on the politicians side as they know the status quo, business as usual by we the people means voting and writing/contacting politicians is somebody elses job.

Until that changes nothing will happen....AND THE POLITICIANS KNOW AND COUNT ON IT.

Another example of a major issue affecting the American people, so easy to solve and nothing gets done.

Just look at the successes special interest groups and lobbyists get. Because the representatives are being told by them what to do.

That is what it is going to take. Nothing new. Hence the term the silent majority....because they are.

btk

btk: I suspect many many hundreds of people like me have written countless times demanding something be done about illegal immigration. but as we all know politicians won't touch it with a ten foot pole for all the reasons cited in this thread.

The fact is that even some Republicans have joined with liberals and the Tea Party to stop E verify.

Its just plain wrong to support illegal immigration and to believe this nonsense that crops won't be harvested and lawns cut. The truth is emplyers want cheap labor.

Illegal immigration is cost taxpayers billions upon billions while emplyers reap the harvest. E verify will work and people will fill those jobs left opened by illegals; albeit it at higher wages which by the way won't or can't be passed along to consumers. DON'T BELIEVE THE SCARE TACTICS. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION MEANS TERRORIST ARE PROBABLY CROSSING OUR BORDERS TOO.

Originally Posted by billethkid

Where does the line get drawn when rationalizing why certain illegal situations are OK with people. I am not for amnesty of any kind, but a simple (aren't they all?) solution is to start locking down the permissive invasion....TODAY!!! Then go to work seeking out those that are here ILLEGALLY to get them documented or send them home if they don't cooperate. Filling a "void" condones breaking the law...not in my America!!

Our permissive pacifism, non enforcement, look the other way mode of running this country is pure unadulterated BS.....

btk

I agree. Has anybody seen the unemployment figures lately? Counting the people who are working part-time jobs to get by, the real rate is around 25%.

Stop this illegal invasion of our country. Mowing lawns and picking crops will be taking care of when junior's parents go down to his basement bedroom early in the morning and rustle his feathers.

I wonder if one of our good posters is going to make a call to ICE to request a round-up of home builders in The Villages ...

Originally Posted by buggyone

I wonder if one of our good posters is going to make a call to ICE to request a round-up of home builders in The Villages ...

Well, well well....let's see The Villages is advertised in all forms of media (print, TV, etc> ) We have had presidents, vice presidents and presidential candidates, senatorial candidates and governor candidates, movie stars, fox news, etc. here which was televised all over the nation . Do you really believe The Villages and its operations are a well kept secret? do you believe one call or one thousand to ICE would generate any interest?????

I for one am not going to waste one more brain cell on this issue because the people responsible for a cure don't want to treat the disease. They will tell you they do but they say it with a wink and then deflate.