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Old 08-05-2015, 10:58 AM
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President Obama and Valarie Jarret are really good at this stuff I must admit...

" President Obama will deliver a crucial speech on the Iran nuclear agreement Wednesday, arguing that the congressional vote that could block the deal is "the most consequential foreign policy debate since the decision to go to war in Iraq," the White House said.

White House aides said Obama would "point out that the same people who supported war in Iraq are opposing diplomacy with Iran, and that it would be an historic mistake to squander this opportunity" to contain Iran's nuclear program.

The framing of that message appears to be a direct appeal to congressional Democrats; while some opposed the Iraq War, others came to regret their votes to authorize it. Obama will need their votes to get the one-thirds vote necessary to sustain a veto."


In speech, Obama to compare Iran deal to Iraq War vote
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Old 08-05-2015, 11:22 AM
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Obama's got that right...'the people that supported the Iraq war are the same ones who are against the Iran deal'. Sort of says it all.
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Old 08-05-2015, 12:22 PM
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My biggest concerns on this and they are big to me.....the secret deals.

"The White House said Tuesday the administration has given Congress all available documents on the Iran nuclear deal, brushing aside renewed calls from Republican lawmakers for text of “secret” side deals between Tehran and the United Nations.

“We believe we’ve produced all the materials Congress needs,” said White House press secretary Josh Earnest. He said the administration has satisfied terms of legislation requiring it to turn over all documents pertaining to the agreement for a 60-day congressional review."


White House rejects new GOP call to disclose 'secret' Iran nuclear agreements - Washington Times

This attitude bothers me no end....and when you read more about what the deal are about.....

"According to the IAEA, those involved with the negotiations, including the Obama administration, agreed to allow Iran to forge the secret side deals with the IAEA on two issues.

The first governs the IAEA’s inspection of the Parchin military complex, the facility long suspected as the site of Iran’s long-range ballistic-missile and nuclear-weapons development. The second addresses what—if anything—Iran will be required to disclose about the past military dimensions of its nuclear program."


Release the Secret Iran Deals - WSJ

Now, it appears that the US has no idea of what these deals encompass, yet we are to trust all of this.

I also have concerns, in the face of these secret deals, about ongoing relations with Iran.

As the President said today.....Iran will continue to fund terrorism in the area. How will the secret agreements and this pact influence any dealings with this country as they fund terrorism and arm with missles. ?
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Old 08-05-2015, 12:39 PM
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How about we discuss the basics of the So called "agreement"?
How could Obama allow Kerry to speak of an agreement when neither of them have any idea what is in the side agreements which the USA are excluded from knowing the contents.

Trust but verify? Political BS.

We do not know the extent of the nuclear agreements...".where we are allowed to look/verify we give them 24 days notice?!?!

How ANYBODY in good conscience think for one minute we could verify anything is along with Barry and Kerry being very dumb or naive or both.

Another let's pass it to see what is in it.

This was not a negotiation. It is a bragging right for Obama.

Would you close on a new home when after the agreement was signed you were advised and here are some side agreements that you the buyer are not allowed to know about.

Of course not.

So how could Obama insist he is on the higher ground of the issue with such unknowns? He isn't and he does not care and obviously nor do we the people.

Concern is understatement!
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Old 08-05-2015, 01:28 PM
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I did listen to Obama today, give his speech(?) about the agreement. I have to admit to only half listening to it, as every other word was whining about how anyone that didn't agree with him wanted a war. He also lied continuously about the details of the agreement, but no one is going to fact check him. I have to say that I have never heard another president so unprofessional and so divisive in his complaining and whining. Even Clinton learned fast, and quit complaining about the Republicans. I certainly hope that this does not set a precedent for future presidential behavior, regardless of party affiliation. As far as I am concerned, if you can't work with your subordinates then you are not a leader. Obama is definitely NOT a leader. He can hold the position, but he is a disgrace.
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Old 08-07-2015, 07:58 PM
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I guess you better not disagree...

"Liberals are livid at Sen. Charles Schumer’s (D-N.Y.) decision to oppose the White House’s nuclear deal with Iran, and have threatened to launch a full-scale war as retribution.

Activists and former top officials within the Obama administration are openly contemplating whether Schumer’s stance disqualifies him from serving as the next Senate Democratic leader — which he is primed to do — and seeking to temporarily cut off money to Democrats in the upper chamber.
It’s unclear whether Schumer’s announcement will have a devastating effect on the White House’s efforts to prevent Democrats from killing the deal when it comes up for a vote in Congress next month.

But it’s clear that he will be Public Enemy No. 1 for liberal activists throughout the August recess, as they aim to rally support from Democrats on the agreement.

Liberal groups including Credo, MoveOn.org and Democracy for America are rallying supporters to flood congressional mailboxes and town halls over the course of the next month to demand lawmakers support the agreement. On Friday, they launched a new website, 60DaysToStopAWar.com, to list upcoming town halls and aid in the push. "


Fury of left falls on Schumer | TheHill
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Old 08-08-2015, 07:36 AM
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A bad deal is NOT better than NO deal.

Obama's ego NEEDS a win in his corner for a historical footnote. He is better suited for television entertainment, and pathetically over his head in the White House.

We need to strengthen sanctions, cut off their money and threaten to crush them if they don't release those hostages. But, Obama is no Reagan and Kerry is an idiot.

I am sure that the Republican replacement for Obama will be smart enough to hire much better advisers. Hopefully, it won't take 8 years to repair the damage that these inept amateurs have caused.
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Old 08-08-2015, 07:38 AM
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And we need to back our best ally in the area, Israel.
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Old 08-08-2015, 07:45 AM
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I guess you better not disagree...

"Liberals are livid at Sen. Charles Schumer’s (D-N.Y.) decision to oppose the White House’s nuclear deal with Iran, and have threatened to launch a full-scale war as retribution.

Activists and former top officials within the Obama administration are openly contemplating whether Schumer’s stance disqualifies him from serving as the next Senate Democratic leader — which he is primed to do — and seeking to temporarily cut off money to Democrats in the upper chamber.
It’s unclear whether Schumer’s announcement will have a devastating effect on the White House’s efforts to prevent Democrats from killing the deal when it comes up for a vote in Congress next month.

But it’s clear that he will be Public Enemy No. 1 for liberal activists throughout the August recess, as they aim to rally support from Democrats on the agreement.

Liberal groups including Credo, MoveOn.org and Democracy for America are rallying supporters to flood congressional mailboxes and town halls over the course of the next month to demand lawmakers support the agreement. On Friday, they launched a new website, 60DaysToStopAWar.com, to list upcoming town halls and aid in the push. "


Fury of left falls on Schumer | TheHill
I am shocked that the Democratic party would allow it to become known that, on such an important vote, lobbyists such as MOVEON are DEMANDING votes.

THAT to me is very shocking as well as disconcerting.
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Old 08-08-2015, 08:00 AM
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Schumer is just posturing. He'll toe the party line when things get serious. He's the typical slimy liberal that will go along. Obama always gets his way, no exceptions. If they don't give him the vote, then he will do something illegal like writing an executive order or just blatantly disregarding congress. He still thinks he is the emperor-in-chief or king of czars.
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Old 08-08-2015, 09:21 AM
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Has any Republican in the Senate or House said that US, and US sanctions alone would have any great effect on Iran to get them back to the negotiation table? We should talk to our allies to have them join us. Which P5 plus one allies would these be?

Since President Obama and his staff are total fools, who in the Republican party is going to do this? When Reagan took office, our enemies thought he was out of his mind, and would do anything? What current Republican can fit the insanity mold?

If President Obama is a whiner, he has plenty of company on the Republican side to include their supporters. It appears that is what they do best, and the only thing that they do.

President Obama is great for television entertainment. Who is leading the Republicans candidates for president? The answer is a for real television entertainer.
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Old 08-08-2015, 09:34 AM
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Has any Republican in the Senate or House said that US, and US sanctions alone would have any great effect on Iran to get them back to the negotiation table? We should talk to our allies to have them join us. Which P5 plus one allies would these be?

Since President Obama and his staff are total fools, who in the Republican party is going to do this? When Reagan took office, our enemies thought he was out of his mind, and would do anything? What current Republican can fit the insanity mold?

If President Obama is a whiner, he has plenty of company on the Republican side to include their supporters. It appears that is what they do best, and the only thing that they do.

President Obama is great for television entertainment. Who is leading the Republicans candidates for president? The answer is a for real television entertainer.
Not sure why the party designation. BOTH parties have great concern about this deal obviously.

I realize the President has drawn party lines but even on the left are great great concerns. Basically because as he talks behind him we can see Iran positioning already.

I do not see this as a Party issue at all. HOWEVER we will see many who will make it such which is our problem,

I know you see everything through the prism of what party.....I find that a bit distasteful because I know from experience and history that no one party has all the answers. You feel differently and that is your right, but seeing this through that tweets and press releases of the left is a bad thing.

To have activist groups like MOVEON even involved in this scares me. I can see how you might be ok with that as the PARTY is your guiding light.

By your post, are YOU saying that the secret deals are fine with you, even though our President does not know what is in them ? By your post, are YOU saying you are comfortable with the leading military leader violating the UN and traveling to Russia ? By your post, are YOU comfortable knowing that IRAN WILL get the bomb..just a matter of when ? By your post, do you disregard Saudi and others who fear this is the beginning of a huge arms race ? By your post, with all the terrorism in the ME, do you feel that allowing Iran to sponsor it and give them more resources to do that is ok ?

I would really like to hear your take on the ISSUES above instead of mouthing what you are being fed by left wing websites. It is not partisan this topic.
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Old 08-08-2015, 09:52 AM
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I think a simple fact that separates those of us who are trully conerned and need to know from those who blindly follow what ever direction is established and of course the politicians in Washington that only have re-election and quid quo pro accomplishment in mind.

Many of us who earned their living by negotiating contracts and agreements and purchases and sales of muli millions of property and equipment.....add to that list the common sense of a majority of Americans......we all collectively cannot accept that it is OK to ignore or not know or not care what is in the side
agreements.

And it becomes especially note worthy and should raise all kinds of concerns and suspicions when America is excluded from knowing what is in the side agreements and shall not be involved in the agreed inspections.

With the concerns expressed above I would like to hear from ANY supporters of the Iran agreement why it is OK with them to not know what is in those agreements?
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Old 08-08-2015, 11:59 AM
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The whole agreement is crap! Why should we care about the side deals? All these deals are negotiated from a position of weakness. You can't negotiate with barbarians. They only think we are weak and laugh as they get their way.

I don't like Trump, but it is obvious that we need someone radical to snap us out of weak complacency. Perhaps it's time to hire the gunslinger to clean up the town.
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Old 08-08-2015, 06:19 PM
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Sen Schumer deserves quite a bit of credit.

He put our country ahead of POLITICS.

Up until I saw the POLITICAL ACTIVIST groups being used to lobby and pressure senators on the left and heard the President, I thought or was naive enough to think that each was seriously considering this deal.

IF you have political activists groups lobbying on something that they know nothing about....they just know how to twist arms.....then what do you think is the top priority here ? A good deal for America or Political gain ?

Then hearing all the remarks aimed at Sen Schumer, I begin to wonder out loud if this President even understands what he is doing.

This is not a baseball game.....not some parlor game...and he is treating it as a little political exercise.
 

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