Originally Posted by Guest

They will step up to the bar and proudly take responsibility for stopping the nose diving of the USA when they take over the WH in 2017.
They will take responsibility for not appologizing for returning back to world class leadership.
They will take responsibilty for returning the military to it's prior position of respect and fear.
They will return the enforcement and protection of the constitution.
They will return the progress of races back in the positive direction.

Just to name a few.

......just heard a liberal head explode.

My experience with Medicare seems to be contrary to what is being implied by some of these posts. The cost to the Government and taxpayer's is hidden by the low premiums that the Medicare eligible person pays. One trip to the hospital without coverage would bankrupt the average person. Only those paying for health insurance before Medicare are paying a premium based on the reality of the costs of medical treatment. If Medicare was eliminated premiums would rise to match the reality of the market and the Government would save billions by not paying into the system. Of course your premiums would rise. That would be the cost of not relying on Uncle Sam to subsidize the health insurance industry.

Originally Posted by Guest

My experience with Medicare seems to be contrary to what is being implied by some of these posts. The cost to the Government and taxpayer's is hidden by the low premiums that the Medicare eligible person pays. One trip to the hospital without coverage would bankrupt the average person. Only those paying for health insurance before Medicare are paying a premium based on the reality of the costs of medical treatment. If Medicare was eliminated premiums would rise to match the reality of the market and the Government would save billions by not paying into the system. Of course your premiums would rise. That would be the cost of not relying on Uncle Sam to subsidize the health insurance industry.

Where does that reasoning come from? Too many inconsistencies to work with, so I am not going to pick you supposition apart.

What "low premiums" are you referring to? You pay via payroll taxes for 35-45 years or more. If you are referring to the supplemental plans, that is a different matter.

"Subsidize the health insurance industry?" Subsidize is to give or pay for a product or service. If you mean, give a tax break, that's different. I have to laugh every time some suggests that we are "subsidizing" the oil industry when the fact is that we are allowing them to keep some of their money....THEIR money.

Liberals like to think of tax breaks as the gov GIVING you money. Money that you earned and they just allowed you to keep.

Maybe I misunderstood your comment on Medicare.

If Medicare is not doing well, and failing, then someone has to either replace it, or modify it to last. Same with Social Security. Making believe that there isn't any problem with the system does not make failure go away. Someone needs to man up and acknowledge that we have a problem and that it needs to be fixed. Diversion is not an option.

Carson just wants to eliminate your Medicare and give you $2,000 to buy health insurance.

That dog won't hunt!

So what is the monthly premium for non Medicare health insurance for an individual or a family of 2? That is not subsidized health insurance. I realize we've been paying into the system for years. Eliminate Medicare and lets see what $2,000 will buy in insurance premiums.
What I am saying is eliminate Medicare and let's see what the real premiums would be for people over 65. It's safe to say most Social Security checks wouldn't cover the premiums. I'm getting the impression that people want to eliminate Obamacare and Medicare and the free market would determine the rates.

Originally Posted by Guest

So what is the monthly premium for non Medicare health insurance for an individual or a family of 2? That is not subsidized health insurance. I realize we've been paying into the system for years. Eliminate Medicare and lets see what $2,000 will buy in insurance premiums.
What I am saying is eliminate Medicare and let's see what the real premiums would be for people over 65. It's safe to say most Social Security checks wouldn't cover the premiums. I'm getting the impression that people want to eliminate Obamacare and Medicare and the free market would determine the rates.

You want to see what $2,000. is going to buy a senior couple on the open market. No, you don't. You are looking for a non-group plan at community rates for someone over 65 years old. You would be lucky to see a $3,000. per month premium. If you don't think that is the case, go online a check rates for non-group plans for couples under 65.

What do you need Medicare for when you have ObamaCare?