I wish I could vote for this guy. Ron Paul is my hero of the moment.

He says everyone in Congress and the Executive Branch of government should go through the backscatter imaging machine and look at the picture that results, and then should have to go through the invasive groping, genital probing pat down search and then opine on this procedure.

I would add that they also should be made to watch their wives and children go through the same procedure.

Rep. Ron Paul believes it's time to stop behaving like cattle and behaving like freeborn Americans.

People are starting to revolt at this governmental overreach and some of our representatives are beginning to speak out in our behalf. Maybe I will be able to fly again in the future.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibr...ppid=599164944

I may not agree with everything coming form the Paul family (Ron and his son Rand) but I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree with this.

I forget who it was who proposed a Constitutional Ammendment that basically said Congress shall pass no law that it is, itself, exempted from.

In today's Boston Globe, Derrick Jackson writes a column that is basically pro-scanning/patdown. Jackson has a different view of innocent African Americans being pulled over randomly while driving, but I digress.

The comments section got very heated in places but one of the comments stood out to me:

How would the passengers of the four planes used on 911 feel about body scanners. I bet they would be scanned or searched without complaining. No one says you have a God given right to fly in a plane. If you object, take another mode of transportation.

My response? How would those passengers feel if they knew, going on to that plane, that the security guards ignored the metal scans that everyone goes through and allowed the terrorists on the planes with boxcutters? You know - the security agents that at least had to have a high-school degree, unlike the TSA agents today.

I have been diligently writing to my senator, the ACLU, never thought that would happen, TSA civil rights division. The list is endless but I am doing my part. I fly into a rage when they say but its only 1% percent of the travelers that get the pat down. And why is it that only 1% percent have the honor of being groped? Mainly because you have some type of metal implant or medical device which you can't remove before you go through the metal detector. Everybody thinks they are safe because we 1% are patted down...have they forgotten? The shoe bomber went through a metal detector no problem that is why we take off our shoes now. The underwear bomber went through a metal detector no issues. That is why they are "touching our junk now". But they are only touch the junk of people who set off the metal detector.....think about it. Who has the makings of a bomb in his or her pants? Any metal parts? If not then BOOM!!!

Fly safety this holiday season...I am driving. Go Buffs Beat the Huskers.

Originally Posted by djplong

In today's Boston Globe, Derrick Jackson writes a column that is basically pro-scanning/patdown. Jackson has a different view of innocent African Americans being pulled over randomly while driving, but I digress.

The comments section got very heated in places but one of the comments stood out to me:



My response? How would those passengers feel if they knew, going on to that plane, that the security guards ignored the metal scans that everyone goes through and allowed the terrorists on the planes with boxcutters? You know - the security agents that at least had to have a high-school degree, unlike the TSA agents today.

We dunno if this kind of story made it around (didn't notice it in the VDS!), but we first heard it on one of those alternative airways yesterday, so we assumed it might have a bit of conspiratorial tone, so we searched words like scanning, lobby, etc....

here was one result:

http://www.13wmaz.com/news/local/sto...storyid=100758

We just flew back from Lisbon, Portugal (in the nick of time we just heard!) this week and took several flights to and from through some of the 'tightest' places on the planet, Amsterdam and Paris.
It was very fast, but rules and contraband varied.
The French never liked plastic yarn scissors! AMS didn't like some of the bike parts and tools(heavens, even a small roll of duct tape, ?)
Jeepers, they have metal cutlery in business class, and their headfones could strangle the pilot (who gets scanned even though he'
s driving a megaton bomb and has a sidearm!?!?)

Driving the van from Spain into Portugal was a surprise.
An open border for decades, this year, they mobilized the troops for three days and pulled us over for a check.
After pleading 'no speak' (though our son knows the tongue) they found an English tongue
"Obama's coming, 'Naht-o meeting', everybody out, what's in the back?"
"personal goods and our daughter"
The rear door opened, she rose to a shotgun-toting guard, thankfully not pointing.
They were nicer than they needed to be, one admitted they ar4e on strike but still had to do their thing.
The dog was friendly and we passed the sniff test in and out and left no hair on the seats.
They asked about any alcohol, tobacco, weapons, and one time pacifist materials.
Good heavens, dare say someone bring in peace to a country hosting a nato conference!

Personally we are not offended by the touch and Xray, but are appalled at the money, time, and delays this system is imposing.
There must be a better way. Maybe we will look back and laugh as we do now at the time wasting , twice and thrice repeated interviews of old "has anyone put anything in your bag without your knowledge?"
Is an airthug gonna say "there might be a gun in there"

We often think that turning over airport protocol and crowd management to Diuney would be the best.
Maybe the whole world?

L and L

Where are the protesters?I think most people arn't bothered by this. Don't like it don"t fly.

Internet sites, News media, e-mail discussions, etc.


Remember when Bush tightened up on security and the left-wingers cried foul and made a big stink about losing our personal freedoms?

Have you noticed that they are no longer afraid of losing said freedoms?

Hypocrites no? I guess it is alright now that Comrade Obama is in White House?

Originally Posted by hdh1470

Where are the protesters?I think most people arn't bothered by this. Don't like it don"t fly.

Obviously you are very out of touch. Did you miss the part about the flight attendant, a breast cancer survivor, having to take her artificial breast off? How does she give up flying and why should she. Did ya miss the part about the guy having his artifical bladder ripped off by one of these searchs? He was flying to a wedding.

You should be a ashamed for such flipant comment.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a8jGVXOMsw[/ame]

Originally Posted by Ajack

Internet sites, News media, e-mail discussions, etc.


Remember when Bush tightened up on security and the left-wingers cried foul and made a big stink about losing our personal freedoms?

Have you noticed that they are no longer afraid of losing said freedoms?

Hypocrites no? I guess it is alright now that Comrade Obama is in White House?

Come On....Comrade? Enough. And this is NOT a left wing protest. Get real.

Originally Posted by cologal

I have been diligently writing to my senator, the ACLU, never thought that would happen, TSA civil rights division. The list is endless but I am doing my part. I fly into a rage when they say but its only 1% percent of the travelers that get the pat down. And why is it that only 1% percent have the honor of being groped? Mainly because you have some type of metal implant or medical device which you can't remove before you go through the metal detector. Everybody thinks they are safe because we 1% are patted down...have they forgotten? The shoe bomber went through a metal detector no problem that is why we take off our shoes now. The underwear bomber went through a metal detector no issues. That is why they are "touching our junk now". But they are only touch the junk of people who set off the metal detector.....think about it. Who has the makings of a bomb in his or her pants? Any metal parts? If not then BOOM!!!

Fly safety this holiday season...I am driving. Go Buffs Beat the Huskers.

Have you noticed that the people who are standing behind the TSA and this new security, WHICH IS A VIOLATION OF THE FOURTH AMENDMENT, are the liberals in the news. Chris Matthews on his show railed about the opposition of these new procedures, and claimed the protesters are stirred up by the Right Wing extremists. His support of these procedures, he said, is that Obama would get blamed for a terrorist getting through security.

Chris Matthews is the same man who a few years ago screamed bloody murder about warrantless wiretapping that was authorized by the Patriot Act, but never utilized.
By the way, you did know that the Patriot Act was penned by Joe Biden. It's all coming full circle.

Once the Fourth Amendment is effectively rendered obsolete by our acquiescence to the governments implementation of continued and escalating security protocols, can we consider ourselves "free Americans"? Can we continue to expect privacy in our personal life? Do you really think that they only want this much intrusion into our lives and then, "that's it"?

The only way for the Socialist/Communists to advance their agenda to the next level is to eat away at our views of "personal freedom" and "personal privacy" and "rights of the individual". This is only the beginning of the incremental eradication of the American ideal.

All on the pretext of our "safety" and "security".

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P.S. I'm also driving this holiday season and for all my traveling in the foreseeable future until this abominable incursion into our personal privacy is eliminated. My future traveling dollars will now be spent on gasoline, restaurants and hotels. This should make those who say "YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T FLY" happy, as they continue to have themselves and their children photographed naked and probingly groped.

Originally Posted by cologal

Come On....Comrade? Enough. And this is NOT a left wing protest. Get real.

What I was saying is that many on the left that protested during the Bush years about losing personal freedom are strangely silent about the current happenings at airports. Do Obama supporters like what is going on at airports? If they don't then why are they now silent?

Originally Posted by cologal

Obviously you are very out of touch. Did you miss the part about the flight attendant, a breast cancer survivor, having to take her artificial breast off? How does she give up flying and why should she. Did ya miss the part about the guy having his artifical bladder ripped off by one of these searchs? He was flying to a wedding.

You should be a ashamed for such flipant comment.

I stand but I said. How many people have been screened? and you come up with 2 .You need to start living in the real world.I still feel thats a small price to pay to be safe.

Originally Posted by hdh1470

I stand but I said. How many people have been screened? and you come up with 2 .You need to start living in the real world.I still feel thats a small price to pay to be safe.

And when they come for you, who will be left to speak up?

I say to heck with the Fourth Amendment. Our Founding Fathers had no idea what the world would be like in the 21st century. I think the TSA and the federal government should be able to conduct searches and seizures without warrants or reason to suspect.

It is the same as with the right to bear arms and separation of church and state. The Founding Fathers didn't mean guns in your homes or being able to pray in schools. It was another world back then. We have to allow judges and the government adapt and interpret the Constitution to our situation.

Even if it is a 90 year old woman or someone with a doctors affidavit that says they have a medical apparatus or a child who has been sexually abused, I say let the TSA search and search away. Search every cavity. If it keeps me safe. Fine and detain if anyone pulls that bologna Constitutional crap. If you don't have anything to hide, what are you scared of; if it keeps us safe?

If it keeps us safe, let the government come into our homes and search. Let them search our work and personal computers and track our phone conversations. I have nothing to hide.

If someone is driving down the road and the police get a tip you may have something explosive or dangerous, they don't have time to go before a judge and get a search warrant. Let them pull us over and strip you on the side of the road and impound the car. If it keeps us safe.

I think the government has a right to put out a shoot to kill order, like they did on U.S. Citizen Anwar Al-Awlaki, without a military tribunal or trial. If it keeps us safe.

I say let the government check my debit card and bank account to see what I'm buying. Check my library records or the movies I rent. If it keeps us safe. Put a tracking devise on vehicles. Put up security cameras in my neighborhood and listening devises in our homes. If you don't have anything to hide, you shouldn't be worried.

If it keeps us safe, we should be willing to give up freedoms and liberties, right?