Originally Posted by Yoda

I never thought that this administration is idiots but I suspect that some may be domestic enemies ot the United Stated constitution.

Yoda

Isn't that just a bit dramatic! Domestic enemies of the Constitution. Fear, violence, hatred, fear, death panels, brain-washing, spying on us, fear, socialists, fascists, radicals, racists, fear, tea-*******, birthers, fear...

The common thread in all the right-wing rhetoric is FEAR! Yes, 9/11 shook us all to the core and all of this talk of FEAR is exactly what they (the real enemy) wanted. THEY (Al-Qaeda) changed the rules of the game -- and you're playing by them! And in case you don't think I have a dog in this fight, my step-son was in the third tower of the World Trade Center that collapsed. Thank God, everyone was evacuated by that time.

President Obama didn't sneak in the backdoor of the White House. He was voted in by the majority! The majority of Americans do not fear him or his administration. Do we have the right to critique, be watchful, ask questions??? Of course we do! But, these ridiculous smear fear campaigns fueled by the likes of Beck, Limbaugh and Fox Noise is beyond comprehension.

We are not the only game in town... and guess what....right now, we are not the best game in town! But I know we can be! I will support my President, my country, and our fighting forces with every fiber of my being.

Don't play into the real enemy's hands. Try taking the word fear out of your vocabulary and replacing it with support. Show a united front. The world is watching.

Originally Posted by Yoda

I never thought that this administration is idiots but I suspect that some may be domestic enemies ot the United Stated constitution.

Yoda

You may suspect that some are but we know that the former Administration, in fact, assulted the constitution.

Domestic spying under FISA....wiring tap calls at the branch.

Originally Posted by cologal

You may suspect that some are but we know that the former Administration, in fact, assulted the constitution.

Domestic spying under FISA....wiring tap calls at the branch.

I dont understand how it always gets back to the Bush administration but it does...just a note...Sen Obama supported and voted fro FISA, and is continuning most of the repugnent Bush policies in this area !

Originally Posted by chelsea24

Isn't that just a bit dramatic! Domestic enemies of the Constitution. Fear, violence, hatred, fear, death panels, brain-washing, spying on us, fear, socialists, fascists, radicals, racists, fear, tea-*******, birthers, fear...

The common thread in all the right-wing rhetoric is FEAR! Yes, 9/11 shook us all to the core and all of this talk of FEAR is exactly what they (the real enemy) wanted. THEY (Al-Qaeda) changed the rules of the game -- and you're playing by them! And in case you don't think I have a dog in this fight, my step-son was in the third tower of the World Trade Center that collapsed. Thank God, everyone was evacuated by that time.

President Obama didn't sneak in the backdoor of the White House. He was voted in by the majority! The majority of Americans do not fear him or his administration. Do we have the right to critique, be watchful, ask questions??? Of course we do! But, these ridiculous smear fear campaigns fueled by the likes of Beck, Limbaugh and Fox Noise is beyond comprehension.

We are not the only game in town... and guess what....right now, we are not the best game in town! But I know we can be! I will support my President, my country, and our fighting forces with every fiber of my being.

Don't play into the real enemy's hands. Try taking the word fear out of your vocabulary and replacing it with support. Show a united front. The world is watching.

I wont even comment on your continuing worry and angst over what the rest of the world thinks...will just say that I dont care what they think of this country...they are surely not my model for what I want to be !!!

I might add that despite your protestations about our country, I still consider us the best....not sure who you think is the best game in town !! I would assume your feeling that this country is not the best is fueled by our current administration !

You keep mentioning fear which is the common chant among Democrats....we should not live in fear and that the right is selling fear. I cannot disagree more.....fear is surely part of it...fear is a natural reaction,,if you read you will find that it is a natural human reaction to events, NOT as you suggest an unnatural feeling.

NOW...living IN fear is different, and nobody that I have ever heard of or listened to or read even suggests that although folks like you will always make that case.

What I feel and read and know is that if you know someone want to hurt you (in this case KILL), and they have already been successful and they spend their entire life on one thing....KILLING YOU. Well, it seems to me that you should be at least AWARE of that and allow that to enter into your thinking, instead of reckless abandon like a teenager who feels untouchable. That would be foolish !

Originally Posted by Bucco

I don't understand how it always gets back to the Bush administration but it does...just a note...Sen Obama supported and voted fro FISA, and is continuning most of the repugnent Bush policies in this area !

Bucco.....it gets back to the Bush Administration when someone says the Obama is assaulting the constitution. But you all won't look at that...thats in the past.

You are on Medicare and don't want it touched.....that is good. You like your Medicare the single payer healthcare program. This is simple...all we have to do is extend Medicare to everyone and things will be fixed.

in less than ten years to everybody and that will fix it?
How can we add more to the Medicare roles and have that be the solution when it is on it's way to the tank?

Without health care reform Medicare is headed for a bail out. Grow the ranks and the bail out comes sooner. The alternatives are reduced coverage...increased costs whether by taxation or health care premiums rising.

If you are contemplating the government going after the waste and fraud in the current Medicare to fund ANYTHING....look at history....it will not happen.

Less coverage and increased cost to all currently on Medicare....guaranteed on the way to your mail box as the politicians lull y'all to sleep with the usual BS!!!!

btk

Originally Posted by billethkid

in less than ten years to everybody and that will fix it?
How can we add more to the Medicare roles and have that be the solution when it is on it's way to the tank?

Without health care reform Medicare is headed for a bail out. Grow the ranks and the bail out comes sooner. The alternatives are reduced coverage...increased costs whether by taxation or health care premiums rising.

If you are contemplating the government going after the waste and fraud in the current Medicare to fund ANYTHING....look at history....it will not happen.

Less coverage and increased cost to all currently on Medicare....guaranteed on the way to your mail box as the politicians lull y'all to sleep with the usual BS!!!!

btk

So let me understand your position is:

Keep your hands off my Medicare....but be sure to fix it before it tanks. And the rest of us can just fend for ourselves until our retirement age which keeps going up.

Sound fair to me.

Originally Posted by cologal

So let me understand your position is:

Keep your hands off my Medicare....but be sure to fix it before it tanks. And the rest of us can just fend for ourselves until our retirement age which keeps going up.

Sound fair to me.

WOW....Cologal...you sure put a lot of words in BTK's mouth that I sure didnt read !

My point is....was....has been....the system is not viable as it exists currently....the system may be what ever one cares to define it as based on their own experience.
Medicare, which works very well for most people is forecast to be insolvent in less than 10 years.
The current reform run away train is frought with cost increases....tax increases....diluted services....etc.....etc.

All of my posts on this subject have been about the complete disaster that is already in place and the new one being proposed....the cost and the subsequent impact on all it touches....the impact is party insensitive!!!!

Your interpretation of what I said is distorted and completely incorrect. However you conjured up your conclusion you are just simply wrong. I hate having to explain myself but I will not let anybody restate what I post to suit their own agenda or for what ever reason.

btk

Originally Posted by billethkid

My point is....was....has been....the system is not viable as it exists currently....the system may be what ever one cares to define it as based on their own experience.
Medicare, which works very well for most people is forecast to be insolvent in less than 10 years.
The current reform run away train is fraught with cost increases....tax increases....diluted services....etc.....etc.

All of my posts on this subject have been about the complete disaster that is already in place and the new one being proposed....the cost and the subsequent impact on all it touches....the impact is party insensitive!!!!

Your interpretation of what I said is distorted and completely incorrect. However you conjured up your conclusion you are just simply wrong. I hate having to explain myself but I will not let anybody restate what I post to suit their own agenda or for what ever reason.

btk

Assuming you are on Medicare...so you are ready to turn in your Medicare card because the system doesn't work.

Healthcare in the private sector is also in trouble. 52% of all bankruptcy's are medical cost related. Medical coverage is lost if you lose your job. Pre-existing conditions are NOT covered so in many cases one cannot get healthcare coverage. If you happen to get coverage the company can cancel the policy when you need it, like you get cancer. They often pour over you application trying find a mistake in your application to rescind the policy. Many policies have lifetime caps....those don't hold up if you have a major illness or trauma.

So we have a problem....how would you fix it. Leaving it the way it is ....is not an option.

You are entitled to your opinion, but please TRY to refrain from restating what others are posting in your own words to suit what ever purpose. And I am not going to go into explanation mode again to provide more fodder for mis-interpretation/misunderstanding.

btk

Originally Posted by dklassen

When you get to the point where you have more people in the cart than are pulling the cart no longer have America. We are very close.

Obama wants everyone in the cart with government pulling.

Chles is correct on one thing. They are no idiots. Obama's plan from the very beginning was do decimate the private sector and replace it with government.

What they are doing, they are doing on purpose. That's why we continue to loose millions of jobs and he does nothing. The ONLY way to create jobs is to incentivise business. Obama is doing the exact opposite.

Well said. I like the phrase that everybody will have to pay for Obamacare.
Unless one is low income and the Gov ( oops I meant Me ) will pay .

CBO says as much as $4000 per year more for a family. I can't afford it, can you?

He said the goal was to lower cost... again he lied. Nothing he's doing or ever will do will lower any cost cost for anyone. He is trying to drive the population at large so far under you have no choice but to turn to the government.

Add in his income tax increases, increased and forced health care premiums, cap-n-tax, probably a VAT among other things and you have a middle class that will fold under the pressure. All going according to plan.

Originally Posted by dklassen

CBO says as much as $4000 per year more for a family. I can't afford it, can you?

He said the goal was to lower cost... again he lied. Nothing he's doing or ever will do will lower any cost cost for anyone. He is trying to drive the population at large so far under you have no choice but to turn to the government.

Add in his income tax increases, increased and forced health care premiums, cap-n-tax, probably a VAT among other things and you have a middle class that will fold under the pressure. All going according to plan.

dklassen, you are succinctly on the mark. They are not idiots as someone pointed out. The White House and Washington are infested with capitalist and American exceptionalism hating radicals who only want to increase government's power and their own, at the expense of liberty and freedom. The destabilizing of our economy through wealth and health redistribution is the backbone of the plan.

of us your views regarding the prospect of substantial increases in taxes and costs for health care?

The question is: what are your views regarding the prospect of substantial increases in taxes and costs for health care?

btk