Originally Posted by Guest

please explain what you are saying here ?

Everyone is GUEST and everyone can id whomever they want by simply looking.

Who and what are you referring to GRACIEGIRL.

What exactly do you hate ?

Me being referred to as ROCKFACE....or other names....TAL being taken apart personally by NAME ? References to my wife, maybe ?

What exactly is the problem ?

Or is it the people getting together to attack ONE poster in a planned attack prompted by PMs ?

Which bothers you the most ?

The person on TOPIX was years ago and you enlisted a number of us to go after him.......he was wrong for sure and totally misguided but why are you trying to paint yourself as a righteous person on here ?

By the way this is ROCKYRD, previously BUCCO and RAG123

Some require and search for attention by how they "sign" their post would you not agree.

Yes...I am angry....i am tired of being preached to about issue discussion, starting threads on issues, have them ignored and then being preached to about morals, wholesomeness while advocating the simple opposite.

I am very surprised it is you Bucco. Very surprised.

Are we all getting so nasty we can't tell the difference between us????

Grace Gantner

Originally Posted by Guest

PunditFact is owned by Tampa Bay Times parent organization, The Poynter Institute. Tampa Bay Time is waaaaaaaaaaay over there left.

Even grade schoolers are being taught how to look out for fake news......something you should seriously consider.
5 Ways Teachers Are Fighting Fake News : NPR Ed : NPR

Originally Posted by Guest

I am very surprised it is you Bucco. Very surprised.

Are we all getting so nasty we can't tell the difference between us????

Grace Gantner

Not sure why you are suprised.

I am a conservative and have been for many many years.

I opposed Obama, as you well know and did it BEFORE you did on here.

I opposed Clinton and if you recall I was not very kind to her in the past.

Here is where we split ways FOR SURE. I have never in my mind or my postings simply shut out millions of americans because they do not agree with me. I have never in my mind or my postings criticized anyone because of the color of their skin I have never in my mind or my postings ever been critical of someone trying to fins a better way of life for their family, no matter what country they come from or what religion they practice.

You and Rubicon have become alt right extremists. Where you see anyone who does not agree totally with you as what you call, IN CORRECTLY, progressives and apply that label and then mock them, I see America with varying points of view and hopefully discussion on ISSUES, and not simply the label you attach.

You and Rubicon have decided that the economic problems we have in this country are entirely racial. All white people good and if you have black skin, you are automatically bad and on welfare.
I see people who need the economic assistance IN TRAINING AND JOBS that have been promised in order to move upward and change their situation. Recall, the Italians or Poles or whatever and how poor they were ? They were the criminals, the neer do wells that you attack. Some changed their names to escape being labelled and branded. Skin color cannot be changed. Be tough with this group but understand and offer REAL help. Recall me on the old forum speaking of those in Tampa that I actually spent time with on the streets.....they wanted so bad to be accepted and given a chance, while on another corner, I met those with OCCUPY who were for the most part simply playing the system. Get out ad meet those you condemn.

You both see iimmigration in a different light than I. You want to block anyone and everyone that you have been instructed to fear. Same thing with Italians who were ALL labeled as Mafia, etc. You ignore the very strong vetting procedures we have in place, you ignore the attempts and work put into comprehensive reform before Trump hijacked it and played strictly on your fear. I oppose sanctuary cities myself, but good comprehensive reform, not scare tactics can cure that. You will see that he is going to harm us with his immration dialogue, and end up costing this country money and lives.

You are surprised at me ???

Listen I have read your posts in the past and Rubicon's espousing good moral leadership, good characters in our leaders, and so on. Sounds good but you do not practice it at all....you actually have moved so far right and are now extremists.

I read Rubicon defending Trump, THE MAN...NOT ON ISSUE, BUT HE DEFENDS THE MAN and he deserves nothing but three things.....abject disgust for his life, distrust for his lying, and a chance to see if despite all of this, he can somehow do any good at all.

I have not moved one inch Gracie, thus the surprise is all mine. I am still against labels, and you have changed and find it ok...I discussed with liberals on here in a respectful manner...those who found it necessary to use the forum as a playground..not so much.

I am used to serious discussion when it comes to my country and not a bunch of hateful word games. The Trump supporters on here seem to have adopted his mantra of hate hate hate.

I apologize and am embarassed by the fact that I get dragged into so much of it...really get angry at myself, but what really angers me is hearing you and others say you are conservatives...NO you are not...YOU are extremists.

To blame the media for reporting what is done ON TAPE, OR ON TWITTER OR WHATEVER....to blame them for fake news because you don't like they reported what you actually said or did is simply inexcusable. Are the media always in the right...hell no.....but attacking our first ammendment, the Judicial system, the Intelligence community along with many other patriotic Americans and blaming them for everything is really really a basic low move.

My beliefs have not changed one iota from what they used to be.....strong moral leadership, good stewardship of the budget, transparent government, character in our leaders, etc is ALWAYS been my mantra and will always be. i have not changed one bit from BUCCO OR RAGS123. My dislike for the petty crap remains.....my dislike for hateful posters remains. I can support much of what Trump has said, however not in the hateful manner he says it. I propose that good immigration reform can stand on its own...I propose that jobs will come, actually are here, once we see that training is and always have been the problem.

What do you see in me that has changed ?

My outward and honest professing of my distaste for anything that is so extreme ? Yes, plead guilty....I am now not being quiet. I did not become progressive....I always saw some good there....I did not lose my conservative ideals...YOU DID.

PS....If you wonder why you do not see posts from me criticizing liberal policies it is because since the election our President has attacked almost every single american institution.....Justice system, first ammendment, intelligence community ALL WITH NO MERIT AND IN A SPIRIT OF BEING MEAN SPIRITED. In addition, he has made no effort to being the country together. He has all of you Trumpers even forgetting his shallow promises to join him in attacking anyone and everyone who does not agree with him totally. That has my attention

Originally Posted by Guest

Even grade schoolers are being taught how to look out for fake news......something you should seriously consider.
5 Ways Teachers Are Fighting Fake News : NPR Ed : NPR

It is a problem and in my opinion brought on by lazy folks who only want validation of their own views.

READ....VALIDATE and ignore those sites that are taking advantage of laziness. You can, IF YOU WANT TO, verigy and validate all that is on the news, but you have to WANT TO

Read some of the sites used to substantiate a post, although that in itself is rare, bit when done......they are far, on this forum, and extreme websites and well known for that.

Our President validates this behavior by attacking the legitimate news people and tweeting quoting far right wing extremist groups.

Originally Posted by Guest

so your saying that Sweden is not having problems with criminal activity from its refugee community?

Again we have from Trump hyperbole, not lying and we have from progressive their moral equivalency to justify anything.

Europe has a major refugee problem and the main culprit was Merkle because the European Union is really Germany unification becuse they lead the other EU nations. that is why Britain wanted out

do you believe Sweden leaders would admit they have a problem with refugees after letting so many in. Name a poilitican in the Western hemisphere that has admitted to a mistake

Progressives are in desperate need of scandals and so they keep inventing them. such as the Russian connection. Look at how in a slip of the microphone Obama told the Russian president "after the election I'll have more flexibility" wonder what he meant?

How many progressive senator have mocked Sessions for speaking to the Russian Ambassador only to find that they have too.

Progressives and their mouthpiece MSM and Hollywood laughed at Trump but he got the last laugh and they can't man up because they are all wimps and some plain sicko's. progressive are acting like children and they are hurting us all because they are not representing voters but their party leaders.

Personal Best Regards:

Is this you? sure reminds me of you...BREAKING: Trump Just Ended Obama’s Vacation Scam & Sent Him An "Unbelievable! Bill" !!! 16-Feb-2017 - YouTube

What Trump said in private over a decade ago means nothing to me. Leftards are grasping at anything they can come up with to use in their vengeance, and humiliation. They can't come up with any valid attack, so they continue to harass with spitballs, against a force armed with assault weapons. Such a bunch of losers! But, I will continue to watch them self-destruct all the way to the next election. Then they will lose more seats at the table. Oh well, the RINOs will have to suffice for the liberal side of politics, because the left will definitely destroy themselves in the next two to four years at this rate.

Originally Posted by Guest

Not sure why you are suprised.

I am a conservative and have been for many many years.

I opposed Obama, as you well know and did it BEFORE you did on here.

I opposed Clinton and if you recall I was not very kind to her in the past.

Here is where we split ways FOR SURE. I have never in my mind or my postings simply shut out millions of americans because they do not agree with me. I have never in my mind or my postings criticized anyone because of the color of their skin I have never in my mind or my postings ever been critical of someone trying to fins a better way of life for their family, no matter what country they come from or what religion they practice.

You and Rubicon have become alt right extremists. Where you see anyone who does not agree totally with you as what you call, IN CORRECTLY, progressives and apply that label and then mock them, I see America with varying points of view and hopefully discussion on ISSUES, and not simply the label you attach.

You and Rubicon have decided that the economic problems we have in this country are entirely racial. All white people good and if you have black skin, you are automatically bad and on welfare.
I see people who need the economic assistance IN TRAINING AND JOBS that have been promised in order to move upward and change their situation. Recall, the Italians or Poles or whatever and how poor they were ? They were the criminals, the neer do wells that you attack. Some changed their names to escape being labelled and branded. Skin color cannot be changed. Be tough with this group but understand and offer REAL help. Recall me on the old forum speaking of those in Tampa that I actually spent time with on the streets.....they wanted so bad to be accepted and given a chance, while on another corner, I met those with OCCUPY who were for the most part simply playing the system. Get out ad meet those you condemn.

You both see iimmigration in a different light than I. You want to block anyone and everyone that you have been instructed to fear. Same thing with Italians who were ALL labeled as Mafia, etc. You ignore the very strong vetting procedures we have in place, you ignore the attempts and work put into comprehensive reform before Trump hijacked it and played strictly on your fear. I oppose sanctuary cities myself, but good comprehensive reform, not scare tactics can cure that. You will see that he is going to harm us with his immration dialogue, and end up costing this country money and lives.

You are surprised at me ???

Listen I have read your posts in the past and Rubicon's espousing good moral leadership, good characters in our leaders, and so on. Sounds good but you do not practice it at all....you actually have moved so far right and are now extremists.

I read Rubicon defending Trump, THE MAN...NOT ON ISSUE, BUT HE DEFENDS THE MAN and he deserves nothing but three things.....abject disgust for his life, distrust for his lying, and a chance to see if despite all of this, he can somehow do any good at all.

I have not moved one inch Gracie, thus the surprise is all mine. I am still against labels, and you have changed and find it ok...I discussed with liberals on here in a respectful manner...those who found it necessary to use the forum as a playground..not so much.

I am used to serious discussion when it comes to my country and not a bunch of hateful word games. The Trump supporters on here seem to have adopted his mantra of hate hate hate.

I apologize and am embarassed by the fact that I get dragged into so much of it...really get angry at myself, but what really angers me is hearing you and others say you are conservatives...NO you are not...YOU are extremists.

To blame the media for reporting what is done ON TAPE, OR ON TWITTER OR WHATEVER....to blame them for fake news because you don't like they reported what you actually said or did is simply inexcusable. Are the media always in the right...hell no.....but attacking our first ammendment, the Judicial system, the Intelligence community along with many other patriotic Americans and blaming them for everything is really really a basic low move.

My beliefs have not changed one iota from what they used to be.....strong moral leadership, good stewardship of the budget, transparent government, character in our leaders, etc is ALWAYS been my mantra and will always be. i have not changed one bit from BUCCO OR RAGS123. My dislike for the petty crap remains.....my dislike for hateful posters remains. I can support much of what Trump has said, however not in the hateful manner he says it. I propose that good immigration reform can stand on its own...I propose that jobs will come, actually are here, once we see that training is and always have been the problem.

What do you see in me that has changed ?

My outward and honest professing of my distaste for anything that is so extreme ? Yes, plead guilty....I am now not being quiet. I did not become progressive....I always saw some good there....I did not lose my conservative ideals...YOU DID.

PS....If you wonder why you do not see posts from me criticizing liberal policies it is because since the election our President has attacked almost every single american institution.....Justice system, first ammendment, intelligence community ALL WITH NO MERIT AND IN A SPIRIT OF BEING MEAN SPIRITED. In addition, he has made no effort to being the country together. He has all of you Trumpers even forgetting his shallow promises to join him in attacking anyone and everyone who does not agree with him totally. That has my attention

I guess you told me. I hadn't realized I had morphed to the alt-right. I will have to do some self examination.

I know I am pretty upset with all of the lies, and marching and all of the posturing. I think Donald Trump has serious problems with extemporaneous speeches, and I think he gains nothing much personally by subjecting himself to this onslaught of anger and criticism. Sometimes I cringe at what he says and when he says it, but I do support almost all of his policy.

Bunco, You have always been a bright burner. The rest of us are now pretty much as upset as you have always been. I see no reason to be bothered by me. I am not part of your universe.

I have to go and think about me being alt right.

Kind regards.

Grace Gantner

Originally Posted by Guest

I guess you told me. I hadn't realized I had morphed to the alt-right. I will have to do some self examination.

I know I am pretty upset with all of the lies, and marching and all of the posturing. I think Donald Trump has serious problems with extemporaneous speeches, and I think he gains nothing much personally by subjecting himself to this onslaught of anger and criticism. Sometimes I cringe at what he says and when he says it, but I do support almost all of his policy.

Bunco, You have always been a bright burner. The rest of us are now pretty much as upset as you have always been. I see no reason to be bothered by me. I am not part of your universe.

I have to go and think about me being alt right.

Kind regards.

Grace Gantner

And please explain how this wonderful man finds it so easy to publicly accuse an ex President of personal wiretapping and the running away with not one word.

I might add, that I seriously would love to hear what policies you support ? Wall is not going to be paid by Mexico, and there were many honorable men for a "more secure" border. Clinton is not going to any jail.

That pretty much sums up his campaign.

All the rest, tax reform, better tariffs, job creation by reducing restrictions, etc. we're all on the plate of just about every serious candidate on the Republican side.

Oh, what are we forgetting...immigration and race. Go figure. He will end up with the same policies as previous.

You mentioned about being off the tele prompter. I submit that the only time he is not mean spirited and against most American principles is when he reads others words. Twitter better reflects the man.

As to you moving to alt right, I was shocked when I came back on here and heard the terrible, non factual pure hate being posted. You openly supported that...you openly support the use of fake news and Russian sites. You openly have supported PLAGARISM. You said you did on the forum.

Even though many of those whom you have posted support for feel they know verything, I know not what is in your real heart. I can only go by what you post on here, and what you support.

I just never recall you believing in such hateful positions before. I, as you know was not a fan of Obama, but his presidency has not turned my heart to hate of people because of race or religion; it does not change my hunger for truth, not made up stuff; his presidency did not, in my opinion, allow me liscense for being mean spirited, for attacking people based on nothing. First time I really got sincerely upset with our President was listening him condemning a wR hero FOR BEING CAPTURED, and his personal attack on the Bush family, including the mother. I knew of him from NY but reexamined and found him to be the single most distrustful, mean, lying man you could possibly believe in.

Alt right, I don't know your heart. I suggest, no matter what you call it, you follow their lead and see no value in anyone if they do not agree...that I got from your posts and support of others, so that my reasoning.

Christ...another book to read from Rockface...he sure likes himself, in all his screen names he was just "the best".

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Originally Posted by Guest

Are you the person who said we should not be sprewing hate and untruth's? Repost your sermon that you had on here.

I said Trump was right about Sweden but don't take my word for it read what....

Jimmie Akesson, chairman of Sweden Democrats and Mattias Karlsson, party's group leader in Parliament wrote in WSJ about a week after Trump's pronouncement on Sweden's refugee problems.

" Trump did not exaggerate Sweden's current problems. If anything he understated them. In 2010 we had our first suicide attack.

Sweden took in about 275,000asylum -seekers from 2014-16 more per capita than any other European country.....Islam has become the second largest religion. In Malmo our third largest city Mohamed is the most common name for baby boys.

The effects are palpable, starting with national security. an estimated 300 Swedish citizens with immigrant backgrounds traveled to the Middle East to fight for Islamic State. Many are coming back and being welcomed with open arms by our socialist government.


riots and social unrest have become a part of our everyday life. Police officer, firefighters and ambulance personnel are regularly attacked. Serious riots in 2013 involving many suburbs with large immigrant population lasted for almost a week. Gang violence is booming. Despite strict firearms laws gun violence is five times as common in Sweden, in total as in the capital cities of our three Nordic neighbors combined

The number of sex crimes nearly doubled from 2014-15 according to surveys by the Swedish government body for crime statistics.

One third of Swedish women report they no longer feel secure in their neighborhoods and 12% say they don't feel safe to go out after dark.

There is more to report but don't want to tire progressives out.

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

Christ...another book to read from Rockface...he sure likes himself, in all his screen names he was just "the best".

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I admit to participating in the planned attacks on Topix amid the controversery with Gracie Girl

I admit to this being a third user name and previously explained all three.

I admit to getting caught up into the game on here of attacking and not sticking to issues.

I admit to going after posters with their name and making my posts personal.

Ok ?