For all of you who are so hung up on the President's use of a teleprompter, go ahead and invent a bunch of dumb things he said for the last 50 minutes without one....



Ok, let's assume you can't really think of anything he said that was dumb. Now will you please stop perpetuating the disrespectful, empty personal attacks.



(can't wait to see the answers to this post!)

Obama rambles on for nearly an hour and we are supposed to do what? Congratulate him because he didn't use a teleprompter?

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

For all of you who are so hung up on the President's use of a teleprompter, go ahead and invent a bunch of dumb things he said for the last 50 minutes without one....



Ok, let's assume you can't really think of anything he said that was dumb. Now will you please stop perpetuating the disrespectful, empty personal attacks.



(can't wait to see the answers to this post!)

You are kidding, right ?

You want applause for the President of the United States because he had no teleprompter ? WOW

Why not come on and tell us what he said that you believe in, instead of something like this ?

The guy talked for an hour and said nothing. And I thought Clinton was a blowhard. Two gabby peas in a pod...

I was not inspired! At least until the media tells me I was.

Originally Posted by Keedy

The guy talked for an hour and said nothing. And I thought Clinton was a blowhard. Two gabby peas in a pod...

Most politicians do that Keedy !!

I just wish that someone who supports President Obama would come on here and tell everyone what they support, instead of periodically dropping a note here saying not to pan the President.

defense of how he says what he say. But we never, EVER, hear from his supporters how they feel about his proposals. We know it is not from being timid about providing commentary.

As I have said in other posts, the absence of much if any support commentary fore his proposals is not limited to just this forum.

The few who are regular participants, who support some of what Obama promotes and stands for do it very well and they seem to be able o hold their own. But they are in the minority. Very unlike the the Blue oval flag wavers during the campaign.

What Obama is getting now is a dose of reality. He can say (which he does more often than most POTUS) I am the President....and learning (too slowly) that does not make him omnipotent....just an elected person like all his predecessors.

btk

I will give him this....he spoke eloquently for 50 minutes without saying anything. His only fumble was with the question that was off the predetermined script when a reporter hijacked another reporters scripted slot with a question that wasn't supposed to be asked. That question was "Will you and Congress give up your current health plan and go with the one you are pushing" . He babbled about being the President and having a doctor at his side constantly. Never answered the question. We all know they will be exempted from having to take "the plan".

Originally Posted by cabo35

I will give him this....he spoke eloquently for 50 minutes without saying anything. His only fumble was with the question that was off the predetermined script when a reporter hijacked another reporters scripted slot with a question that wasn't supposed to be asked. That question was "Will you and Congress give up your current health plan and go with the one you are pushing" . He babbled about being the President and having a doctor at his side constantly. Never answered the question. We all know they will be exempted from having to take "the plan".

Since you are the first respondent who has chose to try to answer the question rather than just attack me, I'll reply to you. The thing I've been most curious about in the new health insurance plan has been whether it would apply to the members of Congress. Did you not hear the sentence immediately following "he babbled about being President and having a doctor at his side constantly" ?
He then said that the members of Congress would have the same plan, an exchange from which to pick their health care. Of course the gov't will continue to pay for it all, unlike us regular folks who will have out of pocket costs. But the question WAS answered. And to me it is more than symbolic that the intent of the President's plan is to include EVERYONE.
Also, how can you dismiss the comments with "without saying anything". Did you not hear the three main points of his proposal: no increase in the deficit, 2/3 of the costs from reallocation of current tax dollars, 1/3 of the cost from eliminating some tax deductions currently available to those with annual incomes over $1M?
You might have figured out by now that I support this plan. I do, because I cannot think of any solution more fair, and I believe we must have a solution. So go ahead and call me a socialist, communist or anything else you like. But instead of the name calling and personal venom like that spewed by the posters above, you should admit that a plan has been proposed to Congress by the administration, with a strong Obama handprint on it and a cattle prod in his other hand to get it done. And you should admit that the outline of that plan was explained last night.
After you do that, then we can, with civility, debate the philosophical points as to whether we need any plan and how you would pay for it.

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

Since you are the first respondent who has chose to try to answer the question rather than just attack me, I'll reply to you. The thing I've been most curious about in the new health insurance plan has been whether it would apply to the members of Congress. Did you not hear the sentence immediately following "he babbled about being President and having a doctor at his side constantly" ?
He then said that the members of Congress would have the same plan, an exchange from which to pick their health care. Of course the gov't will continue to pay for it all, unlike us regular folks who will have out of pocket costs. But the question WAS answered. And to me it is more than symbolic that the intent of the President's plan is to include EVERYONE.
Also, how can you dismiss the comments with "without saying anything". Did you not hear the three main points of his proposal: no increase in the deficit, 2/3 of the costs from reallocation of current tax dollars, 1/3 of the cost from eliminating some tax deductions currently available to those with annual incomes over $1M?
You might have figured out by now that I support this plan. I do, because I cannot think of any solution more fair, and I believe we must have a solution. So go ahead and call me a socialist, communist or anything else you like. But instead of the name calling and personal venom like that spewed by the posters above, you should admit that a plan has been proposed to Congress by the administration, with a strong Obama handprint on it and a cattle prod in his other hand to get it done. And you should admit that the outline of that plan was explained last night.
After you do that, then we can, with civility, debate the philosophical points as to whether we need any plan and how you would pay for it.

I for one will not debate you on anything you said as you feel anyone who is opposed to President Obama's agenda is a bad person !

I will however defend my fellow posters including those I may disagree with. Their has been much debate on here on the "philosophical" points done with great civility and by very very informed people. Your criticism of them is unwarranted and unfair,

Do not think people are below you because they dont agree with you.

PS: What exactly was your QUESTION in your original post ??? The one nobody answered !

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

For all of you who are so hung up on the President's use of a teleprompter, go ahead and invent a bunch of dumb things he said for the last 50 minutes without one....



Ok, let's assume you can't really think of anything he said that was dumb. Now will you please stop perpetuating the disrespectful, empty personal attacks.



(can't wait to see the answers to this post!)

And the question is? Since there are at least two active threads on health care, or lack of it, am I to assume that this thread is about posting protocols?

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

Since you are the first respondent who has chose to try to answer the question rather than just attack me, I'll reply to you. The thing I've been most curious about in the new health insurance plan has been whether it would apply to the members of Congress. Did you not hear the sentence immediately following "he babbled about being President and having a doctor at his side constantly" ?
He then said that the members of Congress would have the same plan, an exchange from which to pick their health care. Of course the gov't will continue to pay for it all, unlike us regular folks who will have out of pocket costs. But the question WAS answered. And to me it is more than symbolic that the intent of the President's plan is to include EVERYONE.
Also, how can you dismiss the comments with "without saying anything". Did you not hear the three main points of his proposal: no increase in the deficit, 2/3 of the costs from reallocation of current tax dollars, 1/3 of the cost from eliminating some tax deductions currently available to those with annual incomes over $1M?
{{{{You might have figured out by now that I support this plan.}}} I do, because I cannot think of any solution more fair, and I believe we must have a solution. So go ahead and call me a socialist, communist or anything else you like. But instead of the name calling and personal venom like that spewed by the posters above, you should admit that a plan has been proposed to Congress by the administration, with a strong Obama handprint on it and a cattle prod in his other hand to get it done. And you should admit that the outline of that plan was explained last night.
After you do that, then we can, with civility, debate the philosophical points as to whether we need any plan and how you would pay for it.

What plan do you support? I have not yet heard or seen a "plan". I watced The President for 90 minutes and looked at my wife and said, "now do YOU know how this will work?" No wonder people are suspicious and distrustful. There are so few, if any, specifics about his "plan" that anyone would be foolish to buy into something as large and important as this without some idea as to how it will operate. Thus, the deadline is dead. So far, that seems to be the only thing certain about health care reform.

Originally Posted by Bucco

I for one will not debate you on anything you said as you feel anyone who is opposed to President Obama's agenda is a bad person !

I will however defend my fellow posters including those I may disagree with. Their has been much debate on here on the "philosophical" points done with great civility and by very very informed people. Your criticism of them is unwarranted and unfair,

Do not think people are below you because they dont agree with you.

PS: What exactly was your QUESTION in your original post ??? The one nobody answered !

Please relax. I'm guessing your reply is so far off the mark because you are angry. That's what I have a problem with. How in the world can you conclude that I think folks who oppose Obama's plan are bad people? I don't think anyone is a bad person. I just don't like the name calling and angry comments some people make instead of responding with civility. Some time ago you called yourself a member of the "loyal opposition" in a post about the current administration. I responded the same way I am now: It's fine to be an opponent, but would you just stick to responding to the comments posed or questions asked without an angry tone and without name calling or personal attacks.

You can read my original post and how I asked if folks could stop ridiculing the President for using a teleprompter because he did a pretty good job of explaining his health insurance proposal off-the-cuff last night.
I must confess, my last comment was rather a tease, because I suspected none of those who have been ridiculing the President for such a frivolous reason as using a teleprompter would back down and respond to my post directly with something like: "Yeh, I guess he showed he could speak coherently without the teleprompter." cabo's first sentence above was a start but I heard things differently than he did after that.

Again, I respect and admire the intelligence and passion of many of the posters in the political forum, the majority of whom seem to disagree with me. I've learned some things from them. And I'd spend more time reading and writing here if it weren't for the way some posters express themselves.

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

Please relax. I'm guessing your reply is so far off the mark because you are angry. That's what I have a problem with. How in the world can you conclude that I think folks who oppose Obama's plan are bad people? I don't think anyone is a bad person. I just don't like the name calling and angry comments some people make instead of responding with civility. Some time ago you called yourself a member of the "loyal opposition" in a post about the current administration. I responded the same way I am now: It's fine to be an opponent, but would you just stick to responding to the comments posed or questions asked without an angry tone and without name calling or personal attacks.

You can read my original post and how I asked if folks could stop ridiculing the President for using a teleprompter because he did a pretty good job of explaining his health insurance proposal off-the-cuff last night.
I must confess, my last comment was rather a tease, because I suspected none of those who have been ridiculing the President for such a frivolous reason as using a teleprompter would back down and respond to my post directly with something like: "Yeh, I guess he showed he could speak coherently without the teleprompter." cabo's first sentence above was a start but I heard things differently than he did after that.

Again, I respect and admire the intelligence and passion of many of the posters in the political forum, the majority of whom seem to disagree with me. I've learned some things from them. And I'd spend more time reading and writing here if it weren't for the way some posters express themselves.

Speaking only for myself, I think you are witnessing some battle weary people who have consistently questioned Obama's policies during the election, only to be ridiculed and be subjected to the Bush Bashing that was gleefully practiced around here and everywhere. The hypocrisy that is being displayed here and all over the internet, is exasperating. All of a sudden it is not hip to criticize the sitting president. Where was I when the protocol committee made this decision?
Also, it boils my blood when I see a charismatic speaker leading his sheeple by words that when dissected, do not really say anything about a system that is going to affect over 300 million people. When all I hear is "He talks nice" or " I trust him" or "He talks better then Bush" I worry...I worry alot!!!!

I would still like him to comment on whether Congress should be given the same health care package that he is pushing. What gives Congress the right to pass a package far superior to the ones the public has to accept.

Legally, Congress has that ability to pass anything they want. Ethically, I believe it is an abuse of power.

Obama sidestepped that question quite effectively. Politicians learn that tactic early on in their career.