I don't think I ever heard anybody say any war was a good idea!

A point often overlooked in this war like some others....does it not bother anybody that our commanders are not allowed to do what ever it takes to win?
If given that direction we would have had our troops home long ago. So as was so appropriately stated above...it ain't just Bush.....the Congress and Senate with the linguine spine, permissive pacifist, do not offend anybody outlook get more than their share of blame.

Ah, for the good old days of Patton and Truman.....WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTK :edit:

Right on Bille.

I'd rather try to educate folks about who Obama really is. There will be some who are close minded and some who really are searching for information so that they can make their own informed decision.

I wonder what some will do when Bush is out of office. Will they continue to disparage him. He's not that fascinating. I'll forget about him. He's history and as usual history will judge him several years in perspective.

Speaking of war, what really makes me laugh is McCain's statement during the republican debates, that we could of "won" Vietnam. Wouldn't that have been brilliant, extending that stupid war.

Dancer, winning would have been a lot more brilliant than fighting with our hands tied behind our backs, and leaving with our tails between our legs. It wasn't a high school fight. And fighting it to win would not have extended it, it probably would have shortened it.

Originally Posted by Livingston

Right on Bille.

I'd rather try to educate folks about who Obama really is. There will be some who are close minded and some who really are searching for information so that they can make their own informed decision.

I will certainly congratulate you if you can come up with who Obama really is. Exactly what is behind the suit, the smile and the calls for hope and change is the greatest mystery facing the American people since "Who shot JR?". Unfortunately, however, nobody following him really cares. They don't support his political positions, they are just his disciples, believing in him. His is without doubt one of the largest and so far most successful cults of personality to hit the American political scene. In some ways, it's scary as hell.

Then why didn't we fight to win and why aren't we fighting to win now? And what happened to Afghanistan? The raw truth is that war equals money to certain people in this country and leaves the middle and lower income people with empty pockets and sons & daughters to bury.

"Halliburton, the Texas company which has been awarded the Pentagon's contract to put out potential oilfield fires in Iraq and which is bidding for postwar construction contracts, is still making annual payments to its former chief executive, the vice-president Dick Cheney.
The payments, which appear on Mr Cheney's 2001 financial disclosure statement, are in the form of "deferred compensation" of up to $1m a year."

Afghanistan was a just war due to 9/11 that was left by the wayside for Iraq. Just a Daddy Do-Over. There is no defense for invading Iraq. It's that simple.

I agree that anytime troops are charges with winning....what ever it take...the encounter is shortened significantly.

The special interest groups in our culture...including for money....don't upset the apple cart...don't make some one mad...don't kill any civilians....don't disturb the ant farms....have completely emasculated the USA's ability to win.

Don't just parrot the media....ask a returning veteran from any of the encounters enumerated above. In some area they are not even allowed to carry their weapons loaded to avoid offending the peoples there. Then there are those silly rules of engagement...asking to load their weapons...then again if it's OK to engage....

No war was EVER won from behind a desk...in front of a camera...in front of a microphone...and certainly not won polling everybody to see what they think.

I venture to say, if the same activity that is going on in Iraq was going on in TV's back yard, the same nay sayers would be demanding bringing it to an abrupt stop....what ever it takes.....especially if it affected happy hour or a T time or a club meeting.

If you have not been there....in the military.....with your hands tied to defend, unable to win....YOU HAVE NO IDEA of the reality.

Permissive pacifism and political correctness is what we have tolerated and approved by the SILENT MAJORITY'S lack of action.

BTK :edit:

I agree with much of what you said, regarding fighting a legitimate war. However, many Americans think we should not be in Iraq at all, nor should we have invaded. We are not "defending" our country. Al Queda wasn't in Iraq until Bush invaded the country and started this war basically under the false pretenses of "weapons of mass destruction". All we've done is fan the flames of hostility and the existing tensions between the ethnic groups there. If we had spent a tenth of what we spent on the war itself, and applied it to security measures in our own country, we'd be a lot farther ahead

Lil Dancer: 100%

Emerging information on Obama's rapid ascent without considerable vetting and public scrutiny may give insight into what kind of president he would make.

Although he tried to unofficially change his name to Barry Obama, he couldn't shake Barack. The names Barack and Hussein are not African names, they are Muslim names.

In one of his books he acknowledged that one of his early mentors and advisers was Frank Marshall Davis. Davis is a known Communist directly subservient to the Soviet Union.

Barack's long time friend and minister is Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. He is a key supporter of Louis Farrakhan and recently honored the Nation of Islam leader for lifetime achievement.

Farrakhan has repeatedly made hate-filled statements targeting Jews, whites, America, and homosexuals. He has called whites “blue-eyed devils” and the “anti-Christ.” He has described Jews as “bloodsuckers” who control the government, the media, and some black organizations. Wright agrees and supports him.

Wright believes that the attacks of 9/11 were retribution for America’s racism. Just before Obama’s nationally televised campaign kickoff rally last Feb. 10, the candidate disinvited Wright from giving the public invocation. Wright explained: “When [Obama’s] enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli” to visit Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi with Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, “a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell.”

It seems strange to me how the media covered Romney's religion extensively but what have they disclosed about Obama's?

The Rezko(Antoin "Tony" Rezko, born 1955 in Aleppo, Syria) scandal is a time bomb for Obama. He is absolutely linked in a personal land deal with Rezko that could make him culpable for prosecution. Obama admitted to having used "bad judgement" and called his involvement with Rezko “a boneheaded mistake.” Rezko is currently under indictment for bribery and corruption. The land deal with Barack allowed the Obama's to purchase a home for $300,000 under market value with Mrs. Rezko purchasing part of the property. Rezko has also contributed six digit figures to Obama.

Barack Obama has publicly asserted that he doesn't wear an American flag in his lapel because it is just a symbol and doesn't translate to action. This same man is happy to wear and be photographed in what has been labeled by Hilliary's staffers, "Muslim garb" and turban that evokes under any circumstance, Muslim symbolism.

Obama is educated, articulate and charismatic. He has also been officially cited as the most liberal member of Congress. I believe his presidency would further exacerbate the growing acrimony between the classes. He will attempt to govern from the left but circumstance and blue dog democratics will force him to the center to get anything accomplished. His presidency will be unremarkable and will go very much the way of Jimmy Carter's one term tenure. Just my opinion.

Some quotes above were cut and pasted directly from articles online to preserve accuracy.