WOW. I am a conservative when it comes to money, but my right wing friends here are sounding like the city and church leaders during the Salem Witch trials.

Yes Obama is too liberal with our tax dollars and needs to be rained in, but that is a far cry from being Satin. Please think before you buy into everything just because it is against Obama.

WHEN YOU GO SO FAR OUT INTO SPACE NO ONE CAN SEE YOUR POINT ANYMORE AND YOU LOOK LIKE A NUT.

Do yourself a favor and stop watching FOX and MS NBC for a little while and for goodness sakes, stop going to these paranoid web sites for your political information. ggggeeeezzzzz.

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/overwhelm.asp
This is VERY important please read twice and think about it and send to all of your friends that care about our country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If he is re-elected in 2012, the US is finished. The following is in simple language that
everyone can understand. Not the gibberish that our government keeps telling
people. Please read this carefully and make sure you keep this message going.
This needs to be emailed to everyone in the USA ..
OBAMA'S COLLEGE CLASSMATE SPEAKS OUT

By Wayne Allyn Root , June 6th, 2010
Barack Hussien Obama is no fool. He is not incompetent.
To the contrary, he is brilliant. He knows exactly what he's doing.
He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure,
economic crisis and social chaos -- thereby destroying capitalism and
our country from within.
Barack Hussien Obama was my college classmate

( Columbia University , class of '83).
He is a devout Muslim do not be fooled.
Look at his Czars...anti-business..anti- american.
As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Barack Hussien Obama is
following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University ..
They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system
with government spending and entitlement demands.
Add up the clues below. Taken individually they're alarming. Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival ... and can be counted on to always vote for bigger government.
Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.
Universal health care . The health care bill had very little to do with health care. It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions).
Obama doesn't care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt.
What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government . Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression?
Cap and trade. Like health care legislation having nothing to do with health care, cap and trade has nothing to do with global warming.
It has everything to do with redistribution of income, government control of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obama's biggest contributors. Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors (like GE, which owns NBC, MSNBC and CNBC) can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants.
They will kick-back hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to Obama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power. The bonus is that all the new taxes on Americans with bigger cars, bigger homes and businesses helps Obama "spread the wealth around."
Make Puerto Rico a state. Why? Who's asking for a 51st state? Who's asking for millions of new welfare recipients and government entitlement addicts in the middle of a depression?
Certainly not American taxpayers. But this has been Barack Hussien Obama's plan all along.
His goal is to add two new Democrat senators, five Democrat congressman and a million loyal Democratic voters who are dependent on big government.
Legalize 12 million illegal Mexican immigrants.
Just giving these 12 million potential new citizens free health care alone could overwhelm the system and bankrupt America . But it adds 12 million reliable new Democrat voters who can be counted on to support big government. Add another few trillion dollars in welfare, aid to dependent children, food stamps, free medical, education, tax credits for the poor, and eventually Social Security .
Stimulus and bailouts. Where did all that money go?
It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions -- including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country. It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could keep paying union dues.
It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out (after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions).
A staggering $125 billion went to teachers (thereby protecting their union dues). All those public employees will vote loyally Democrat to protect their bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America .
The country goes broke, future generations face a bleak future, but Obama, the Democrat Party, government, and the unions grow more powerful.
The ends justify the means.
Raise taxes on small business owners, high-income earners, and job creators. Put the entire burden on only the top 20 percent of taxpayers, redistribute the income, punish success, and reward those who did nothing to deserve it (except vote for Obama).
Reagan wanted to dramatically cut taxes in order to starve the government. Barack Obama wants to dramatically raise taxes to starve his political opposition. With the acts outlined above, Barack Hussien Obama and his regime have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying capitalism and installing themselves as socialist rulers by overwhelming the system.
Add it up and you've got the perfect Marxist scheme -- all devised by my Columbia University college classmate Barack Hussien Obama using the Cloward and Piven Plan ..
"Correctly attributed" says snopes!
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/overwhelm.asp

There are so many lies to this I can't even begin to comment from the first part regarding his being a Muslim (he is not, and who cares if he is) to his wanting to "raise" taxes (he wants to cut loopholes for the rich who don't pay taxes), that it would take too long to respond.

I will say that all snopes states is that it's "correctly attributed"... DUH! It's an opinion and that's all it is. This is not fact based.

PLEASE if you are going to post political... make it fact based so I can learn something.

Originally Posted by angiefox10

There are so many lies to this I can't even begin to comment from the first part regarding his being a Muslim (he is not, and who cares if he is) to his wanting to "raise" taxes (he wants to cut loopholes for the rich who don't pay taxes), that it would take too long to respond.

I will say that all snopes states is that it's "correctly attributed"... DUH! It's an opinion and that's all it is. This is not fact based.

PLEASE if you are going to post political... make it fact based so I can learn something.

You have the audacity to make such glib and fabricated statements. The rich don't pay taxes? Where did you learn that?

You want facts:
The latest data show that a big portion of the federal income tax burden is shouldered by a small group of the very richest Americans. The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 per*cent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent—those below the median income level—now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes. These are proportions of the income tax alone and don’t include payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare.

http://www.american.com/archive/2007...pays-the-taxes

Please, if you are going to post in Political ..know your facts before posting.

Originally Posted by bobboberton

Hilarious.

The real question should be... When do conservative NOT use stereotypes when it comes to spreading hate or denying other American citizens rights? I mean, why let a simple unimportant thing like actual facts get in the way of progress, acceptance, and equality.

I remember a time, tens years a go, when the conservatives were screaming that anyone who didn't support our President was a traitor and "un-American". People were told that even if they didn't agree with his views we should support him to show solidarity to the rest of the world. Hmmmm amazing how things can change when the shoe is on the other foot eh?

People should at least have the cajones to admit that they would never support him simply because he is black. But all we hear is he's spending all America's money. You mean we actually HAD some money after dubya left office?!?!?! Yeah. Billions spent denying Americans decent schools, affordable healthcare, and housing but instead gives billions to other countries (especially the ones they destroyed) so that THEIR citizens can have those things.

I don't get it. The generations who have seen and lived through some of the toughest times in our short history will now go out of their way to make sure that not one single other American gets help. And you want to call Obama supporters unpatriotic? Hey pot? You met kettle?

Sad.

This truly needed to be said and you said it very well.

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

You have the audacity to make such glib and fabricated statements. The rich don't pay taxes? Where did you learn that?

You want facts:
The latest data show that a big portion of the federal income tax burden is shouldered by a small group of the very richest Americans. The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 per*cent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent—those below the median income level—now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes. These are proportions of the income tax alone and don’t include payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare.

http://www.american.com/archive/2007...pays-the-taxes

Please, if you are going to post in Political ..know your facts before posting.

The audacity I have is that I was part owner in a Tax Business for over 30 years.... Thank you.

Also....

http://www.factcheck.org/here_we_go_...rates_tax.html

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article...the-super-rich

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/op...&smid=fb-share


You see... I'm not trying to be mean spirited here... I truly don't get it. When I see the super rich saying they aren't paying their fair share and I am truly aware of the "loop holes" so they don't have to pay the taxes I wonder why people like you would respond the way you did. You are correct... They DO pay taxes... Just not their fair share.

Whey don't we have a flat tax? Then there would be NO questions about it or argument. Now... That seems fair... Doesn't it to you as well?

Wait.. .I take that back.. There are corporations that are not paying taxes....

Originally Posted by bobboberton

Hilarious.

The real question should be... When do conservative NOT use stereotypes when it comes to spreading hate or denying other American citizens rights? I mean, why let a simple unimportant thing like actual facts get in the way of progress, acceptance, and equality.

I remember a time, tens years a go, when the conservatives were screaming that anyone who didn't support our President was a traitor and "un-American". People were told that even if they didn't agree with his views we should support him to show solidarity to the rest of the world. Hmmmm amazing how things can change when the shoe is on the other foot eh?

People should at least have the cajones to admit that they would never support him simply because he is black. But all we hear is he's spending all America's money. You mean we actually HAD some money after dubya left office?!?!?! Yeah. Billions spent denying Americans decent schools, affordable healthcare, and housing but instead gives billions to other countries (especially the ones they destroyed) so that THEIR citizens can have those things.

I don't get it. The generations who have seen and lived through some of the toughest times in our short history will now go out of their way to make sure that not one single other American gets help. And you want to call Obama supporters unpatriotic? Hey pot? You met kettle?

Sad.

There they go again, void of new ideas and a failed presidency, they always play the old and tired race card.
I guess the hatred of Bush by the left was legitimate because he is white?

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

There they go again, void of new ideas and a failed presidency, they always play the old and tired race card.
I guess the hatred of Bush by the left was legitimate because he is white?

As for me... I didn't hate Bush I didn't like some of his policies and the same goes for Obama I also don't like some of his policies.

Can we hold our politicians feet to the fire regardless of if they are a Dem or Rep? I like a lot of things they have both done and don't like many things they have done.... I refuse to be a "party" person!!! I'm in it for ME and my Children.

If we don't.... This will only get worse.

Originally Posted by angiefox10

The audacity I have is that I was part owner in a Tax Business for over 30 years.... Thank you.

Also....

http://www.factcheck.org/here_we_go_...rates_tax.html

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article...the-super-rich

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/op...&smid=fb-share


You see... I'm not trying to be mean spirited here... I truly don't get it. When I see the super rich saying they aren't paying their fair share and I am truly aware of the "loop holes" so they don't have to pay the taxes I wonder why people like you would respond the way you did. You are correct... They DO pay taxes... Just not their fair share.

Whey don't we have a flat tax? Then there would be NO questions about it or argument. Now... That seems fair... Doesn't it to you as well?

Wait.. .I take that back.. There are corporations that are not paying taxes....

Did you read the link I gave you? 50% of our population only pay 3% of all taxes. If there was no "rich" people, who would pay the taxes? Having a family business in the past,(manufacturing) I can see what the counterproductive laws have done to small business. Obama and his ilk call anybody who makes $250,000 a year rich. I can tell you that after they pay their employees and their benefits, plus try to expand their business, they hardly have any monies left. Most small businesses have to borrow from the banks to meet their payroll and attempt expansion.
Because of this anti-buiness regime, most businesses are playing the waiting game. They are waiting for the dust to settle on Obamacare, Cap and Trade and other anti-growth expenditures. I have talked to business owners who will not hire until Obama is driven from office at the ballot boxes.

By the way, you need to get more balanced links then the propaganda sheets you posted.

People covering their ears and putting on a blindfold and voting straight party line is why we are IN this mess. I've seen/known too many people who will not vote outside their party. Both parties operate and maneuver exactly the same way, with the same tactics.

They are in it for power and re-election to power and they couldn't care less about you and me and our kids we raised to be NOT government dependents, but working, self-supporting, independent citizens. We and our kids are being used, period.

The role our kids have been set up for by Washington is tax slave.....to pay for the growing number of government dependents.

"When everyone climbs up to ride on the wagon, who will pull it?" This question is never in the equation in Washington.

Originally Posted by ilovetv

People covering their ears and putting on a blindfold and voting straight party line is why we are IN this mess. I've seen/known too many people who will not vote outside their party. Both parties operate and maneuver exactly the same way, with the same tactics.

They are in it for power and re-election to power and they couldn't care less about you and me and our kids we raised to be NOT government dependents, but working, self-supporting, independent citizens. We and our kids are being used, period.

The role our kids have been set up for by Washington is tax slave.....to pay for the growing number of government dependents.

"When everyone climbs up to ride on the wagon, who will pull it?" This question is never in the equation in Washington.

We really need to be looking at where they stand on the issues... Not just what they are saying, but how did they vote and make them accountable.


I am SOOO not a party person and getting less so EVERY day!!! It's about ME now.. and my children!!!

Originally Posted by ilovetv

People covering their ears and putting on a blindfold and voting straight party line is why we are IN this mess. I've seen/known too many people who will not vote outside their party. Both parties operate and maneuver exactly the same way, with the same tactics.

They are in it for power and re-election to power and they couldn't care less about you and me and our kids we raised to be NOT government dependents, but working, self-supporting, independent citizens. We and our kids are being used, period.

The role our kids have been set up for by Washington is tax slave.....to pay for the growing number of government dependents.

"When everyone climbs up to ride on the wagon, who will pull it?" This question is never in the equation in Washington.

Exactly, parties give handouts for votes. If you are given free food stamps and insurance, who you going to vote for? Who will pull the wagon when the "rich folk" take their money to other countries because they are sick and tired of all the pulling?

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

Did you read the link I gave you? 50% of our population only pay 3% of all taxes. If there was no "rich" people, who would pay the taxes? Having a family business in the past,(manufacturing) I can see what the counterproductive laws have done to small business. Obama and his ilk call anybody who makes $250,000 a year rich. I can tell you that after they pay their employees and their benefits, plus try to expand their business, they hardly have any monies left. Most small businesses have to borrow from the banks to meet their payroll and attempt expansion.
Because of this anti-buiness regime, most businesses are playing the waiting game. They are waiting for the dust to settle on Obamacare, Cap and Trade and other anti-growth expenditures. I have talked to business owners who will not hire until Obama is driven from office at the ballot boxes.

By the way, you need to get more balanced links then the propaganda sheets you posted.

If you continue with the mean spirited comments...I will not respond to you. "By the way, you need to get more balanced links then the propaganda sheets you posted." Attacking people that you "think" have a different view, will not get them to listen to you.

I agree with you that $250 is NOT rich and I also agree with you that the small businesses should not be targeted with more taxes. I'm talking about the large corporations that are moving jobs out of the country and not paying their fair share of the taxes. Because of the big businesses... the mom and pop stores are going away. But that's another topic.

As to the links, I was looking for fact based links and not so much blogs. I can find "blogs" all day that will support my point and that means nothing to me.

If you would stop attacking me, you might find that we could just agree on more then you might think!!! I'm not a "Party" person.

Again... If you continue to attack me, I will block you from my view and then I CAN'T learn from you when you disagree.

Originally Posted by angiefox10

There are so many lies to this I can't even begin to comment from the first part regarding his being a Muslim (he is not, and who cares if he is) to his wanting to "raise" taxes (he wants to cut loopholes for the rich who don't pay taxes), that it would take too long to respond.

I will say that all snopes states is that it's "correctly attributed"... DUH! It's an opinion and that's all it is. This is not fact based.

PLEASE if you are going to post political... make it fact based so I can learn something.

I do not want to play tit for tat. but the first punch was not instituted by me. Political can be a harsh playground. Nobody has really attacked anybody here. I have been called an idiot, moron etc.
Stick around and see what a real attack is.
Thankfully, the new owners here. ADMIN, is doing an excellent job of weeding out the posts that are against the rules.

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

I do not want to play tit for tat. but the first punch was not instituted by me. Political can be a harsh playground. Nobody has really attacked anybody here. I have been called an idiot, moron etc.
Stick around and see what a real attack is.
Thankfully, the new owners here. ADMIN, is doing an excellent job of weeding out the posts that are against the rules.

Ah yes.... but I was speaking to a post... Not to the poster or to you... I would not call you any of those things. We all come from our own backgrounds.

As to a previous post on this thread of yours.. Yes you again are correct. When I was young and was left by my husband pregnant with twins.... I needed those "free hand outs" and yes I see a need for them. My ex had money and the ability to hire an attorney so that he never had to pay child care. So... I am for those programs. Because of them, I was able to get a good job with a major corporation and in fact pay back more then I EVER received.

That being said... I would vote for them.

Are they being taken advantage of... You bet!!! I would think we would find a way to stop the scammers and promote getting off the programs instead of doing away with them. And BTW...It is VERY hard to get off of them, even when you want to. They don't make it easy!

As to the attacks... Maybe you are just used to being attacked and felt that's what I was doing? As to political forums... this isn't my first rodeo....

Originally Posted by harbor53

I have been told that Obama has placed ring-tailed genital devouring fruit bats in the garages of every real Christian. It's part of a Muslim plot to kill off our kind. Don't let them get away with it!

Tell the Washington elites to keep their rodents off our privates

Rise up Patriots! Rise up!

Please spread this message using our best weapon --- cut/paste. Let everyone know that Obama is ripping out the core of our very being!

Don't let the elitists silence your voice!

Your comments are cracking me up!!! carry on....