I just do not understand why so many people (on TOTV and all over the web) are referring to Obama as a messiah...or the messiah. Personally I think it is sacreligious as I consider myself a christian. This is my opinion.

I understand that we are ready for change....and that both parties are promising change. But honestly this is too much!

Farakhan(not that I listen to him much) has so much as called him this....Chris Mathews has referred to it being "The New Testament"....

I know there are many others....

I am a democrat and I believe in Obama...more than McCain...with all Obama's flaws...he is still my choice....however I do not see him as The Messiah....

as a christian I believe we have already had that...and there is only one.....

as a voter....I just have hope that things will change with Obama in office....I do not see him as a Miracle worker....a savior....just a passionate man who wants the best for his country and works hard to do it....same as McCain.....just going about it differently....

Can anyone explain why it is necessary to use this reference?

I know this will get heated....but it is something that needed to be brought up....

Good luck getting that answer. i am with you on that.

I wonder if in part it comes from some jealousy at his garnering large turnouts at his appearances, in the neighborhood of 100,000 or more, while McCain was lucky to get maybe 2,000. That's when they started with the Obamania slogan, and maybe it metamorphosed into "The Messiah", of course meant in an insulting way.

Could be, i noticed at his(McCain) speech yesterday, they had a big crowd. then they said that they had brougth a entire school over there. was almost all school kids..

turn out does not a messiah make.
I find it alarming to find his name and the word messiah in the same sentence.
Do your home work and see what and who past messiahs were.

Barrack Hussiegn Obama a messiah

If BS was music this would be a brass band....

BTK

Originally Posted by Guest

turn out does not a messiah make.
I find it alarming to find his name and the word messiah in the same sentence.
Do your home work and see what and who past messiahs were.

Barrack Hussiegn Obama a messiah

If BS was music this would be a brass band....

BTK

BTK....I think that we are all in agreement that Senator Obama should not be referred to as the Messiah....that was the point of this thread. I don't think anyone on here is "trying to kid themselves" at all. We do not like the term in reference to anyone. Perhaps my original post was not clear enough or confusing...so if that is the case I apologize.

The term is not appropriate any way it is used. This is probably the one
area that we agree upon. Please re-read my post and see that we, even as supporters of Obama, do not like the term....and I would imagine that Senator Obama does not either.

Originally Posted by Guest

turn out does not a messiah make.
I find it alarming to find his name and the word messiah in the same sentence.
Do your home work and see what and who past messiahs were.

Barrack Hussiegn Obama a messiah

If BS was music this would be a brass band....

BTK

Yes, we are in agreement. I personally wouldn't call anyone a messiah.

I also agree BTK, except that the reference was meant sarcastically and I don't think it is particularly funny.

Cassie....your post was very clear....and I also agree with you.

From Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan...

"Addressing a large crowd behind a podium Feb. 24 with a Nation of Islam Saviour's Day 2008 sign, Farrakhan proclaims,

"You are the instruments that God is going to use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn't care anything about. That's a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking."


From Sen Obama himself

""... a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama" - Barack Obama Lebanon, New Hampshire.
January 7, 2008.

From Sen Obama

We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek."
- Obama, Super Tuesday
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The rest of them just go on and on...POINT IS HIS FOLLOWERS FEEL THIS WAY....I cannot see this as being something bad or sarcastic about him. I cannot even say his full name without ridicule and racist comments being thrown at me, yet we can ridicule Sen McCain as McBush or whatever the word of the day is or ridicule his wife and other associated things. Sen Obama does not answer questions about his not keeping his word on campaign financing...he changes his tune on military depending on whom he is speaking to and get away with it.

Sorry, if you feel I am being unfair by calling him what his followers call him I will stand guilty as charged. I do not consider him a messiah...I DO question his lies and you can defend him all you want and critque me all you want but these are not comments I have made up. There is even a MESSIAHOBAMA website set up and THEY TAKE DONATIONS by the way !!!!

Am I bitter....you bet. Not because of the political party...Not because I am a big fan of Sen McCain....simply because ANYTHING BAD ABOUT THIS Sen Obama is considered racism or hate..he needs to answer to nobody !
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"This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."

-- Barack Obama


"This is bigger than Kennedy. . . . This is the New Testament." | "I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often. No, seriously. It's a dramatic event."

-- Chris Matthews




“I would characterize the Senate race as being a race where Obama was, let’s say, blessed and highly favored. That’s not routine. There’s something else going on. I think that Obama, his election to the Senate, was divinely ordered. . . . I know that that was God’s plan."

-- Bill Rush

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Everything I have posted is FACT.....this is OPINION...

I think he believes all stuff !

Sorry if anyone thinks this is inappropriate as is speaking his full name. Tell me what is appropriate about criticizing this MAN !!!!!!

Originally Posted by Helene2008

Cassie....your post was very clear....and I also agree with you.

I thought I was...thank you!!

Can anyone explain why it is necessary to use this reference?
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Sorry I posted a lot of stuff but on the assumption that your question was aimed at me.......

To your question....
It is not necessary...it began and has been fostered by the Sen Obama camp....THAT is the origin...THAT is where it started and thrives and perhaps you should question them on why they continue the usage of it. As I said in my original response there is even a website which takes MONEY !

Bucco...thank you for that post. It is much appreciated...and I can see where you might be upset. I just "hear" these things differently I guess....I hear people extremely excited about a young man, with clear ideas for our country, who loves our country, who brings out the best in people....giving them hope about our future! This is what the country needs right now. We need to be renewed....to be given that ray of light through the dark tunnel....to be given hope that this war may be over soon....this senseless war! I hear people crying out to God for help during this hopeless time....many people do feel that Obama is touched by God....there are many people in this world that are. I don't know what I believe....but if that thought gives them hope....gives them the will to get up and get moving....gives them hope that life will be good once more....then by all means....let them believe what ever they want!!


I do think that people get upset when someone says Barack Husein Obama. It is just someone (in my opinion) trying to put some sort of muslim slant on him. The truth is some people may be scared about his name....after 9/11 I can understand that. However, some of us understand that he had a muslim father, who gave him a muslim name. It is his name. Why would you bother stating his middle name if you weren't trying to "scare" people with his muslim affliation?

We don't go around talking about John ____ McCain....in fact I don't even know his middle name....as it should not be important.


I think that all too often (and I am just as guilty) we bring in the details that really should not matter...like his middle name....like his religious beliefs....like the things we have said about Palin's family....I know I have been just as guilty.

The bottom line is that I think some of the quotes you gave may have been taken out of context...or misrepresented. This is MY opinion. You have yours. This is what our world is made of. God love you Bucco for being so passionate about your beliefs....I love to hear what you say....because it really makes me think about why I usually disagree....and I hope I do the same for you.

I would imagine you would find some folks in the Red states that truly believe that God is on their side....McCain's side....and that side alone. If that is what makes someone passionate about their government....well then God Bless the USA.....(no offense to those who don't believe JMO)

No matter who wins....we had all better pray....send good thoughts....meditate....whatever....that our country survives and starts thriving again!!

Originally Posted by Cassie325

Bucco...thank you for that post. It is much appreciated...and I can see where you might be upset. I just "hear" these things differently I guess....I hear people extremely excited about a young man, with clear ideas for our country, who loves our country, who brings out the best in people....giving them hope about our future! This is what the country needs right now. We need to be renewed....to be given that ray of light through the dark tunnel....to be given hope that this war may be over soon....this senseless war! I hear people crying out to God for help during this hopeless time....many people do feel that Obama is touched by God....there are many people in this world that are. I don't know what I believe....but if that thought gives them hope....gives them the will to get up and get moving....gives them hope that life will be good once more....then by all means....let them believe what ever they want!!


I do think that people get upset when someone says Barack Husein Obama. It is just someone (in my opinion) trying to put some sort of muslim slant on him. The truth is some people may be scared about his name....after 9/11 I can understand that. However, some of us understand that he had a muslim father, who gave him a muslim name. It is his name. Why would you bother stating his middle name if you weren't trying to "scare" people with his muslim affliation?

We don't go around talking about John ____ McCain....in fact I don't even know his middle name....as it should not be important.


I think that all too often (and I am just as guilty) we bring in the details that really should not matter...like his middle name....like his religious beliefs....like the things we have said about Palin's family....I know I have been just as guilty.

The bottom line is that I think some of the quotes you gave may have been taken out of context...or misrepresented. This is MY opinion. You have yours. This is what our world is made of. God love you Bucco for being so passionate about your beliefs....I love to hear what you say....because it really makes me think about why I usually disagree....and I hope I do the same for you.

I would imagine you would find some folks in the Red states that truly believe that God is on their side....McCain's side....and that side alone. If that is what makes someone passionate about their government....well then God Bless the USA.....(no offense to those who don't believe JMO)

No matter who wins....we had all better pray....send good thoughts....meditate....whatever....that our country survives and starts
thriving again!!

I am only going to say one thing or maybe two in response. I know I am known on here as the crazy guy who overreacts.

Well, I read Sal Alinsky in detail....I read BOTH of Sen Obama's book and thousands of articles on him BEFORE he was a candidate in my effort to try and support him actually.

My conclusion is that he is following Sal Alinsky to the ultimate degree and it is working because NOBODY CARES ABOUT WHO THIS GUY IS..only about the silver words that flow out of his mouth.

Cassie...I pray I am wrong....I am daggone sure I am not, but I still hope I am wrong and after election day my criticism of him will cease if he is elected..he will be my President as well as yours and I respect that, but I will be back to call attention to what he is doing.

I am sorry for offending people.....Sen Obama is not a messiah..he should rebuke those who say it and have them take down a website that promotes it and takes money for his campaign.

Ok/./...had enough of me....obviously I am in the minority on this and as I said..hope I am wrong !

Originally Posted by Bucco

From Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan...

"Addressing a large crowd behind a podium Feb. 24 with a Nation of Islam Saviour's Day 2008 sign, Farrakhan proclaims,

"You are the instruments that God is going to use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn't care anything about. That's a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking."


From Sen Obama himself

""... a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama" - Barack Obama Lebanon, New Hampshire.
January 7, 2008.

From Sen Obama

We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek."
- Obama, Super Tuesday
__________________________________________________ _______________


The rest of them just go on and on...POINT IS HIS FOLLOWERS FEEL THIS WAY....I cannot see this as being something bad or sarcastic about him. I cannot even say his full name without ridicule and racist comments being thrown at me, yet we can ridicule Sen McCain as McBush or whatever the word of the day is or ridicule his wife and other associated things. Sen Obama does not answer questions about his not keeping his word on campaign financing...he changes his tune on military depending on whom he is speaking to and get away with it.

Sorry, if you feel I am being unfair by calling him what his followers call him I will stand guilty as charged. I do not consider him a messiah...I DO question his lies and you can defend him all you want and critque me all you want but these are not comments I have made up. There is even a MESSIAHOBAMA website set up and THEY TAKE DONATIONS by the way !!!!

Am I bitter....you bet. Not because of the political party...Not because I am a big fan of Sen McCain....simply because ANYTHING BAD ABOUT THIS Sen Obama is considered racism or hate..he needs to answer to nobody !
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"This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."

-- Barack Obama


"This is bigger than Kennedy. . . . This is the New Testament." | "I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often. No, seriously. It's a dramatic event."

-- Chris Matthews




“I would characterize the Senate race as being a race where Obama was, let’s say, blessed and highly favored. That’s not routine. There’s something else going on. I think that Obama, his election to the Senate, was divinely ordered. . . . I know that that was God’s plan."

-- Bill Rush

__________________________________________________ _____-

Everything I have posted is FACT.....this is OPINION...

I think he believes all stuff !

Sorry if anyone thinks this is inappropriate as is speaking his full name. Tell me what is appropriate about criticizing this MAN !!!!!!

Bucco....I just wanted to thank you again for putting what seems to be a lot of time and effort into this post. You are a good person....who believes with your whole heart that Obama is not the right person for this presidency. That is what America is made of....people of many different beliefs. I just want to let you know that with out your posts, without the posts of a few others here on TOTV political....I may not have voted. I have learned a great deal from you and the others. Thank you for caring about this country so much and for fighting in what you believe.