Good article in The Daily Sun about the topic today. It stated that if between a choice of comparable quality prodicts but one being cheaper because of being made overseas and the more expensive being made in America - most Americans would buy the cheaper item.

Someone on the forum stated he owned a Ford. He should look at the invoice and it tells what percentage is actually made in America. Answer - not too much.

Since I don't play golf, I don't give a rat's @ss as to how much you have to pay for clubs. It sounds to me like you are whining about the cost of being an elite. You must be a democrat. If America wants to pay less for products then they should not have instituted all kinds of labor laws and endorsed unions. Wages go up so products go up. Just play the stupid game and get over yourself. Americans made their products unattainable for the average consumer. You want minimum wages of $15 an hour, then expect to pay $15 for a hamburger. Live with it or quit expecting everything given to you.

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Since I don't play golf, I don't give a rat's @ss as to how much you have to pay for clubs. It sounds to me like you are whining about the cost of being an elite. You must be a democrat. If America wants to pay less for products then they should not have instituted all kinds of labor laws and endorsed unions. Wages go up so products go up. Just play the stupid game and get over yourself. Americans made their products unattainable for the average consumer. You want minimum wages of $15 an hour, then expect to pay $15 for a hamburger. Live with it or quit expecting everything given to you.

Originally Posted by Guest

Since I don't play golf, I don't give a rat's @ss as to how much you have to pay for clubs. It sounds to me like you are whining about the cost of being an elite. You must be a democrat. If America wants to pay less for products then they should not have instituted all kinds of labor laws and endorsed unions. Wages go up so products go up. Just play the stupid game and get over yourself. Americans made their products unattainable for the average consumer. You want minimum wages of $15 an hour, then expect to pay $15 for a hamburger. Live with it or quit expecting everything given to you.

Judging by your attack on me I'm guessing you would not be very good at golf anyways. You might want to try cornhole. I am far from an elitist, I'm not a democrat, and I was not whining about paying for a set of golf clubs. What I was whining about was not being able to purchase a set of golf clubs made by US workers. If that makes me a communist I guess I'm guilty. I have not idea what the hell you are talking about with $15 hamburger, actually I don't give a rats a## either.

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Judging by your attack on me I'm guessing you would not be very good at golf anyways. You might want to try cornhole. I am far from an elitist, I'm not a democrat, and I was not whining about paying for a set of golf clubs. What I was whining about was not being able to purchase a set of golf clubs made by US workers. If that makes me a communist I guess I'm guilty. I have not idea what the hell you are talking about with $15 hamburger, actually I don't give a rats a## either.

Sorry, by the way you imagined my "attack" on you, I would have thought you to be a sensitive liberal. Notice that I did not use a reply function, just making a comment since the thread seemed to flow towards golf. You are probably right that I would not be very good at golf anyway. I do have a garage sale set of clubs and also some wood shaft clubs, but have not had the time or inclination to learn the game yet. I figured that I would take a lesson or two before my initial attempt at the game. Never tried cornhole. Sounds like a gay thing to me, but I'm sure it's fun for some types. I have played bocci for a few years before finally admitting that it is too boring for me. Pickleball is more to my liking so I play several days a week. But I digress.

If you did not understand the implication of a $15 hamburger, then you have not been keeping current with events about all the protests regarding the minimum wage dispute. You were crying about your set of clubs costing too much in America, which means nothing to me because I find the game to be less interesting than other sports. No insult meant, but I would rather that someone return the ball to me, rather than hit the ball out there and then walk miles retrieving it. Seems kind of a pointless exercise to me, the uninitiated.

The point that I tried to make in the earlier post was that WE are the reason that American made products cost more than anywhere else. We are the ones that drove up labor costs by greed, not other countries. And many in our country live a more satisfying lifestyle, at a lower income level because we get compatible goods cheaper from overseas than the more expensive goods made in America. Blue jeans are made overseas, but we are able to have a nice stylish new pair for a fraction of what they cost American made. How much do you think computers would cost if made in the U.S.? How about that fancy Apple phone that's made overseas? We caused this problem with gov regulation and union wages. It's not OTHER countries that are at fault, it's our greed.

I find it interesting and disingenuous that many that complain about CEO's making big money, and bonuses are probably reaping the benefit of living in million dollar homes here in the Villages. There are not too many other countries in the world that have as many millionaires as we do in America. Even our low earners live better than supposed middle earners in other countries, especially those with more socialized services.

Having a discussion that does not agree with you, does not mean one is "attacking" you. If we have to be Politically Correct in our speak, then we really can't have a legitimate discussion.

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Having a discussion that does not agree with you, does not mean one is "attacking" you. If we have to be Politically Correct in our speak, then we really can't have a legitimate discussion.

Unfortunately, that's how it is when "discussing" certain topics. They don't want to hear the truth, they can't handle the truth.

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

Aristotle

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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

Aristotle

Bigotry is intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself. It's a lot faster.

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Bigotry is intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself. It's a lot faster.

But what "liberals" call bigotry isn't. Bigotry is a non-defensible hatred or dislike. That's NOT what's really happening. People who are against "diversity" have legitimate reasons to be against it. It's not bigotry, it's survival of your culture, society, nation. There's a good reason we want to keep America "white". Look at what happens EVERYWHERE the percentage of "immigrants" or minorities gets too large. The nation changes or falls apart. It's never "good" for the native population.

Ask the native americans what happens when too many immigrants arrive! We're doing the same thing, diluting our culture, allowing ourselves to be invaded. Minority children are now more than white children enrolling for school. That is a FRIGHTENING development. We're being bred out of our own country...like the native americans were. It just may get just as violent.

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Bigotry is intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself. It's a lot faster.

Key word is "intolerance." You may not condone some practice or trait, but still TOLERATE it. If you have tolerance then you are not a bigot. Liberals seem to have the habit accusing anyone that doesn't agree with them or their policies as a bigot, racist or sexist. It never occurs to them that people may not agree. To them, they cannot comprehend why everyone won't see things the way they do, therefore there has to be something inherently wrong with them, such as being a bigot.

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Key word is "intolerance." You may not condone some practice or trait, but still TOLERATE it. If you have tolerance then you are not a bigot. Liberals seem to have the habit accusing anyone that doesn't agree with them or their policies as a bigot, racist or sexist. It never occurs to them that people may not agree. To them, they cannot comprehend why everyone won't see things the way they do, therefore there has to be something inherently wrong with them, such as being a bigot.

Please feel free to take a bow on the above.

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Stop with the racist talk and Obama being the fault of all evil.

The problem is that foreign countries like China, Bangladesh, Mexico, El Salvador pay their laborers (often children) just pennies per hour and in the USA we pay at least $7.50 per hour. Of course things cost more here.

If a set of irons costs $700 and made in Bangladesh - just think what the cost would be if the manufacturer had to pay the workers $20 per hour. Would you be willing to pay $5000 for irons?

Huh?? Are you suggesting that a set of irons take an enormous amount of labor to build? I would have guessed at less than an hour to push 7 shafts into 7 heads. Also in the $700 there is mark up for the store, and the distributor. Obviously they have to make some money too!

Racist talk will always exist as long as the words such as "they" "we" "them" and "others" exist. Those words (and more) are used to identify difference, and I do not believe those words will be abolished. (Maybe you think just the N word is bad???)

Obamma has definitely contributed to the fault of all EVIL!

STOCK UP ON AMMO!

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Judging by your attack on me I'm guessing you would not be very good at golf anyways. You might want to try cornhole. I am far from an elitist, I'm not a democrat, and I was not whining about paying for a set of golf clubs. What I was whining about was not being able to purchase a set of golf clubs made by US workers. If that makes me a communist I guess I'm guilty. I have not idea what the hell you are talking about with $15 hamburger, actually I don't give a rats a## either.

These days, Even if the golf clubs where made in America, more than likely they would be made by illegal alien workers!

Ever seen a Tesla built:4
Ya' think they can figure out how to grip a shaft and glue it in a club head with a robot?

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Ever seen a Tesla built:4
Ya' think they can figure out how to grip a shaft and glue it in a club head with a robot?

Those WERE middle class jobs.

Not making an opinion, just saying...